When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
It’s a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of education
Hasn’t hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall
“Kodachrome” by Paul Simon
Firstly to be quite honest personally i think it’s quite sad that it seems there has been so little interest shown in this subject , and as such this discussion has not really taken off and as such has not really been discussed much , specially when this is a site that is for ex cult members and many people who have been associated with abuse….One might have reason to think maybe this type of topic might have “produced” some real hot healthy debate right ? .After all the way this subject is worded it is something that is being proposed/imposed , and if nobody much thinks about it and maybe even bothers questioning it .Then this thought will have simply become something that’s been simply assumed or even worst something that’s simply been imposed or enforced . In my opinion, this is how cults first start to get a hold in society , people don’t discuss , they don’t DARE bother questioning they get so used to being manipulated and controlled , they don’t think things over throughly discussing everything important about the subject anymore.They just become folks who listen and try to nod their wee beanys at all the right moments , often because they might be afraid to seem to different or something like that.
I think Friends Alive is a wonderful thing , i thought Peebs net site was a wonderful thing too . But i purposely chose to leave my membership of peebs net and purposely chose not to join up with Friends Alive , simply because im not just another brick in the wall . I refuse to be just another brick in the wall who never bothers to question anyone or anything , who`s always a noddy nodding his wee beany who is afraid to not always agree . And while spending time at the Peebs Net site it soon became obvious to me noddys were what many of these Ex EBs still expected .Many of the Peebs Net member might have left the EB cult , sure ,but in my opinion it often didn’t seem that the cult mentality had honestly left them . Oh yes people like me were able to question and discuss matters , but i still felt it was still often like trying to drag a dead horse uphill . Their was plenty of folks on Peebs Net who were only to happy to get involved in running the EB down for the way the EB tried to shut down discussion on matters to do with the EB , yet these same folk who were only to eager to suggest how disgusting it was that the EB tried to sue people to silence them . Were also often the very same ones who dropped their bottom lip and started shunning and quietly hating on you , if you ever dared discuss or question things that they personally didn’t think you should be questioning.
So for that reason after trying for a very long time in hope people there might change and accept discussion and difference of opinion more openly , i finally gave up ! and decided it was maybe just best for me to leave Peebs Net .And after that experience i also decided i would not take up any offers to belong to this Friends Alive site either .I have been away from the EB since i was 15 and i have not been a church member since .So i’m very much a free spirit . I value the total freedom and right to use my own head and question , think and discuss matters as much as i please …. far too much !, to ever let some people who drop their bottom lip all the time , drag me down to their backward stagnant cult levels.
But anyway this person or these people over on Friends Alive have proposed that …Why? – not always a useful question
Well i fail to see why? …I notice that this person who proposes this suggestion , offers absolutely no reasons at all to go with what they propose ? .To me it seems almost like maybe ? this person has already decided his opinion is the absolutely right opinion ! , and so what ever anybody else might think is totally beside the point and so it just really dont matter.
Because i would have thought if this person was really looking to discuss this matter and ask what other people thought , they might have said….1. this is what i think ….2 this is my reasons….and mabe even …3 what do other folks think , am i right or wrong about this?
But this person simply make the statement ….Why? – not always a useful question
And i cant help but notice this person is faithful …I think this because i notice this person mentions God …This person mentions God as if all us humans should be faithful and be ruled by the thoughts of those who have faith in God …This person says … Why? – not always a useful question ……Then proceeds on to also say ….I don’t think God places much value on the passive/submissive attitudes prevailing within the Exclusive Brethren system
With people of faith around who make suggestions that ….Why? – not always a useful question…….Then crikey! what else? do these people think should exist among the EB ??%*&@?? …other than ! …..passive/submissive attitudes prevailing
This is the problem with people of faith ..Their whole life become like reading the pages of holy books …They read and recite and everything about life becomes …Just another brick in the wall ! …They parrot things …Never questioning or honestly thinking things through properly …Its obvious this person is faithfully parroting their indoctrinated thoughts, because if he/she wasnt , well they wouldn’t make these silly suggestions one-moment that questioning isn’t good , then next moment also try suggesting that the passive/submissive attitudes prevailing in the EB is not good eith.
)))WHY?((( does this person think these —-> passive/submissive attitudes prevailing …might exist in the EB ? …Maybe because the EB feel so totally free to question ?
No…. the passive/submissive attitudes prevailing exists in the EB , precisely because the EB have listened to faithful people who make these VERY SAME stupid religious suggestions against! people’s right of total freedom questioning matters …That’s exactly why
People like this person with their faith in God are promoting this very same religious attitude which is also WHAT promotes these abusive cults to start forming in the first place .They need to get up off the church pew throw the bible in the nearest rubbish bin , and start questioning and using their freaking brain for the very first time in their life for what the brains actually meant for ….Thinking and questioning.
Questioning is like the scientific process part of our thought practices .It’s the correcting mechanism part of our human thought processes .If people promote the idea that there is something wrong with questioning , then we will always have Renton and Exclusive Brethren cults that abuse people also.And we will have Christian faiths that will also be riddled with lies and deceit and nobody will ever be non the wiser because nobody will use the scientific part of our thought process , and double-check to make very sure via use of the freedom of questioning
This person of faith over on Friends Alive proves what a terrible state faith in general is in , this person helps prove my point that its faith in general that helps promote these very ignorant attitudes .It’s not a problem of the Exclusive or Renton brethren cults , this ignorant attitude runs far deeper …The root of these problem lay within faith in general ….And until folks face this …Then they are just bigots …Blaming the Exclusive or Renton brethren , for something that they are also involved in publically promoting themselves.
This is what happens when peoples faith blinds US .We become ignorant of our own ignorance.
Here is a an excellent piece of information that helps explain why questioning is so very EXTREMELY important .
The third person in this thread on Friends Alive said this.
” I think it is a good thing if we list the why’s in our life. Many questions or worries remain unanswered not because there is no answer, but because we do not identify the exact root of the problem.
Sometimes it maybe good to separate the things we should question from those we don’t have to.
In cult settings, often an out loud “Why” is dangerous, it is regarded as questioning the leadership. ”
Yes there is really nothing wrong with questioning.Maybe some times there is some things we shouldnt need to question .But still we can learn better exactly why that is , by use of questioning.
And sadly it seems 3 out of 4 people on this thread don’t seem to think questioning is important .Whats the bet they are most likely faith jockeys . Might as well return to the Exclusive or Renton brethren , after all they have their brains shut down …They already don’t dare question , are afraid to question , think questioning is unimportant …Hense why i suggest they would most likely also slot back into the Exclusive or Renton brethren cult very easy ….just like a hand fits in a glove….Yes sure they might have left the Exclusive or Renton brethren , but they still never ever left the FAITH CULT …..Their brain is still just as shut down by very silly stupid dangerous devotion to a charismatic FAITH , as is any Renton or Exclusive brethren members brain also shut down by devotion to the charisma of the FAITH.
Now many folks of faith just wont want to face this.They will screw up their little wee faithful faces and their bottom lips will start to drag along the tarmac while their faith anger gets hotter and hotter as they feel more and more like stomping off in a tizz like kindergarten children…..Yet these fools fix nothing….History still continues to repeat itself again and again , while these folks of faith sit warming their pews and thinking ohh what a jolly good girl/boy am i …ohh how much i deserve my eternal life in heaven with Jesus.
Meanwhile they are just as involved in continually promoting a very ignorant attitude , as is any Renton or Exclusive brethren in one of these other abusive CULTS is .
Personally i find it a little sad to see nobody much is questioning matters about this particular thread over there on Friends Alive …I have waited and been watching to see how long it would take for anyone to question WHY? questioning why should have a reason to be thought not always a good thing ..And it took a whole two months! …Two months!!??@%*&@??##??…….To be honest it makes me wonder if just maybe the site might have been more suited to have been name as being …Friends Faithfully Brain Dead
Dont mean to sound nasty .Just being honest.Why did it take two months?
Why is it that people there on Friends Alive are not questioning either ? ….Are they to afraid to dare question ! ,kind of just very much like the Exclusive or Renton brethren also are ?
Yes i`d say FAITH IS A CULT and whats worse faith in general is also an extremely ABUSIVE CULT .Faith in general in the religious sense is almost always abusively oppressive , because faith is always founded on mere faith , it has this need to try to oppress some human thought processes …Because faith is founded on faith , rather than evidence that helps prove truth , faith has this need to try its best to oppress certain human thought processes , because faith is not founded on truth which is founded on evidence ….And so as such faith cannot stand up strong to questioning.
Hense why we will most often always see people of faith publically involved in these methods of OPPRESSION …No matter how hard these people of faith try to pretend they have left the Renton or Exclusive brethren type OPPRESSIVE cults .Their own faithful actions , soon enough prove their own words to be little more than being some more very faithful words being spoken .They still warm pews and still exist within the OPPRESSIVE CULT of religious faith.
I realize it has been the right choice for me to decide not to join Friends Alive at the moment .I’m just far to much of an unfaithful free spirit …..I would question everything ….and only end up upsetting the faithful pew warmers
Then when i see their little lips dragging along the tarmac …traditionally what happened when i was a member on Peebs Net is i would start feeling guilty …like i had just gate-crashed a church service …And upset the tender hearts of those so-called “kind caring” folks of faith….Folks of faith that are so kind and caring they don’t like to many questions or any of those damn pesky OPPOSERS who might dare rock their sweet little faith-boats that they have managed to fall totally asleep in.
Thus faith has often demanded RESPECT that in my opinion is so extremely often unearned.
But at least over here on my own blog i can feel like sometimes i can taste some honest FREEDOM .If what i say here happens to offend people , well im not DEMANDING anyone need read anything here that im writing .If what i write here offends the faithful , well these folks of faith may simply scurry off and refuse to read anything more.Like the Renton or Exclusive brethren they can shove their heads deep back in the sand and rock themselves back to sleep in their faith-boats , and all close their eyes and poke a finger in each ear and say …nah nah nah nahhhh …can’t see or hear you …not listening ! .
And will hope that just maybe with enough luck someday all these problems will simply disappear into thin air….And when they don’t ever disappear ….being the FAITHFUL TYPE ….. then they will most likely also never ever dare to question WHY? …either
Folks on that site should be very keen on discussing this particular thread in my opinion .So far it seems they got 17 pages aimed at laughing at the EB , but as an outsider looking in , im still left wondering what it is why they might have any reason to expect ?, maybe the EB might bother taking some time to quit taking life as a complete joke , get a little more serious and settle some issues that might need a little more serious thought , questioning and settling.
Who ever that person is on this thread on Friends Alive that has bothered to question —-> WHY….Good on you !! …Go you good thing !!