H.T ….. Thanks to John Loftus
I saw this youtube video over on Johns blog called Debunking Christianity today and i found it extra interesting because in my opinion i think it displays really well the type of deceitful tactics used within theist circles to deceive people specially the youth . I remember back when i was young in the EB group there was always these stern elders who tried to make real sure they got to us and manipulated out thoughts . Some churches now have special universitys to try and teach priests the specialist skills on how to manipulate the truth so as to convince people .Its almost lots like a school designed for teaching salesman how to become specialist salesmen . And the Exclusive Brethren have their own schools now also so the pupils dont go hearing any information that the Exclusive Brethren dont want them to be hearing . Why might that be ? . If its the truth the truth stands on its own merit right ? .Our courts dont often keep the evidence away from other people involved in the court cases ? . Our cours dont try and usher the judges aside so they only get to hear one side of the information ? .Whys that ? .Why is our court system built by our justice systems so different to the processes that cults the the Exclusive and Renton Brethren type cults feel they need to employ ? . Do you suppose somebodies hiding something ? .Do you suppose these cults and different sects are worried they dont have the honest truth and are worried they might lose control ?.
Take a look at this video and you will see the first speaker is a bloke named Ken Ham and he`s talking to the children while indoctrinating them with a real anti evolution message . Its not that im against those who have faith in God , but im against blatant deceit , specially when it comes from the mouth of Theists . Theist who supposedly stand for the truth of God . If the truth is the truth then it stands on being the truth right ? , thats why they have people swear on the bible in courts .Because evidently the bible is supposed to have extremely strong connections with the truth .
So in this video Ken Ham is discussing evolution with children while their loving ? parents stand by listening along . It starts off with a sign suggesting evolution is from the devil . Ken Ham is asking kids if they heard of evolution and that dinosaurs lived millios of years ago , and that people came from ape like creatures or something like that .Of course the kids are putting their hands up to both these questions because its what they have heard something about some where at some stage . Ken Ham says well i certainly dont believe that dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and i dont think that humans evoled from ape like creatures . He then puts up these two pictures of a human face sort of super imposed on a mokey face , and says to the children , does you granma or grandpa look like that ? .
Naturally the kids think this thought is extremely funny because naturally it doesnt look anything like their grandparents . Of course sadly being kids they dont notice the strong resemblence i can see between the two pictures ken showed , and kens own face ! . To me their wasnt that much difference . But i degress .
At this point i wish to point out that this Theist Ken Ham has disceived the children because he has purposely brushed over the fact that evolution isnt about change that happens over night .Its not even about change that can be noticed over one generation , no the type of evolution Ken is discussing is about evolution that happens over THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF YEARS .
Ken has not told the children this .This is not something that Theists want their children to understand ,hense why Theists like the Exclusive Brethren dont want their children going to public schools . Ken goes on to state point blank that Theists dont believe in evolution , he suggests that evolution is just something that people use to explain life without God .
In effect Ken has deceived the children with a complete lie , because whether God created us or not its obvious that evolution is a happening thing .Evolution is happening around us all the time .It is happening with you and i , you have got very different features to your ancestors .Through the mixing of genes and what-not we all change our features (evolve) .In thousands of years time we may possibly look very different to what we do now . Ken has show the children a very hairy face that looks like a monkey and by doing so he has deceived the children that given the right situation , over thousands of years by the power of beings attraction to certain features of mates for procreation , the power of choice could mean that beings could have chosen a mate with less hair ,meaning the gense with less hair would have been the genes that would have become most popular ! and as such been the genes that most often got passed along ….Given a few thousand years there is no reason why much facial hair could not have disappeared off these beings .
Next we have this dude called Buddy Davis giving children a talk about why the word Dinosaur cant be found in Genesis .He talks about how people dont believe dinosaur and man lived together , but Buddy suggests this is very wrong .He believes the bible is a history book that shows that man and dinosaurs did live together . He talks about scripture in Job 40 verse 15 and a creature called the Behemoth explaining that this must be discribing a Dinosaur . If you listen to Buddys song singing the verses of the Bible carefully you will notice Buddy suggests the part about this Behemoth creature goes as follows .
” His tail is like a cedar tree “
Out of interest lets check out what other peoples opinion is .
Suggests the verse in context states .
“He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.”
And suggest that : creationists took that verse and distorted it to make the verse erroneously say,
“His tail is like a cedar: the sinew of his stones are wrapped together.”
This article goes on to suggest Stephen Mitchell, a professional translator who wrote and published a highly accurate translation of The Book of Job in 1992
Translates it as something totally different , but i will let you read the article that talks about what it suggests .
Heres http://paleo.cc/paluxy/behemoth.htm another article that suggests the verse reads : 17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together
The talk origins site http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH711.html suggests : The “tail like a cedar,” which creationists think indicates a large dinosaur, is not even a real tail
Any way Ken Ham goes on to question whether Dinosaurs actually lived millions of years ago like some scientists suggests .His line of argument he put to these children was , has man or scientist always been around there so as to know when Dinosaurs existed ? . no !……. Does the bible say God was always there and knew when the Dinosaurs existed ? …Yes !
So the argument is : The bible says it …. I believe it . That settles it
Very thankfully we can be extremely greatful that Christians dont run our court rooms . These people judgments are scary
No wonder folks in the Exclusive Brethren think . James Talor said so …. We believe so ….. That settles it
Or : …. Bruce Hale said so ….. We believe so ….. Who are we to dare go about questioning anything !
Anyway these folk question that dinosaurs live mega years ago like many scientists believe …. I guess because it doesnt agree with the bible . And these folk question carbon dateing and stuff ….Funny thing is these folk will often trust and use inventions created using the opinions of scientists …. in their everyday life .
But when it comes to anything messing with their bible …All of a sudden …Scientists become thought of as liars
Yet if some archaeologists find some ruins in areas talked about in the bible , or some old chunks of wood somewhere buried in ice ….The same Theist will flock there in droves …Trying to use carbon dating or what ever science has on offer …To try and make it match something in their holy book .
Hypocrites much i wonder ? .
Anyway heres is what talk origins http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-c14.html has to say about the carbon dating issues .
No wonder our families remain trapped within cults when thoughts of religious faith traditionally is …. Dont try to think for yourself to much and decide …..dont question to much ….. Just listen and believe …..only believe ….only believe
Why would we ever expect our familes would question the position they are captives within ?
They are just being your average normal traditional Christian zombies .