Faith Reasoning

HT from DC  led me to experiencing watching this sweet Wee Gem 

I sure had a real good old chuckle to myself while watching it .Even if sadly a whole lot of it did almost seem all to very familiar and real for me as an Ex EB .This …Faith reasoning ! ….Shucks dont you just love it ?.

Faith reasoning = Something must be true because our faith and our church ministry or holy books and leaders/guru’s keep on telling us that its true.

Bruce Hales is MOG because Exclusive Brethren Dogma say's so

Works like a real treat don’t it ? .Cant fault it really …Well not when you have plenty of this thing called Faith …Works every time a cracker ! , just so long as folks remain brain-dead deluded faithful sheep .And thankfully with faith possessing copious amount of both charisma and devotion factor , it makes for one of the very most mighty fine breeding ground of this amazing foolish trait of human Faith Reasoning .

But in my opinion the ROOT of  this faith reasoning runs far deeper than what we see sitting on the surface with Bruce Hales and the Exclusive Brethren Christian cult ,the ROOTS of this faith reasoning runs far deeper than what we see sitting on the surface with the Renton Brethren group too.The ROOTS of this type of reasoning is well and truly ROOTED right throughout FAITH BELIEF over all in general .

And the very worst problem is nearly all faithful folk don’t like to dare even admit it.Not Bruce Hales .Not the faithful Exclusive Brethren.Not even the faithful Ex Exclusive Brethren. They are all involved in this very same continuing denial that’s ROOTED  in the FAITH  of getting involved in this type of faithful circular reasoning.

Sure i can understand why there is some extreme animosity between the Exclusive Brethren faithful folk , and some Ex EB`s who still remain faith Christians too.The Ex EBs got ripped off ,we lost much of our family life.But casting stones directly at the EB over the existence of faith reasoning doesn’t fix things.Cause it doesnt address the real ROOT of the problem much.All it does is try  looking for somebody to single out and lay blame on ,while continuing to be just about as blind also , as those others you singled out and would like accuse of being “the blind ones”.

In my opinion some more Ex EBs might need to consider and explore this matter a little more deeply , cause faithful EBs verses faithful Ex EBs could come under much the same type of context dealt with in this you-tube video above , except its EB faithful verses Ex EB faithful trying to suggest one faith is somehow better than the other type of faith is.And its founded on much the same faith reasoning .

Mostly they are all excellent people both the EB an Ex EB . But sadly faith can mislead people into what could be some bad reasoning , reasoning that sort of goes like this .

We have great faith that you are to blame ,because have great faith that you are to blame.

This sounds like some pretty solid sort of truth indeed, if indeed enough faith exists that it is truth.But is it ?.

Friends alive run a very excellent site for recovering cult members, and many Ex EBs along with some EBs discuss many matters to do with Cults ,faiths and religion and much more.And its a really good thing because discussion is whats really needed.

One such thread has been named Breaking down the dishonesty of the EB .

The first sentence reads : I am delighted that Bruce Hales has gone back on his words and principles in a number of cases. He likens it to the Lord turning a corner. I liken it to Bruce Hales doing what he likes. To changing strongly held rules to suit his own current day regime and whims.

First of all i want to say im also just as much ! pissed-off about the situation that has developed, as this person i have quoted is.I agree its utter bullshit the way faith changes its mind when so happens it seems it suits them .That really sucks like hell and literally reeks to high heaven of some extremely deceitful practices.But are the EB to blame for it ?.

If we read the Christian holy bible we see much of the same evidence that suggests people of faith change their mind like the wind!, whenever it pleases them .If it wasnt a fact the second testament would be much the same as the first testament was.And people would still stone people to death these days.And if a group of men was coming to sodomize your male friends that are staying at your house,you would be still expected to hand out your own daughter for sex use ,to try to stop this type of situation from happening.And it would still be considered something that’s thought very wrong to suffer a witch to live , if indeed it wasnt honestly quite an extremely traditional normal thing for folks of faith to have very often -> ” gone back on his words and principles in a number of cases.” .

And so getting away from the trap of using faith reasoning , that causes so many people these continuing problems of making bad judgment,due to devotion to charismatic beliefs .

We need to admit this problem is far from being ROOTED in problems caused by the Exclusive Brethren Cult .For the Exclusive Brethren cult is only but a very small part of the collateral damage caused through the faithful continued promotion of this silly faith reasoning .

This person goes on to talk about being kept in the dark within the EB ,well im afraid to break it to this person but yes indeed ! it is also been very traditional trait for faiths to try to keep their followers in the dark ,this must be the case.Unless folks really wish to think all religion is true? .If not , then quite obviously yes! indeed it has been very traditional trait for many faithful to try and keep all their people in the dark by faith.

This person says of the EB  -> ” Then we see the wickedness of this latest Man of God’s self-importance. His arrogance is so gobsmacking that you have to be out of the Church to really see it for what it is.  ”

Hold on son dont shooting anybody quite just yet .Lets discuss these matters a little more first .I do sure agree with you about it being gobsmackingly arrogant and wickedly self-important and all that stuff ..But do you honestly think the ROOT of this problem belongs to those in the EB ?.

I find it hard to agree ,but then im an atheist who is no longer bothered in being interested in following faith-reasoning . You are suggesting : the EB are to blame because the EB are to blame

How do you decide this ? ..By faith-reasoning ? …Because some non EB preacher told you its true?.

Its a historic fact that faith has traditionally always been full of arrogance and self-importance.They didnt burn folk at the stake without having plenty of arrogance and self-importance flowing through their faithful veins.Ancient theists didnt cast live babies into the flames of fire in hope of receiving gains of better fertility for themselves , without arrogantly feeling very self-important

In fact faith in people gaining eternal salvation itself , for the person being faithful …Wouldnt exist without extreme arrogance of the self-important attitude faithful people have that makes them believe they are those who deserve to gain eternal salvation .

If the arrogance and self-importance wasnt at the very ROOTS of faith , people wouldn’t have felt they deserved to gain this eternal salvation when it always cost many other folks great harm or even their lives on this earth , and lots and lots of continuing suffering …Like it ALWAYS has .

But arrogance and self-importance has always run rife within faith.For its also got lots to do with all the many faiths and dominations now existing.

There is so much more that could be said about this thread ,even the third comment is telling of whether its good reasoning or faith-reasoning being used .

It says ..-> ” They seem to have no idea about the extent of hard evidence of harm that is against them. How will they ever manage to keep the bluff of the pure line going? The pure line is gone, was never there, but now the ordinary EB are recognizing it, that’s the difference.

After 40 years in the wilderness……….!

Hold that shotgun buster ! please don’t go shooting any EB folk just yet !! .How about we discuss these matters a little more first.It seems to me your faith-reasoning may be? helping you overlook a few very important matters .

Have you forgotten that this “extent of hard evidence of harm that is against them”  is not really so honestly only up against the EB is it…For indeed the EB may be harmful but they have not burned any folks at the stake lately that im aware of have they ? .They have not killed people for heresy or used methods of torture that was once also very traditional of folks of faith.And yet these same folks of faith who burned and killed people in ancient times , also still managed to keep the bullshit line going of having a pure line

I agree with you its ALWAYS been faithful bullshit ! , the whole lot of it ! , and yes many people are starting to wake up and see it . And about time too because a very high price has been already been paid for the arrogant self-important manner displayed by all folks of faith , who have seemed to think they are those who deserve to GAIN  eternal life for themselves .Even if it costs some other people !

Some of us who can see that , are now agnostic atheists.

It is a very sad thing that faith has been based on this extremely thoughtless destructive type of Pascals Wager .For indeed this is just as selfish as a gambler who don’t mind much at all ! what it might cost OTHERS for his addiction of gambling

Thats faith in a nut shell Gambling at the cost of other folk

Christian did you realize Jesus never paid much for the price of your hope of gaining your own eternal salvation ….For very many other people paid a huge amount more than just merely a few days spent on some cross before rising to some heaven.

Very many more people have lost their lives for your hope of gaining your own salvation. Some were burned at the stake a extremely painful way to die !, and sometimes it took two whole hours for them to die this way , due to all the faithful arrogant self-importance running through the veins of faithful folk willfully involved in faith and superstition .

Im sure all Christian dislike having to face the possibility of not having a pure line , just as much as any Exclusive Brethren also does . For its tough on the conscience

But never mind bagging the EB …it time to wake up and smell the roses yourself ! Christian , for all the evidence you need of this OBVIOUS lack of a pure-line is also even recorded in your very own ancient holy books . 

Sure the EB have hurt many people .But come on try to keep it honest. Why blame them when its traditional ?

It’s been totally in keeping with much wider Christian tradition to be happy to hurt people.

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About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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