This is some bodies personal proposal for faith.
Quote : “FAITH A difficult but very important topic. I propose that faith is one of the most abused topics in Christian religious circles. I am not expecting the reader to accept anything I write on the basis of “faith”. You should accept it only on the basis of it’s appeal to your integrity, your inner light and of course support of appropriately applied scripture.
Appeal to “faith” can be a form of abuse? When the suggestion is made that something should be accepted on the basis of faith – just be wary. The appeal to accept something by faith is quite subtle because, if I question, my doubt is likely to be regarded as a lack of faith, and because faith is held to be a primary quality of Christian certainty and salvation, any expression of doubt can prompt a discomforting put-down. This potential is exploited very effectively by leaders and the power hungry hierarchy.
What is faith all about? What is it – and what is it not? What was “faith” to the writers of scripture and what has become in the hands of the religious powers? Faith is a means of embracing those aspects of God which are beyond our capacity to reduce to rational concepts. Faith is not intended for believing things which are verifiable by available means. To come quickly to an obvious application for those from a cultish background; faith should never be proposed as a means of countering disturbing but verifiable facts. For example a leader may insist that followers should exercise “faith” as to “the pure line of leaders” and then insist that any move to make “thorough inquiry” into facts is a serious breach of faith and trust. That leader should not be trusted. He is asking you not to trust God but to trust him. “God is light and in Him is no darkness at all”. (John 3 v19). But “Men have loved darkness rather than light; for their works were evil” (1 John 1 v5). Be very wary of any system which makes you feel threatened when you follow your conscientious inclination for inquiry into facts. Confidence systems and confidence men work this way, they expect you to trust them, and they make you feel an outsider if you show any doubt. Jesus did not discourage inquiry or doubt and neither did the apostle Paul.”
With all due respect to the person who wrote this , i find it interesting and would like to look at it.I truly hope this person wont be offended if i discuss it a little . In my opinion faith has effected my life … it effects the lives of many …As a human being if faith is going to exist in this life around us …Then in my opinion i don’t see why any of us should be excluded from ever discussing any parts of it. We shouldnt be excluded from discussing any of it within the EB , or out of the EB ….Whether we be Faithful , or non faithful.
The first part i find extra interesting is this bit :”When the suggestion is made that something should be accepted on the basis of faith – just be wary.”
Well ok .We need to accept the Holy Bible or Quran or any other religious holy book on faith , because we were not there in person.Matter of fact there is even some doubt that the folks who wrote the bible were actually there in person either.When scholars dating even the earliest gospel at 40 years after the events it describes .If we posit that Matthew was approximately the same age as Jesus (who was said to be around 30) then that makes Matthew at at least aged 70 when he wrote the book.Now thats mighty old considering medicine wasnt really around much and people often died all the time, and a ripe old age like that would have certainly been pretty uncommon back in those days.And besides that imagine a 70-year-old who lived such a hard life those folk did,trying to write an exact account of what happened at least 40 years ago.
So belief in whats written within the bible does rely totally on faith.Yet this book does appeal that we do accept it .
Ok lets look at the next interesting line that i have highlighted : “Faith is a means of embracing those aspects of God which are beyond our capacity to reduce to rational concepts. Faith is not intended for believing things which are verifiable by available means”
Ok well i guess that kind of confirms we rely totally on faith.But hold on we have just been advised to be wary ! .Well i couldn’t agree more .And because “Faith is not intended for believing things which are verifiable by available means” …Then maybe that suggests its wise we should really be extremely wary .
Then this writer goes on even further to say : “For example a leader may insist that followers should exercise “faith” as to “the pure line of leaders” and then insist that any move to make “thorough inquiry” into facts is a serious breach of faith and trust. That leader should not be trusted. He is asking you not to trust God but to trust him. “God is light and in Him is no darkness at all”. (John 3 v19)”
Hey but that’s exactly what folks who wrote all these holy books expect us to do all the time also right ?…Expect that yes we should : “exercise “faith” as to “the pure line of leaders” and then insist that any move to make “thorough inquiry” into facts is a serious breach of faith and trust “..Yeah that’s right …These holy book writers of ancient times insist non believers will not be in heaven .Non believers will not be saved .Non believers will end up in hell .We cannot be eye witnesses.So we have no way of knowing whether its true the writers were eye witnesses …Therefore these writers do expect us to exercise faith and accept whats written in these holy books entirely on faith ….And as they do also suggest only the believers will get to heaven …then it’s also a given fact that they obviously don’t really want any people questioning this “faith belief” either .
The writer of this article also suggests : ” That leader should not be trusted. He is asking you not to trust God but to trust him. “God is light and in Him is no darkness at all”. (John 3 v19).”
Well i do absolutely agree , all writers of all holy books are actually asking the reader to have faithful trust in the writer of the holy book . Because there is actually absolutely no “objective” way to hear or read any honestly objective opinion of any God or deity that may actually honestly exist anywhere in the universe …unless that God personally actually arrives here on the scene in person , himself .
You know folks of faith also talk about the existence of this “objective morality” …..They suggest it is “objective moral law” and it given from God to us humans …… But the funniest thing is they don’t tell us to ask God himself ….They don’t ever say ask God and hear it straight from the horse’s mouth ….. No they don’t …They tell us look here its written here in this holy book …This holy book that those ancient human faithful folk actually wrote .Meaning whats written within these moral values has no more “objective value” than any of the moral values of absolutely any other group of human moral thought . For it is only one human groups opinion of what might be moral ,compared to what another human group may consider is moral ….Because God cannot appear in person to give this Godly objective value , that many folks of faith try claiming honestly actually exists .Without ability of God appearing in person ,it simply comes down to opinion of one group ,verses opinion of another group .
It’s a sleight-of-hand trick these faithful folk like to use .And you know what …this particular faithful sleight of hand magical trick, has been used as a very deceitful propaganda tool to try to demean any bases for moral value , of any folks without faith .Its been used to attack atheism, by suggesting atheists have no bases for moral value .When a group of atheist has as much bases for moral value , as does any group of faithful folk.
Faithful folks bases for moral value was based on moral relativism also. Their moral value was relative to their culture and generations , which is why we see moral value change within holy books between the first and second testament , with regard to the practice of stoning people to death.
Now im not suggesting any folks of faith purposely set out to promote anything deceitful .I don’t even suggest folks within the EB are purposely interested in promotion of deceit either.
While faith exists in our lives around us …It’s just a fact of life that some folks will become drawn into being involved in it.
However after saying all the above i feel very thankfull that i can be extremely happy to also report that this writer also writes …quote : Jesus did not discourage inquiry or doubt and neither did the apostle Paul