Family Life in the Garden of Eden

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About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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6 Responses to Family Life in the Garden of Eden

  1. Paul Darroch says:

    I do as Adam did love this story. In fact if you read Adam’s signed testimony he uses that as his sign off Title (Genesis 2:5-5:2) Toldoth ‘he created them male and female blessed them Adam.
    In Arabic I found 23 root/families of words related to this sex/covenant concept. While a typical word play is found (Job 31:1) Ayin- Eyes, spring of water; where Rebecca is found at the spring, but then the same word is when Isaac and Rebecca see each other-BAM!
    My “Dynamic Tawhid” concept to replace the outmoded Christian Trinity rests on the ultimate definitions of covenant/marriage given by Adam and Jesus (Matthew 19)

    • ExEB says:

      Thats interesting Paul .Its become very obvious you read alot and even understand some Arabic ? …Im truly impressed.Im afraid i havent read as much as i most likely should .And when i do read i find its science i find interesting.

      I think this comic was sort of pointing to that if life started with the creation of just one couple Adam and Eve then it was sort of something like a whole line of a type of incest going on. I mean what happened did Adam and Eves children marry too ? . And then what cousins bred with cousins ?. Besides when this happens usually it will lead to troubles with inter-breeding .So how come humans never evolved with to many inter-breeding problems .

      Where as if life sprang up out of countless nonillions of organic compounds in an energetic aqueous environment in a type of primordial soup .Then life would not have been so likely to have evolved in an incestuous type situation right ? .Because so very many cells or whatever could have formed at once creating a situation where interbreeding was less likely.

      Now i know this is not your faith Paul .And im not here trying to convert anyone to anything .Im merely pointing out some aspects.

  2. Paul Darroch says:

    We insult our father God by seeing Adam and Eve as being anything than perfect creation of the human specie, who unlike the problems we all know about in our EB line of too many cousins intermarrying… Yes we do have some problems….!!!!
    But the other thing you can see from my comment is that I have established a new Brethren Religion. For the Open (Bethsada Dispute) German Pastor Muller was wrong! While attempting to create his Catholic (A latin word meaning ‘correct’ as in Correct Teaching) Religion Darby was Totally Wrong and every Elect Vessel since stand on Judgement Day to answer for the damage they have done. (Of a Brethren ideal found in Suni Islam- hence my God’s special work with the Arabic language which I pioneered for us here in Mangere. The sign I give in quranweshouldknow. is both the Brethren school and Islamic schools working together to educate our children or in my case now grandchildren)
    Bush Brethren- Deuteronomy 33:16 Darby Translation -are those of us who for any reason have joined with Christ -Hebrews 13:13 in being cast out of the community, like our ancestor Joseph knowing what it is to live among foreigners, discovering (As you are my dear brother -all the strange cultural things people do and think) But then unlike Muller’s Open or Darby’s Exclusive Elders We Never Judge A Mans Ideas rather only judge sin. My comment then blows Christian circuit breakers because like Bartleman AZUSA St revival I reject the Trinity Doctrine, but more importantly in the 1830 English Revival I stand with my arm around the Cast Out Edward Irving in having a new view of Christ and his humanity (Which I picked up in Islam) and thus Dynamic Tawhid is firstly an /IslamicJewish Doctrine which correctly says that Christianity as a religion has got it wrong! (Hence our need to be Bush Brethren)
    Our Brethren founders were looking for the New Testament church. In the Hans Weir Arabic Dictionary ( And the day I found one of the most important Syrian Arabic words- the Islamic word for the time of Evening Prayer which has the Syrian Christian meaning of the Sacred Communion Meal, our Favona Road EB plumber was in the same room fixing the sink- so this is a sign) I quickly discovered vital clues of what the New Testament Church believed in the words they have left us as Jesus spoke an Arabic dialect and St Paul’s Cross/Stratos gospel is still held untaught; in Arabic; But as an apostle I am now for us Bush Brethren uncovering a much deeper and more ancient foundation (Isaiah 58:12)
    Finally getting back to the Incest picture which you began these thoughts with. Here in Favona Mangere and around the Mangere Mountain, our survivability as a Brethren Community is in doubt. In the Torah Leviticus 18 is a special Mangere warning. On my own land and especially down the road at the Shelving Depot Property there is archeological evidence of Cannibalism of the former people who lived here before us and the land has indeed as the Torah says spewed them out. Adam and Eve were spewed out of the special land God had planted for them, so this warning is to all of us as their descendants. Will the Chinese invade and as a few wise flee and they slaughter rest of us using the special techniques the PLA knows?. We as a Brethren community Open, Exclusive, Bush- need to publicly confess any incest sins; Who cares what doctrines/ideas we may have! The Torah judged Adam and Eve, it will as well see the end of us! (Sorry to give you an ear full but that is the sermon I would preach to any Mangere church, and I was practicing it yesterday 2.12.2010)

    • ExEB says:

      Hi Paul ….I understand as a believer you will think differently…So i fully understand that ….But speaking (for myself) im saying first off “personally” i dont even see any reason at all to actually believe any God exists . And im saying for the Adam and Eve story to be true ,there is no other way around it other than to admit it suggests incest.God could not have created only (one couple) called Adam and Eve with which the whole population would then grow from ,without humans evolving out of a situation of incest .Simply because the offspring of Adam and Eve would have had to have also procreated later to carry on with building our population growth.

      In (my opinion) it is this type of thing that exposes these bible storys for being that what they actually are …. Fictional Stories ….Stories written by ancient men who obviously still didnt even yet understand the full outcomes of inter breeding …. I suggest this tell us there was some large fibs being told by somebody right from the start of the bible.We dont interbreed today because it causes us problems , this means any God that did actually exist being all-knowing , would already be fully aware of this problem …. These things just dont add up under scrutiny

  3. Paul Darroch says:

    I had an amazing experience this afternoon. Living in Mangere we see but rarely do we meet and talk to our EB people. But this afternoon I was down at the turning circle of the old Mangere Bridge where we are putting concrete structure for the cycleway which will go under our newly completed bridge.
    And who should turn up but one of our local EB elders and his wife and after chatting about the volcanic under structural problems we encountered in building our things, I said that he who have heard of me and gave him my name, then we shared together our intimate understanding of Deuteronomy 33:16-17 Darby version; I explained that I was ‘Bush Brethren’ and my EB elder quoted the phrase found alone in Darby’s translation. “Separated from his Brethren”. Wow we achieved a working unity! God is good- as he then asked me “But do you love the Lord” to which I replied I do!
    Brother, help is on the way!
    We Bush Brethren Separated from our other Open Brethren (because we don’t have correct doctrine that they think we should have) and our Exclusive Brothers, God has seen us in the Bush!
    Will the Bush now burst into flames and we then go off to do snake handling in the presence of Kings ? God knows but rejoice , heaven rejoices something happened today down at Mangere Bridges. Thank you for your prayers for both of us. ex EB and Bush Brethren. (our confused ideas you no doubt read with concern)

    • ExEB says:

      Im picking everything you said to this bloke. would have likely gone in one ear and straight out the other, without even touching a brain cell in the slightest along the way.

      Mind you , im not suggesting you are not welcome to believe differently Paul.

      But nueroscience tests all seem to conclude that brains that are devoted to charismatic beliefs,are not always really that responsive . And thinking about what ive experienced with most folks of faith , i`d really have to agree . Devotion to a charismatic faith causes extreme thoughtlessness.

      This phenomena doesnt effect the abusive cults only .No it effects folks of charismaitc faiths in general .

      This play a big part in why these abusive cults continue to have the right to keep abusing and destroying people lives ….All folks of faith who have become devoted to charismatic figures such as Jesus or Mohammad , brains have become so shut down making them faithfully “thoughtless” , they simply no longer even care to take action to do anything to stop the abuse that continues onward . (folks lucky to be born into the less abusive faiths do nothing about the abuse either)

      The less devoted a person is ,the more “thoughtful” they become . Which is also why far more hope exists that the worldwide onset of atheism holds the best hope there is , to ever see some honest action happening to put an end to the practice of faith abuse . Thats why people like Dawkins are far more vocal about the abuse that exists within faith ……The simple fact is …Pew warmers brains are all continually sleeping …. Dormant like Trees suffering from an endless winter …. Their brains have become so faithfully dorment , they no longer even “think” enough to even bother to care

      Paul , in “my opinion” , apart from partaking in the friendly faith nod , and joining with you in swapping faith memes (memorized faith words) …..Nothing changed at all . And the prayers are JUST as continually worthless as they have been for thousands of years , while faith abuse has continued ever onward.

      This is because God-s dont exist . …Hense why prayers never ever change anything at all .

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