I don’t know my mother. Or my father if I’m honest

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Quote abishag

“I don’t know my mother. Or my father if I’m honest. I only knew them for 18 short years and it has dissolved into a fudge of the faintest memories today – over 40 years later. I never had an adult relationship with my parents and some siblings. A terrible thing – that never leaves your psyche. It dwells within you – especially when you see happy normal families around you and wonder about the cruel twist of fate dealt you by a man with strange and extreme ideas.”http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=464 

End quote (material cited within law of fair use)

Likewise, fact is, i really don’t know my family . Not the way many other normal families do

For starters ,my father had died before i turned two. Then a few years after that, the Exclusive Brethren went ahead, and slowly split and divided our whole family up as well too. By use of their utterly stupid religious belief in separation from evil etc.

Never mind that one sister and brother-in-law were excluded and disowned,mostly because they had dared to report that a local EB priest was actively involved in adultery.

For this they were excluded and disowned.Because the exclusive brethren believe they can separate from evil you see, and thus also would want to deny that a priest would/could be involved in adultery.For that is how stupid these theists actually are.

Even though some time later on , this priest was soon to be found-out again anyway, and would be exposed by others ,as actually being involved in adultery. Just like my sister and brother had said that he was

So much for the exclusive brethren ignorant stupidity , in faithfully believing that they are able to separate from evil.

But what about ? the wrongful excommunication that my sister and brother-in-law had experienced . What about ? the loss of love and life lost between us all

The exclusive brethren cared little. That’s what

No .They simply wrote the value of our earthly lives off.Like they often did. As if the only worth existing in life.The only thing of any real meaning in human life. Was deemed to be , about their religious groups-quest to try to get eternal life for themselves.

How lowly are these people of faith ?, whom are obviously willing to sacrifice another humans life here on earth . In hope to be able to gain eternal life for themselves

In war , these people might allow someone else to be gunned down , if they thought it might also help themselves ! ,to survive

And yet, they are all still so proud of themselves too .

Our lives were wagered-away , by these religious-gamblers, who gambled our lives on the idea of human ability of obtaining a place in eternity. An eternity, that isn’t even known to actually exist

We never learned the reality of true love. Because we never really experienced it.

Our eartly lives were overruled , by theists interested in saving themselves

If it was only ourselves that were to be adversely effected by this nastiness, in this way.Then it might not be quite so bad. But sadly, it also went on to have an ongoing effect on our offspring as well too. This is the saddest thing

I never loved my own kids the way i know i ought to have. And i still continue to feel bad about that too, so often. But how does ? one even know how to be properly loving , in the family sense. When its something that also personally feels so completely foreign to us

My mother died some time back.So after they buried her ,they came and gave me a photo.And passed me the $500 , as my inheritance. So all in all , i inherited a letter from my father left me, and the $500 from our mum. That’s about the sum total. And plus they also told me, how extremely lucky i was ,that our mum had allowed me to keep pet goldfish. Because you see, there was other exclusive brethren children who were not allowed to have them.

At the time i wondered, why it made it all ok , that our mum never cared to even visit my children, not even once. Simply because ? she had specially allowed me to keep goldfish.

Id rather not have had right to keep goldfish.Had i known the end result

Don’t ? many non eb people get to keep goldfish , while also having a grandma who still also actively shows how much she loves them.

I know plenty of non-eb’s whom have luckily lived a life in this manner.

The exclusive brethren came to us at the time of the review. They willingly lied to us. And then to top it all off, even our mum went along with it too. When they stopped contact with us.Our mum also freely went along with it

So i never even went to my mums burial. For the fact is, it really didn’t seem like she even loved us. In fact it didn’t seem like she even cared about us.

So what was i supposed to do. Was i supposed to go along to her funeral ? , and try pretend and say how i now suddenly had some real reason to miss her. Should i go along ? and talk about real love, and feelings of loss and suchlike .Among these people where such things seemed so-worthless

If i had gone to her funeral. More than likely, i might have felt more like burying many exclusive brethren that had gathered there that day.

I understand how exclusive brethren culture is immersed in the fine art of pretending. Pretending to love . Pretending to care. And pretending to be honest and sorry within a review , when the truth is, that an exclusive brethren member is actually only involved in strategy, that’s cunningly out to try and deceive

Sure we understand how easy it is for an exclusive brethren member. To go to someones funeral , and pretend

But i don’t pretend.

And truth is ,i felt no real great loss on hearing about the death of my own mum. Now i understand how shallow that sounds. And i’m pretty sure that there may also be some pious Christian reading this here , while judging me for being/feeling this way. But please understand, i’m simply being honest about it all.

And why don’t more “real” Christians try fixing the problem ? , rather than piously standing by,while actively judging? us of this outcome.

Shame on you all . Shame on you pious folks of faith  ! and may it also bring disgrace upon your God. For

1. First of all you allow this harm to continue.

2. Then secondly you judge us of the outcome.

Why should i have good reason to suddenly ? miss our mum , whom had already spent so many years treating us, as if we-outs, were all already dead anyway.

At the time of our moms death. I had already spent half a lifetime, mourning the death (metaphorically) of our mum .Due to her decision of disowning us. And even my kids had been forced to do so, also.

For her death unto-us, had come via her religion.

We never learned about love. Not that many of us did really.I agree it may be quite wrong . But still, what can we really do about it ourselves ? , when this world is so full of people calling themselves Christian , who even will actively support it.  See here

What can we do ? about fixing it . When so many other Christians as well, who might very well be able to aid and helps us. Would seem to far prefer to turn-away from caring, in continually turning a blind eye to it .


“I previously called for a church-led inquiry, as I was aware of the wonderful pastoral support being given to ex-Brethren in many churches. However, I was naive. As my noble friend Lady Brinton and I stuck our heads above the parapet others ducked for cover, perhaps sensibly. Sadly, the Christian lobby fraternity have clearly brought this group under their umbrella, despite my repeated requests not to do so. I quote from the Evangelical Alliance in November 2012:” End quote  See here

All these “caring” Christians sit on the sidelines,merely offering us up band-aids.

As if ? that really helps.

People deem them to be the “real Christians” . Even ex eb people like Fisherman and Laurie Moffit and Rev,and plenty more who all comment on ex eb sites. Will happily claim, that these people are the “real” Christians.

Do these people really believe ?, that Jesus would also agree to act,in the way these people calling themselves Christian ,are acting.

Because it’s basically what they are involved in declaring . How would Jesus feel about someone like Fisherman or Rev , declaring these people who take no action to help stop these things , as being “real” Christians.

Acting “Christ-like”

Shame be on them, for even being so lowly, of even suggesting it

If it were me . I most certainly wouldn’t find it so pleasing .

Such people obviously spend far too much time warming-pews ,all too often.That their brain-cells have also become religiously-dead as well too.

Much like abishag. I can also say i don’t feel i really even know my siblings either. At least not in ways of a normal family manner , anyway

For instance.

1. I have one brother whom tried to run me into the authorities, over a certain matter. A situation that he later expressed some remorse for. While also offering me up the explanation, that it had only happened simply because he was feeling jealous of me. And while he was explaining this to me, he looked at me in a certain way, as if he were expecting that this explanation he offered me, should also help make it seem all quite ok to me. As if , this should some how help to make me feel more at-ease , like i could honestly begin to trust him.

Yet it had the opposite effect. I knew this brother mostly only cared to excuse himself.

2. I stood up for my other brother in the review.A brother whom i had always stood-by ,and honestly cared for. Within the review this brother let an eb verbally abuse me (saying nothing about it when it happened), then later on promptly proceeded to let me suffer again as well too,when the eb started to shut off contact again , after the review. Some years later he offered me the explanation , that he had only done so,simply because he was busy concentrating on taking care of his own interests (ie making sure he didn’t get disowned etc). This brother also seemed to think that this explanation,  should also somehow help make me feel more at-ease and understand, how this made it quite ok. And he looked at me, like somehow i should find some real good reason ? to feel like i can actually have a (sibling-like) trust for him again too.

These are members of my family. These situations i describe, is but one or two instances. Of many more

I feel i have little good reason to dare trust any of my family (and i fully intend to continue finish writing a book on my reasons, to help explain why i feel i cant even afford to dare trust any of them)

Much like abishag. I can say how i feel i don’t even know my own family.

The worst bit is, it seems my family couldn’t even begin to care less how its also effected our kids.That is what i dislike the most.

But then that is whats to be expected, of brothers and sisters, who’s main focus is always been, based on their own interests, and on looking after their own skin. Specially when they grew up in a religious groups actively involved in promotion of such tactics

But then why would they be any different ?. When this world is also riddled with all these so called “real Christians” , who really couldn’t seem to even care-less about “acting” on these matters, either.

Actions speak louder than words. And we sure do see loads of Christians not even bothering to take any action at all.

Little wonder our family don’t care-less much either , is it ? . When they grew up in this world that is also brimming full of all these so called “real Christians” , who obviously couldn’t really care less,much either.

If the separation that the exclusive brethren have continually promoted, were to cease today. It still wont give us a decent chance at re-living our lives , in the way that other people’s lives have been lived. Will it ?

Fact is. If my exclusive brethren family were to suddenly arrive-again on my doorstep today. Like they did, back within the review. I’m not so sure i would even be so keen to give them another chance and make them feel welcome again , like i previously did back in the review.

Why should i ? be prepared to ever care to trust the honesty of any of these people, ever again. These liars for Jesus.

I see no real good reason whatsoever.

Christians believe in the ability of humans to be able to obtain life eternal. And thus this is why Christians also don’t see such good-reason, to need to care so-much about human earthly lives being wasted away by separation .

This is how little they care about our lives.

Christianity plays Russian roulette with our earthly lives. And yet these mind-dead theists, still cant seem to even begin to understand why a atheist should even see any real need, to still take an interest at all ,in what the theists believe.

That’s how simple-minded that faith makes many of them become.

Yet ,if the Taliban Islamist were to hang a bomb around some Christian’s neck. And then smiled at them and said. Hey Christian , just don’t worry about your earthly life.For don’t you understand how you should just try concentrating far-more, on how you will be able to gain the company of  77 virgins,over in paradise. By wearing this bomb

Then how will ? this Taliban Islamist’s faith-belief,have any effect in beginning to help make these Christians feel anymore happy ? about it.

It’s very unlikely to help , is it

Yet these stupid Christian fools, will still fully expect, that an atheist like me, should still feel quite happy, that the theist idiot’s have decided to wager our lives away, on a gamble that some Christian may obtain a place in eternity.

Go figure !

And very few will have enough brain-cells intact . To even begin to reason the reasons why it might be, that we might still care to take such a personal interest, in religious matters. Like we do

Its just way beyond there minds ability to fathom such things.

Because religion and faith in Gods, also has the brain-deadening effect of dissolving the human ability to reason and think in any real analytic way.A phenomena of which modern science has even provided us with evidence of.

The thing is many mainstream Christians are, much like exclusive brethren Christians also are .

Many simply don’t care to stop and think about how their beliefs, may also have an effect on others. They are all so busy being caught up in meditating on their own place in eternity.And even if they did care to try and stop and think , sadly their faith has already dissolved their ability to reason and think properly , in any real analytic manner,anyway

Thus they can’t even begin to fathom how their beliefs will still have effect on other people.

We are all in a big mess, with all these cult issues, and what not that still continue to exist today. Plaguing the earth like a curse

But is it any real wonder ? , when our societies have also been overrun, for so long, by all these brain-dead theists. Like it has

I think it little wonder

Idiot theists, like to suggest that without God , human life has no meaning.

Go figure !

These religious morons, must all faithfully believe , that us atheists would not likely see,any good reason to find “meaning” in earthly family life, at all.

And mainly because , their elder, or priest,had  said it were so

But then, that’s how thick their faith makes so many of them tend to become. Doesn’t it

I still say we can all be very thankful and glad, that the existence of theists, is still on the fast decline.


Oh you don’t ? much like the kind of tone, i choose to use, in what i write here today. You far rather ? i didn’t class the theist as thick idiots and suchlike

Look here sport .Let me explain. I’m not here to help prop up your ongoing-faith in how wonderful you feel your Christianity is . I’m not here to offer you theist more self indulgent pandering and back-scratching, like you yearn for .

For fact is .You all get more than enough of that already, while warming pews down at you local church group . That mainstream church of yours, full of faithful scum . Who all obviously care to take no real action at all ,to help us stop this ongoing problem

Why should i speak of any of you so kindly ? . While you care to do anything else ,but continually allow our lives to be ruined

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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