“Open-Mindedness , feed your head wisely “ , i think this is an excellent video off Youtube.It explains in very clear detail why being open minded doesnt equal a need for us to simply agree to swallow anything that “might be” possible.

Members of the Exclusive and Renton Brethren type cults would do well , to take a good OPEN MINDED look at this excellent youtube video . As their “closed-minds” has been whats gotten them into all the great troubles they find themselves needing to try dealing with now .

When we do that , is when we will end up with the type of destructive faith cults that have evolved within many religious faiths , including all the destruction we see within the faiths Christianity and Islam and Hinduism along with many others.

I have been trying to explain to Tina who commented on this blog  , why its imporatant to think outside the box , and dig a little deeper , ive tried to explain why peoples so-called “personal relationships” that so many faith folks suggest they do have …. Dont really equal any real evidence that can HONESTLY be classed as  very convincing evidence . Why ? …well because this type of evidence is always so “subjective” to the person faith/beliefs who makes the suggestion they have supposedly had the experience .

Here is some more information that might also help explain the difference between an objective opinion verses subjective opinion

“Scientific facts are objective as are mathematical proofs , essentially anthing that can be backed up with solid data  ” 

A good collection of data is what provides us the information that helps lead us to the truth .

1. For instance the “subjective opinion ” of Exclusive Brethren might be that in their opinion the Exclusive Brethren would suggest they have never been involved in any breaking up families or causing so much pain that they have driven some people to suicide either .

2. However the data that IS available conveys a very different opinion . It provides us with some “objective opinion” thats of a scientific method , due to the scientific use of corrrelating all  available data to help make the conclusion .

3. What yours or mine own personal “subjective opinion” of whether the Exclusive Brethren might or might-not have broken up families and driven some folk to suicide , might be . Makes no difference at all to what the “scientific data” thats avilable will still remain .

Hense how the collection of scientific data can help provide a type of “objective opinion” .

For instance as i just tried to explain to Tina 

1. I have observed and experienced during my lifetime , that it seems quite obvious , that most often humans do all seem to choose to agree to have faith in the faith , of the faith of those other humans in the cultural social group they find around them . Hense why we see very few Muslims in Muslim countries turning toward Christianity , and vice-versa …. We see very few Christians in the Exclusive or Renton Brethren or Christian based countries turning toward Islam .

This is the “scientific data” ….. It doesnt matter what yours or mine personal opinion might personally be …. The scientific data still remains exactly the same , no matter what peoples personal “subjective” opinions may be .

The scientific data suggests …. Faith is very culturally driven …. Muslims born in Muslin countries, tend far more to be Islamic .Christians born into Christian based countries , tend far more often to becoming Christian …Exclusive and Renton Brethren born into Exclusive or Renton Brethren societies , tend far more toward becoming Exclusive or Renton Brethren .

Hense SCIENTIFIC DATA helps us to conclude  : Faith = Culture

And this conclusion is an “objective” type opinion . Its an objective opinion because the conclusion relys on observing & calculating from all the DATA that is available .

What Tina Thinks . What CAPTAIN JOHN  COLMAN thinks .What Bruce Hales thinks . What i think . Is just all of our seperate “subjective opinions”

None of our “subjective opinions” , can ever change the SCIENTIFIC DATA thats still available .

1. Bruce Hales and all the Exclusive or Renton Brethren can CHOOSE  to continually try to make the “subjective opinion” claims , that …ohh no ! …no “WE” suggest we have never ever broken up any families or driven any people toward suicidE either .

Until they ALL go black and blue in their faces and the cows finally decide to come home .

2. But the “objective truths” of this matter , still forever remains !locked up within all the scientific data that IS available . And there IS plenty of it , plus more and more mounting up all the while too

Bruce Hales and the Exclusive & Renton Brethren can CHOOSE TO act like ostriches as long as they please .

1 . They only manage to fool their own minds in a subjective kind of way.

2 . Because the truth remains forever present collected and filed away for safe keeping , within all the OBJECTIVE SCIENTIFIC DATA that is available , which when studied by professionals and layman alike , can help humans make a type of “objective scientific conclusion”

The truth will always tend to out-itself sooner or later …. There is no doubt about that …..As much as human beings had no scientific bases to enable them in any real HONESTY the ability to deny gravity , or the “right” to continue onward in great ignorance to try and deny the world was indeed a sphere ! rather than a plane like once thought.

So indeed …one day it will also be with these matters of faith abuse which HAVE taken place within many circles of faith and specially within the type of cults like the Exclusive and Renton Brethren . Time will see to it that given enough time , the truth will almost always indeed finally out-itself , for the writing is already on the wall pointing towards the likelyness that yes indeed this WILL happen.

The only matter that remains to be seen …Is how stubborn and thoughtless and ignorant and nasty ….some of these folks wish to make THEMSELVES LOOK ?  , by digging their heals in …And in selfcentred thought , thinking only about themselves and their pride and freedom of faith , rather than ever caring enough to show they do indeed give some honest thought to those many others whom indeed have honestly been both very hurt and endlessly abused by the faith beliefs of other folk .

These facts all remain locked up within much scientific data that has been collected .

And no matter how long folks of faith wish to act like ostriches.

It wont do anything much to stop the TRUTH from finally being found out some day !. That we can be very sure of ! .

And the longer it takes for the truth to finally be admitted .

The more and more GUILT and EXTREME SHAME of being involved in that whats been causing such great harm , keeps piling UP and UP upon the heads of ALL those folks of faith who sat back and took absolutely no action at all to try and help remedy such BLATANTLY SHAMEFUL matters as these .

So very many whom have indeed sat by quietly doing absolutely nothing at all about getting involved in helping stopping it .

There is very likely a time coming when the truth will out itself , and due to the widespread abuse plus lack of faithful action against it , faith will be likely to become widely dispised and disliked , for the thoughtless uncaring nasty life destroying thing it has often been  for so many involved in it.Many through little choice of their own , but rather through birthright

And there will be those faithful who will complain and CRY WOLF and wail upon their wailing walls and bleat about how hard done by and persecuted the faithful “feel” .

Many will be they also wailing and still feeling so sorry for themselves , who will have been some of the very worse ! of those who were all standing by quietly by and doing absolutely nothing !, while many other folk elswhere continued to suffer on endlessly.

“Feelings” is a very subjective thing . And a “subjective” christians “personal feeling” that suggests to them personally , that maybe faith doesnt cause any harm …does very little to help improve the DATA COLLECTED that does suggest ! that yes faith HAS BEEN causing many people much harm .

For to ever have a chance of improving this data ..That will take HONEST ACTION and humble attitudes .

Faithful ostriches who “feel” just maybe with “luck” matters might fix themselves one day all on their own . Are NOT helping themselves , or their GOD

Thats why this data is what helps provide us the honest truth …And the DATA is fast amounting against the abuses Theists have metered out to many …The DATA is mounting against ALL  the Theists who CONTINUE to quietly stand by doing nothing about stopping it .

Yes it is very likely that faith will soon become widely disliked and dispised

But folks of faith cannot be HONEST  and try claiming persecution , when they have been so blatantly thoughtless blind and ignorant and utterly nasty and unkind , by standing by quietly like they all have/do ….. While ALL these very many widespread abuses among faith circles continue onward unhindered .

Trying to claim “persecution” is a false claim …And whats more there is enough SCIENTIFIC DATA already been collected ! to help give us an “objective opinion” to prove it so .

1. The best thing left that the faithful could do for THEMSELVES is to atleast show they have enough guts and decency left to simply admit they have been wrong , and then start working their little hearts out on how to try and make some ammends … So as to hold on to some FACTUAL DATA  , that might help suggest that just maybe they do still hold some honesty , in keeping with the faithful words they like to pretend they follow , of supposedly following Jesus or Muhammad and evidently honestly loving and caring about people

2. But to be honest ! i have to say i doubt this is likely to be any more likely to happen among any main stream folks of faith , than it is within the Exclusive & Renton Brethren type cults either. Faith is built on big-headed pig-headed prideful people , who would often far rather lead their followers into total rack-and-ruin

Than they would ever be prepared to swallow their pride and show some HONEST humble attitudes …and simply admit being wrong and agree to try and make some amends .

1. Look at the Catholic faith hiding sex abuses

2… Look at the Benny Hinn type faiths fleecing people for money by staging false miracles

3 .. Look at all the priest and clergy from so very many different dominations that are often found out to be complete frauds

4. Look at all the long-standing abuses that have continually gone on among so very many Christian cults like the Exclusive & Renton Brethren

The SCIENTIFIC DATA that has been continually collected over time in all our societies  , continually points toward evidence of folks of faith being far to full of pride and being extremely lacking in enough honest kindness in thinking about others , to ever even bother enough about taking any action of doing anything about these long-standing matters of faith abuse .

As such folks of faith will have nobody else to blame but themselves …. Should faith one day soon become something thats widely disliked and dispised .

Goodness me folks … even some Christians are now saying exactly the same things

Its not like its just some angry atheist sitting here talking about something based entirely upon my own “subjective opinions” .

No its not …There is also the “objective view” of scientific data thats been continually collected over many years now which also backs up these conclusion , conclusions that also even agree with conclusion made from data collected by the Christian George Barna group also.

Someday folks of faith will need to humble themselves and learn to admit that their stubborn ignorant manner has caused many people much pain and heartbreak , including the pain caused to people who were burned at stakes accused as witches , along with all the pain and suffering metered out to many live babies that in far more ancient time were thrown into the flames of fire , due to theists faith & hopeful practices , while faithfully guessing these actions might help bring their community better fertility .

Faith and hopeful practices that were lacking in any of the scientific data that was honestly needed , to help them try not to pile guilt upon their own heads ! for causing  such dreadful thoughtless harm .

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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