God on Trial

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!


A few weeks back i spent some time with an Ex Exclusive Brethren brother on mine who still calls himself a Christian. And i specially make a point of saying, still calls himself Christian for a number of reasons .Some reasons of which left me feeling only such extreme sadness,sadness that i actually hinted at in a post about a week or two back, but caused me so much extreme pain i still am not yet even ready to actually discuss what happened.But thats another whole story.Besides who said ? faith was supposed to be connected to things that actually make people honestly feel happiness.

But anyway while with my brother i mentioned that if the bible honestly contains honest holy word of God ,then holy word of God is also connected to happiness of dashing live babies against rocks .My very surprised and rather startled brother exclaimed ! but where does the bible talk about that ?? .

It didnt surprise me my brother was totally blissfully ignorant with regards to existence of these verses, even though he personally has spent about 50 years visiting Christian churches, sometimes even visiting them 7 days a week .No not at all .The ignorance among so many faithful folk doesn’t really surprise me at all so much anymore .Faith isn’t really about questioning matters and always keeping your mind fully open and observant . No ..faith is far more about continuing on with cultural traditions and endlessly reciting memes over and over again , and nodding your wee head ! , kind of like one of those wee little toy doggies some people have sitting up behind the back seat in their cars, that just continually nod with each and every bump in the road ,without the doggy having a brain thats even thinking . Its the faith nod …Ahh laa Automatic

So it’s not surprising folks of faith might actually read each and every word with their own eyes time and time again , like a wee toy car doggy , continually passing over the very same bumps in the road , but because as science has already proven human devotion to a charismatic belief can have an effect of shutting down certain parts of a devoted brain , the parts called the prefrontal and anterior cingulate cortices that’s usually in normal conditions supposed to be responsible for our scepticism and vigilance http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/03/hearing-prayer-shuts.html , then a toy doggie with a very devoted brain-dead brain , aint really bothering thinking much anymore , it’s just totally devoted and as such , continually nodding its wee beany ! . It reads all the bumps with its own eyes ,but aint really ever even really thinking about what those bumpy faith words mean.

This brain-dead effect of charismatic devotion can even effect secular folk when devoted to voting for certain politicians who`s only honest charm is maybe only possessing loads of charisma .Or sometimes the phenomena of continuing badly abusive relationships, where one partner is a real abusive two timing no good scum bag , but yet happens to hold loads of charisma meaning the abused devoted partner still doesnt ever even think to leave . Parts of the brain have sadly become shut down ,by their faithful belief of devotion to charisma

So faiths are naturally full of this type devotion to charisma ,where many people get so carried away .Simply because faiths are so very often ! full of charisma thats why.Often it takes a very huge crisis to help start people down that extremely unfamiliar road they dont often tread, to thinking far more deeply ,which is what also starts to happen within the likes of Exclusive Brethren or Renton Brethren , in times when maybe for instance some problems within their faith group get pushed further and further out into public view !. Just as also happens within the Catholic church when sex abuse was exposed ,the charismatically devoted brains brainwaves ! get suddenly jolted and shocked ! and subjected to an extra high load of electrical brain currents , which then creates much more honest food for thought !  , that then suddenly breaks through the brain block of the charismatic devotion . Ending up in higher amounts of vigilance and  greater depth of far more honesty in contemplation of thought also.

Thanks to another H.T from my friend John over on his excellent blog DC  …..Here is a great you-tube video that i think dramatically explains how sometime it takes an extreme crisis to help break through the mind blockage of faithful devotion to very charismatic beliefs .Which then pushes humans to start using all parts of their brain again ,so as to start them down the road to begin thinking and considering all aspects in a far greater depth, depth of thought about that what should have honestly been either believed or disbelieved.

Human should not live by faith . And the very extreme grave danger of promotion of such ways of living, has been proven time and time again by human history , and is still being proven today by the effects we deal with, that have also ended with many of our friends and family being held spiritually captive, within both the Renton and Exclusive Brethren , plus those many others also held captive within so very many other faith groups.

For there is actually a price we must all need to pay for continually promoting that what will continually cause us harm at some stage.For faith is like humans smoking cigarettes ,while it doesn’t actually cause harm to all smokers ,that still does very very little to actually help prove its honestly a good thing .

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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3 Responses to God on Trial

  1. Paul Darroch says:

    I struggle as you do brother to communicate just what God ( I believe him know him and trust him) is on about and I really do love. I LOVE IT! the verse you quote because better than anything I could have said you have expressed just what I and my sons who are not currently in the faith- struggle with. Thankyou!
    In heaven so John tells us they are singing The Song of the Lamb and the Song of Moses. Now there is an obscure valley in an ends of the earth location (Motueka Valley) where two shepherds (Deck and Salisbury) began our New Zealand version of our religion. And yes one of those men sung the Song of the Lamb.
    The song of Moses is currently as I see it not understood nor sung as yet. The closest anyone is getting to that is the deep and meaningful once a year reciting of the Song of Lamentations in synagogues. Deep and meaningful because there are still old people alive who in Europe emerged out of the forests where they had been hiding or even more extraordinarily out of Death Camps where they had avoided ‘the ultimate solution’ ( A matter which makes us Think- read IBM and the Holocaust Edwin Brown 2001)
    What kind of God is that!!!!!!!!
    Darby is in my view having read Chinese history of the past century- FALSE. Theologically he is a hyper Calvinist. In other words his view is that elite are chosen by God sit around and then before anything bad can happen go direct to Heaven. A wonderful blessed hope! (Colorado Springs is due to be nuked so maybe…)
    A view contradicted by God’s treatment of the Jews in Europe. Where God went fishing for them and then hunted them down using the IBM tech.( Jeremiah 16:16)
    In my blog paul-whatishappening.blogspot.com I am then struggling with the Chi Hao Tian speech where the Chinese military have been working on the question of how to kill 100 million or so people in USA. So the underlying -illogic, of this sort of thing as it has happened with tens of millions dying in Europe from the mid 30s to mid 40s and even greater death tolls now that the earth is just so seriously over populated.
    In other words- and your verse hits it on the nail, God has not changed despite all the wonderful false teaching these days, rather we have missed judged God about one thing which an Exclusive Brethren upbringing gives a person. A dis trust of image, pictures etc worship. The trash idolatry which in the Second Command and Song of Moses makes God very angry and prone to suddenly severe judgement.
    Which is why my message as much to myself and to you is Relax! Clearly at this time lacking a coherent faith in God never the less your head and heart still work well. And as such the adventure you are now undertaking is extremely valuable and important. I will end with St Paul. Here we have the most highly trained Jerusalem based Rabbi well on his way to the top of the Jewish religion. The Wham Bam God Zaps him so that he is down in the dust. Over the next few years in Arabia of all places (same place where God worked for 40 years on a similar sized intellect- Moses) he reworks everything thing he has studied and puts it into a new format. Like the verse you just quoted, it has not changed, rather our understanding of them has/will. And just after St Paul dies the largest and most traumatic thing which has ever happened to the Jewish religion takes place- AD70. Thus now on the very eve of the Destruction of USA and other significant cultural shifts are under way; I, you, others are under God’s oversight thinking, looking, seeing things, reconsidering everything, because if we don’t simply our people face extinction. Within sight of Our Black Bridge meeting hall in Auckland is Hamlins Hill objective number one of a Chinese invasion of our defenseless nation. When I understood what Chi Hao Tian has said, we are top of any Chinese extermination list. So I took my December 05 Investigate Magazine to the house of the first elder of Millar Road and with an open letter attached holding our brothers responsible if our community is the first to be slaughtered in a post USA occupation of our nation by China for ‘living space’. In that context your verse makes sense!

  2. ExEB says:

    Howdy Paul.Hope you had a great week.

    To be honest ,personally i no longer ever struggle with understanding of any of these verses anymore.I now see them for exactly ! what i know they are.They are thoughts of the fraudulent faith promoters of ancient times ,that fully expose their nasty abusive thoughtless ignorant traits . Just like the same faithful type folk often still do today .It dont matter whether they are faithful EB ,EX Eb ,Renton or Baptist ,Open Brethren or Catholic or Muslim or of any other faith.

    The more strictly faithful they are ,the more fraudulent and nasty they always be .They talk love with their “words” , yet act like right nasty thoughtless ignorant arse-holes , unless you are fully prepared to forever crawl right up their faith-butt . And recite their faith meme`s along with them , acting like a good little sweet faithful cockatoo .

    No Paul i dont struggle with none of these bible verses any more.I only need to study folks of faith around me in this world today , and i soon see the very same type of nasty thoughtless uncaring faith-trait of people who i know i could then very easily see! also involed in thinking and saying such terrible things also.And i know these ancient bible verses are simply the nasty uncaring thoughts of faithful men of ancient times Paul . Nothing more , nothing less.

    We face extinction unless we expose the nastiness of faith ,to the youth of today .Thankfully there is still some hope because the youth of today are actually starting to see what utter bullcrap faith is .The youth of today see these nasty faith bigots who have persecuted and divided many people in this world for thousands of years and threatend people with some unproven place they called hell ,and the youth are not silly braindead devoted believers of charisma .No the youth see these people and their faith for exactly what they are ,deceitful frauds that “speak words of love” yet have actions like nasty scum ! .

    Paul the youth of today. are no longer fooled by mere faith meme`s and worthless words .And they are starting to leave faith in droves

    And i thnik thats truly a very good thing .

    One day people like myself will never need to be cursed with being born to faith groups .Will never need to feel like they need to become arse licking faith parrots ,or risk being ostracized and mistreated do to lack of faith.

    The prophesy in holy books are all wrong Paul ,faith belief is not being persecuted .Faith is being found out to have “been the persecutor” for thousands of years now , and as such the youth of today are finally seeing right through all the utter bullshit .

    The EB would like to feel persecuted ,yet all that is happening today is humanity is finally catching up on their nasty tactics! of persecution ! of anyone they dont like and choose to excommunicate. ….These people cannot be completely honest ,and try claiming any persecution ….Any claims of persecution from the EB is deceitfully fruadulent

    Other faith groups have no right to claim persecution , simply because agnostic atheists like me expose them for exactly whom they are ……These groups of faithful folks have ALL been persecuting people for thousands of years now ! , by using threats of hell and damnation ,and suggestions of eternal tormant for any who would ever dare disagree with them …. Threats that have been backed up by the nastiness of shunning and methods of ostracization from the group , for any who wont parrot and tow the line of their faith demands

    How could these nasty people of faith ever be honest and try claiming persecution ? , Paul …… Should society be continually forced into accepting such nasty bad behaviour as these people of faith have been promoting for thousands of years now , or fear being accused of being the persecutors ?.

    Sheeze with that type of ignorant utterly stupid ! faith mentality , murderes could even almost also all try claiming our courts systems are simply persecuting the murderers for their faithful belief in murdering people . Be little different than people of faith fraudulently trying to claim being persecuted , when it is the people of faith whom have been ostracizing and persecuting and threatening people with threats of hell and eternal damnation for thousands of years now.

    Paul those ancient men of faith who called themselves prophets , are absolutely no different from the ignorant faithful fools today , like Bruce Hales who dreams about he is being persucuted for his nasty actions .

    Why did the prophets forsee that some day people whould likely rise up against the faith ,like we see happening ? .

    That answer is very easy Paul . Its simply like a murderer knows he has been nasty , and so fully expects that some day! somebody is very likely going to to get sick to death of his nastiness.

    Now that murderer doesnt need to be any prophet to understand this is likely to happen in the future .Its just use of some simply common sense .

    Sadly devotion to a charismatic faith ,tends to shut down parts of the human brain called the prefrontal and anterior cingulate cortices , that’s usually in normal conditions supposed to be responsible for our scepticism and vigilance http://www.boingboing.net/2010/05/03/hearing-prayer-shuts.html

    Most kids at kindy would even understand treating people badly ,will very likely bring about some repercussions someday ….These children dont need to become prophets to be able to understand this and foresee what will very likely happen in future.

    Paul think about the people that wrote these faith books .They lived in times when people of faith stoned people to death .Believed in taking an eye for an eye . Believed a man should own and dominate the women .Even thought it was fair to offer up their own daughter for sexual pleasure of a group of men ,if it could save another man from being raped by this group.

    These are the type of ignorant nasty cavemen type people that were involved in writing these ancient holy books Paul .Ancient faith barbarians ,back in barbaric times ! when some folks even got nailed to a cross as a form of punishment and fear tactic.

    Now what HONEST reason should i still feel need to struggle ? with understanding these nasty things we do see written within this bible.

    I fully understand the reason why .These were nasty ancient faith barbarians .

    However you are still welcome to believe differently Paul …. Im just stating that this is my own personal honest opinion .

  3. ExEB says:

    Paul basically what im saying is this .

    If i didnt see these nasty type things written within the holy bible .I would then have some real reason to considder it might possibly be very special and holy .Because it would then be a very caring and kind book ,written back in the ancient times when faith barbarians tried to rule .

    That would suggest to me that yes , something is HONESTLY extra special about this book called the bible .

    But we dont see that at all .We see a book riddled with barbaric thoughts , that was written back in the ancient times when barbarians ruled .

    Hense why it suggests to me this book tells us it is nothing special .It tells us it is merely thoughts of some nasty vindictive ancient barbarians who tried passing themselves off as being prophets , just like Bruce Hales and Benny Hinn and many other “men of faith” still try doing so also do today.

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