So says Ian .
Quote “They try to control communications and the access to information;
they try to suppress freedom of speech and freedom of thought; “end quote See here http://laurencemoffitt.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/kim-jong-hales-is-61-this-thursday.html#comment-form
I agree with Ian. I also think ex exclusive brethren can remain a little guilty of this same type of practice to some extent. Maybe Laurie Moffit would agree. These people who dislike the situation they now find themselves living under. Might do well to think deeply about how it might have first started off down that dangerous road.Because otherwise these sorts of situations have a way of just repeating themselves, time and time again.
I tried to warn ex exclusive brethren about suppression of freedom of speech when the site peebs net was running. Little doubt some had tried to warn the early exclusive brethren movement too. But too often there is people who don’t want to hear about it. Some may think they are just far too well-educated to ever be able to overlook any such things. So any average person trying to say anything, may tend to get ridiculed, or have abuse thrown their way.
Not that i can’t handle that. I don’t fold to these type people. In fact i hate these form of oppression so much, that these tactics only serve to help fire me up even more.
People who would long to experience freedom.While also still caring to help suppress it of others. May really need to think twice.
Because these folk may get to rule their little pet cults. But they still cannot shut us right down anymore.
Where ever Christians gather.Control and cult-like suppression almost always seem to tend to gather there too.
Then in due time, comes the growth of so called militant atheists.Who seek to suppress and serve-up Christians some of their own medicine.Next thing Christians start bleating about persecution. While still overlooking their own downfalls.
This is how lost some of these people can really be.They don’t seem to begin to understand reciprocity
Maybe in years to come, by then they might have learned themselves a jolly big lesson.
Hopefully they can change enough. Before their faith disappears.
These people need to remember many of we modern folk ,no longer live in “extreme fear” of some ancient holy books words, inspired by the war-lord like theist dictators of those ancient days. And we no longer see things as supernatural. Like ancient people thought they often saw everywhere. Like they did back in ancient superstitious times when Gods and deities were even said to cause earthquake, tsunami,hurricanes,famine,death and so much more
Just by reading holy books thoughtfully.We see how we read thoughts of ancient men.That’s why so many theists today, now also even see, how at least not all written within these books, can ever be thought of as actually being, word of God.
Quote “It is entirely proper for anyone of any faith or belief to speak out against harmful practices and harmful ideas, religious or not.” end quote
We agree. And ex exclusive brethren will love to bleat on about how the exclusive brethren like to suppress comments on their site and blogs that they don’t like hearing.
So then why ? don’t they care to lead the way forward in showing a good example. All too often they go so far , and then revert back to applying the same tactics they been busy accusing exclusive brethren of.
See how there still seems to be no reply to this particular comment Ian made.
Ian goes on to say
Quote “some people think it is basically wrong to criticise the Hales Brethren or other faith groups” end quote
We would like to remind Ian . That some obviously also think it wrong to criticize ex eb forum members comments too.
Yet how stupid to think that anyone can ever fully suppress it anyway. These days
Its pretty much no longer possible. Gone are the days when church can remain, like church has traditionally been. The four walls where human minds can be caused to remain totally oblivious to outside opinion.
Today the internet has broken down these walls. To allow other opinions in
Ian goes on to say
Quote “Any group that claims exemption from scrutiny and criticism is deeply suspect as far as I am concerned. ” end quote (my bold)
No kidding ! . So very true Ian
I mean it is one thing to suppress very abusive comments and things like that. But another thing to suppress comments that simply don’t agree with your own opinion. Or ones that may say things that someone don’t like hearing.
Ian goes on to say
Quote “Those who claim such exemption are also wildly unrealistic, because they are claiming something they have absolutely no chance of getting.” end quote (my bold)
These people don’t have a hope in hell of keeping things quiet.Try as they might
Did they ? even read and consider what Ian said in any real depth. Or was it like sitting in church.In one ear. Straight out the other ear. Without even computing anything in between
These folk will often discuss how the eb minds seem so hard to reach. Cause nothings computing.
Some things i read these people say, seem unbelievable. For instance they give the excuse that church folk just don’t know about the exclusive brethren cult. As if this is a great excuse why more mainstream church folk don’t decide to take action in trying to fix faith abuse.
Yet if instead it was need in Africa. Or if it even was people going hungry within their own town. Would the excuse be good enough? to be able to claim, that not enough Christians had known about it.
I mean to make these excuses even less valid. Is the fact that cult abuses have been ongoing now for many generations. How can that be excused by saying it wasn’t known about. Lets face it, Christians will actively look for other Christians ,so as to purposely remind them of people needs.
And people like Rev and Fisherman and the likes. Talk about the “real Christians” . As if Jesus would likely find these feeble excuses pleasing
Seems mind boggling that otherwise educated people. Would seem to overlook these things.
But seems like they need to believe in the idea of there being loads of these real Christians. Like it were about continually grasping the sacred cow
And they don’t want to hear otherwise. Cant even bear to contemplate the thought.
How will ? it ever change . If its true . If they wont dare consider it
I mean why the need to suppress these comments and questions . If there is no truth to such claims
They can easily be shown to be quite wrong ? cant they. Or not ? really
Man i so dislike feeling the need to even say these things i do. My dad spoke out publicly in church, about issues with James Taylor Jr bringing in the need for separation . I’m picking he really disliked doing so too.
You have this feeling like you are acting like a traitor .Because you still feel there is a connection remaining between yourself and those people you criticize.
I was only a baby in a pram, at the time when my dad criticized exclusive brethren antics in regards to James Taylor Jr. Yet somehow i have these weird visions of all the anger and arguments and anguish that went down over it all, at our main meeting room.All the congregation people’s stern, pious, serious looks. Who knows how that happened that i could even remember such things, while i were so very young. Maybe because it was so traumatic within our family at that time,since my dad also got told he had terminal cancer around the very same time too.
Some might say why? bother. I do understand that thought. But these situations can have such a huge ongoing effect of people’s lives. That i cant help feeling it real important , that things change. So other generations wont continue to experience it
Maybe if people had spoken out generations before.We might not have experienced it ourselves.