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Blind_LRG

I’m not against any forums being used by ex members of cults and closed groups.

But even so, i feel there is reason take a look at this thread here . On the friends alive site (material cited within fair use law)

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Re: Totally Duped and Brainwashed

Post Sat Nov 09, 2013 12:23 am

the devil doing all he can to discredit the position?

:lol: :lol: You have to laugh. Oh dear oh dear that sentence brings back old bad memories! We had the devil doing this and that and then blasphemed away quite happily saying that the Lord had done this and the Lord had done that; the Jesus in my bible is absolutely nothing like the leaders of this blessed holy toe Recovery and Maintenance of the Truth as dictated by ‘these great men’ or galahs in my book.

Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cumin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness. These you ought to have done, without neglecting the others. 24 You blind guides, straining out a gnat and swallowing a camel!

The above quote from Matthew 23 describes the peebs to a T in my book. Blind guides who stress a bastardised version of a line of 2 Timothy 2 to uphold their fear of being exposed to handling the real world and build a gutless sect which is doomed to disaster on that shaky foundation to the exclusion of all the other scriptures which depicts a different kind of Jesus to the one purported to be his Divinely Accredited Minister Of The Lord in The Recovery!

Still you wonder what it will take to stop the endless rhetoric of endless meetings and navel gazing of their over enlarged fat guts whilst demeaning women a la 15th Century.

End quote. (my bold added above)

Its easy to think of the eb as being the only people on earth whom are the ” totally Duped and Brainwashed” folk around town.

Nobody on this site, seems to even question this assessment of the ongoing eb situation . (That i can see anyway).

So does this mean that the eb folk who still decide to stay existing within the eb system . Must therefore be guilty as charged .

To prove this as being an obvious conclusion for people to make . Then surely there should also be no other explanation . That can ever be found to fit the situation at hand .

Also meaning members of many cults worldwide are thus also all just “totally Duped and Brainwashed” type folk .

There sure does seem to be a pretty common tendency for members of many cults and closed groups . To seem very unwilling to try leaving. Specially when they have been born into such groups. When most all of their relations exist there too.

We know how this is actually a pretty worldwide phenomena  . Yet is it ? also just because so many humans worldwide are a  “totally Duped” bunch of “brainwashed” folk .

Or is there perhaps ?some other better explanation for this ongoing problem. That seems worldwide .

When a person within these closed groups (cults) chooses to try to leave. They have no real good way to fully guarantee . That their spouse/ children/ family members will follow. Even mere act of contemplating such things , can bring trouble back upon them.

Therefore its obvious, that this is no real easy decision, for anyone within any of these closed groups, to decide to even dare “think” about. Is it

Even before acting upon

So it really need not be anything so much to do with the condition of Stockholm syndrome . Like it seems some friends-alive folks,seem to feel sure it must need be.  Neither do the eb need to be a “totally Duped” bunch of “brainwashed” folk .

Do they.

We know .There has already been a number of ex exclusive brethren members, decide to commit suicide . So if just deciding to up and leave these cults, was the simple answer to fix this ongoing problem. Then why ? would this problem exist.

Why can’t people, start to see there is far bigger issues that exists within this ongoing problem.

Fact is . Family is actually a highly important factor within healthy human life. Humans are evolved to be social beings .Specially in regards to the family aspect of human life .And there is plenty of science emerging to help prove it so too .More and more evidence arrives all the time as well. Read about some of it here and here and here and here  . And plenty more information is available elsewhere too . Just so long as people are willing to really look for it , and study it . While also being fully ready to think outside the square.

People can call cult members names . As some on that friends alive site seem pretty happy to do. But how ? will it help matters . If it actually misses the root of the problem.

It wont help.

We know how people already still try leaving these cults and closed groups . All the time. Yet it obviously hasn’t helped to fix the ongoing problem, in years gone past. Has it

No.

And if these ex exclusive brethren stopped to really consider this . They might care to fully consider the fact that some have even tried leaving the exclusive brethren just lately . Only to suddenly find it very hard going . Quite possibly even really wishing they just had never even tried.

This is just a cold hard fact . A fact that needs to be taken into account. Before accusing these people of being a “totally Duped” bunch of “brainwashed” folk .

Doing that, is an injustice (unless its totally true. Unless its the only answer that fits. And its obviously untrue if other better-answers do exist.)

Maybe ex exclusive brethren are those whom are acting far more like, they are the “totally duped brainwashed folk” .

Id say they surely look like it sometimes. Specially , if they really think the good-answer to end faith-abuse. Is for cult people to just up and leave your family behind . Such thoughts don’t do real-justice to many broken families. That already exist worldwide. Doesn’t do any real justice to many ex-cult members, suicides either.

Do these friend alive type-folks . Really ever stop and think about this ?. In any great depth.

Who knows . But it sure seems nobody on their site, ever questions it much anyway.(I cant see evidence of anyone online even questioning these accusations they make).

Maybe its just far more easy ,to sit back and continually call cult members these offensive names .

Yet.

Year after year. Generation after generation. People have already tried the idea of just up and leaving cults they were born unto .Time after time.

And year after year. Generation after generation . Time and time again.Broken families . And more and more heartbreak, has just continued onward.

With no sign that it will ever come to an end.

So how can friends alive ,believe this can be the real good answer, to this ongoing problem.

I cant understand why.

One starts to question.Who is acting like the real ? totally duped brainwashed-type folk around here . (if they think this is a good answer)

We ask

How ? has it ever helped fix the root of the real-problem in the past  . How ? will it ever be likely to help cure the root of the real-problem in future

Not so likely to help matters much , is it . (specially not outside the exclusive brethren group anyway)

Ex exclusive brethren will often be seen to discuss how the eb seem to like to pussy-foot and dodge around issues.

Well anyone ever heard of , pot calling kettle black ?

Why not accept that the real-answer is not to just up and leave.

It still wont ever help fix the real-root of this issue . Will it

Exclusive brethren are not the only group of people around ,who act very unlike Jesus did. (Evidently Jesus had interest in addressing the root of the problem). Rather than dodging around it . Hoping only to find a cheap-skate way,to save the skin of his own flesh and blood . Forgetting about other ongoing situations. That other people will thus still be forced to need to exist within

Ex exclusive brethren accuses the eb of having attitude that are “unchristian”

Yet to me , it seems very much christian-like , the way they act . For i can see how mainstream Christians also like to continually dodge around these issues as well too

Therefore its actually very christian-like . In general

So why ? expect any better of people existing in cults . They only mirror what much of mainstream Christianity has also become like

Imagine trying to suggest that the answer to the problem created by Hitler , with the Jews . Was just for escapees to just leave . And thereafter , just forget about any family members, they had left behind.

Like as if escaping was all that one ever needed to do in life . To then begin having a totally happy healthy life .

It’s just not addressing full reality of the situation . Is it

People have been leaving these sorts of cults and closed-groups, for many generations already now . What is it that people still don’t get , that it obviously really didn’t help fully fix , the situation. Because cults and faith abuses , have still continued to exist and harm people .

Much of the world continually tries pussy-footing and dodging around these sorts of issues.

So then why ? would we really have good reason to expect any different/better of members existing within cults .

 

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About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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