At wikipeebia, there is an ongoing discussion , with regards to Brethren survivor Joy Nason ,and her new book called Joy and Sorrow . See here http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=773
Evidently Joy had escaped from within the exclusive brethren, when she were aged 25 . See here http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/north-shore/i-was-raised-in-a-religious-cult-new-book-joy-and-sorrow-details-life-in-the-exclusive-brethren/story-fngr8h9d-1227499803951
And even at that age, she says how it, ” took her years to throw off the nightmares and shackles of fear that God would strike her dead.”
I can relate to that feeling too. When i finally decided to up and escape the exclusive brethren,around 6 months or so before i would turn 16 years of age. Doing so by jumping on my push bike,and just riding away some kilometers from home,off to a property that i already knew, was owned by my excommunicated sisters, husbands brother. Even right then at that very moment, as i rode off from home, i was already feeling the same form of fear that Joy Nason has described. The heart was racing, not from the bike ride, but because i was really riding off into the unknown. And my sister,or her husband and husbands in laws, had absolutely no knowledge of what i was doing. When i arrived at the shop-door which was a vegetable shop selling goods from their family’s market garden. I even had to introduce myself to them, to let them know who i was. Because i had had absolutely no contact with these people. Because we would not even stop to buy vegetables from within their shop.Because our cult ,and also our mum had seen these folk as being evil people, whom had been directly involved in some reasons why our own sister had chosen to leave. Our sister had left the eb cult (maybe 8 years earlier) , and since that time, at some stage had married this non-eb guy . And i had not seen, or spoken to our sister, since she had left
They didn’t even recognize me. I had to tell them who i was. And then they got in touch with my sister, for me. To have her come and pick me up, and whisk me away, to where my sister and brother in law lived. Later on in that afternoon. I finally rang our local priest, to tell him what i had done. Because i felt that i couldn’t just ring to tell our mum,myself. Because i knew how very upset she would be. And i loved our mum.We had both been shut-up at the time. And i didn’t want mum to be left feeling so alone. I thought if i tell the priests, then maybe they might then care, to go and be there for our mum. However i’m not sure that they did.At least i know our mum still continue to remain shut up, living on her own for some time. Because, those brethren folk, really are just not the caring loving kind of folk, that some non eb think they are. Specially back in those times. Judging evil ,and bullying folk with religious bullshit,was far more like their style . And love and kindness wasn’t meant to be a part of this.
To be honest. I kind of still feel guilty, about this way i left. But if i had told our mum about what i was about to do. I couldn’t have handled to see her cry. Fact is i had already been seeing her cry a whole heap. She would cry and cry, after the priest had left our home. She cried and cried due to the interrogation they were busily putting us both through . I had been this way for some time. I can’t recall exactly how long it was. But it had been happening for weeks.
Being shut up. Meant we had to live in our house all alone. As brethren we had no radio,no tv and so on.We were banned from contact with other eb,or eb church meetings And we were also not allowed to associate with any non-eb either, other than for day to day purpose of buying good at shops and so on . We could not even associate with our neighbors next door. And it was during the school holidays too
Anyway. One day i hope to be able to write more about all these experiences, in far more detail. But the point is, Joy is correct, it can feel like a kind of hell, in itself, for someone to decide to leave. And for very many years after i left the eb , i did still continue to feel the kind of fear that Joy describes. Sometimes late at night, when i ended up living way out on a large sheep and cattle station, i would lay in bed awake, unable to fall asleep, listening intently to the wind and rain howling outside, hearing distant noises within the night. And my mind would conjure up all manner of thoughts,and i’d remain ever fearful of devils and demons.Devils and demons that we eb folk,had been taught-to-believe exist
This problem didn’t help me with my working life either. Because as a shepherd, we were also expected to wake very early. Sometimes we were up at 3am, so as to catch and saddle our horse, before breakfast. And those non-eb folk on that farm,all slept easy. And had no way to understand, my reasons why i might not be as-rested, as they were all always able to be. And so i would be bullied for being like this.Among many other things
Anyway .I hope to explain more about all this stuff later on
Further on in the same wikipeebia thread “sect survivor” , Abishag has this to say
Quote: abishag Thu Aug 27, 2015 12:05 am “Hmmmmm – I’ll get howled down for this – but this is not Joy’s first foray into telling her story. So nothing particularly new here. But I wish that the real injustice of the EB could be told by people who really suffered more than the loss of family we have all endured. I thought Joy had four siblings in the UK who were not in the church – which is more than most of us. I witnessed first hand the suffering of fathers (some whom were driven to suicide) after being taken through the courts by the brethren -seeking custody of their children – and even when some of them won – the children were so badly poisoned by the Brethren that they never saw them again anyway. What about those who were molested as children whom the Brethren simply ignored – myself included. That sort of stuff never leaves you. There are some real stories out there that show this cruel sect up that goes far beyond simply being thrown out of your family and peer group. ”
I can relate to Abishag feeling of being “howled down” .In some respects. I feel some of these ex eb folk, have still remained little different from what the eb also are.Which is understandable Seems they really cannot begin to figure out ,how people’s lives, just don’t come cookie cutter style.Not all lives are the same. Some of these ex eb folk,have managed to escape the eb, with family lives that remained relatively stable, and somewhat intact. Some have left from within the eb, along with other members of their own family. While others, possibly had family outside the cult, whom were perhaps luckily not quite so “messed up”,psychologically . As some families will be.And so on
I know,my family, didn’t have any such luxury. Even if some of our relations were perhaps somewhat luckier in that regards. I have some relations whom left the eb,as a complete family. They have fared far better
Do these folk? understand what kind of difference this can make. These “highly educated” folk. Like? Ian Mckay.
Or? Jill Mytton . See here http://wikipeebia.com/jill-mytton-profile/
As an “educated professional” . How? come she doesn’t help to explain this. Is? it because she were lucky able, to be able to leave along with her own parents, perhaps. And so cannot imagine what it might have been, if it had happened differently.And then perhaps? she also didn’t have that sort of stuff explained to her, within her profession
Who knows ?
But by hell, it’s a real bugger, that we don’t have some sort of “professional” among us ex eb ,whom can be able to help to explain why it is, that the “demeanor” of a number of us ex eb, may tend to seem so foreign, to some other ex eb . Whom are different
Some cop the flak for it.Which is exactly why Abishag was worried about, in saying that he might get “howled down”
And it sucks. It stinks . Perhaps? some ,whom Abishag is worried about ,ought to learn how to think outside the square.
Lets face it,some highly educated folk ,can still tend to be acting like they are fools, sometimes . Yes? . No ?
How? else can it be explained , that people like Gorge Bush , can end up getting his country,involved in wars, that might have been far-best avoided. How? else can it be explained, that some highly educated folk,involved in important jobs of running countries monetary systems, had some how allowed their own country, to end up within monetary recession
God ? dunnit
Now i know these educated folk wont ever like me saying these sorts things. How dare i ? . How dare? i question the big wigs . By crikey, it’s nearly? as bad as what it might also feel ,that some poor lowly eb ,might ever dare to be caught questioning Bruce Hales . Just imagine the outrage
Their feelings have been set-up so high and almighty. That it’s just far too painful, to deal-with
And someone like me ,is promptly considered as a rebel . Should i dare
Am i? ,so worried . Do you see me? cowering in fear
Then further on in this same thread,over on the next page, on Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:10 am we read this said, in a comment from wikipeebia member named Balaam’s Ass
“No flak from me either abishag, I quite understand your point, however I feel that a cool, calm, rational telling of a story is possibly more believable than a ranting, raving, badly disaffected former member speaking of atrocities. It’s possibly easier to believe (we are still waiting for the book – and the follow up TV interviews? – by the man abused in the way you speak of) and places an increased awareness of the EB in the public’s mind.
Little steps. Little steps. It’s a yes from me.”
This member is keen to make the demand that we would all stay “cool calm and rational”, when we have lived among these kind of folk . But one wonders, how rational? is that kind of demand . Does? living under insanity help reap sanity . Always ? . With everyone ?
And this demand coming from someone, whom it would seem? to me, might have been lucky enough to have had their roots set among those nasty horrid soft frost folk. As if this would then help to make their opinion so valid
Maybe? Baalam doesn’t need to miss his children every week. Like some other ex eb do
It seems possible that Balaam came from the soft frost, when i read some of what else he had previously said, over on another wikipeebia thread
Quote: Balaams Ass Mon Dec 16, 2013 4:52 am “I had to smile at the heading of this topic! A few years ago the late Roger Stott turned up at a ‘Soft Frost Brethren’ Gospel preaching that both his mother and my mother attended.
He reported that he was well received and everyone seemed pleased to see him, except my mother who gave him a cool reception. He added “But she was probably the only one being honest!” . See here http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=403&start=10
What? the……. By crikey …. Maybe? Balaams Ass looses so much sleep at night,”haunted” with lingering bad-memories , of being denied his right to go to some worldly barbecues , or something . And so had sometime got the cold shoulder treatment , from his mum . Dreadful huh …. Like a real living hell on earth
If we all grew up among those soft frost folk. Then maybe? we might also all figure that the “Little steps. Little steps” approach, is just fine too . Right?
Why cant? someone like Balaams Ass, see there is in fact , quite a bit of a difference here . Among all us ex eb
And this person ,even has the gall, to say, “I feel that a cool, calm, rational telling of a story is possibly more believable than a ranting, raving, badly disaffected former member speaking of atrocities”
As if this person might have ability to really know exactly how some other folk, whom may have had very different experiences, might happen to be forced to need to live and feel
Like .Whenever the public happen to see and hear on the news on Tv, some angry and unhappy survivors within the ongoing wars. Do we? really stop and think to ourselves, see how those folk have lost the “cool calm” demeanor !! . See them folk “ranting and raving” about how very unhappy they all feel … So therefore i cant take any of what those folk have to say, seriously.
No . No way .
I’m thinking, perhaps? a new forum name change from Balaam’s Ass. Might be appropriate
You just continue to say it !!! like it is Abishag
Dare to be a Daniel
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