Trinity Lands

Quote ” If a fruit business owns $209 million worth of assets and earns $31 million a year, should it pay tax?

You would think so, but this operation we’re talking about isn’t paying a cent. Why? Because it’s a charity.

So Story decided to investigate how much charity it’s actually doing.

“This is a commercial operation, trading in a commercial market, making a net surplus and not paying income tax,” says charities expert Michael Gousmett.

The charity that owns the property is called Trinity Lands. It’s Brethren-run. Its purpose is to “promote the spread of the Christian gospel”, and it’s got plenty of material possessions to help it to spread the good word.

The charity owns 6400 hectares of land. It’s the fifth-biggest shareholder in kiwifruit exporter Zespri.

If it weren’t a charity, Trinity Lands would have paid $1.2 million in tax last year alone.

“That’s $1.2 million in revenue that the Government has not got from a commercial operation,” says Mr Gousmett.

He thinks it’s wrong that big businesses run as tax-exempt charities at all, and he thinks it’s time we changed a law dating back to 1892.

“I don’t think the Parliamentarians in 1892 foresaw that we would have commercial operations of this scale claiming to be charitable and therefore exempt from income tax.”

Between 2012 and 2014, Trinity Lands gave $4.3 million in donations. That’s just a little bit more than it gave in business to its directors and executives or organisations they’re involved in.

In other words, the people who run the charity are getting as much money, albeit in business, as charitable causes are.

The Department of Internal Affairs has received a complaint about the charity and has decided to launch a review of Trinity Lands. “

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You can read some more about this story here too ,if you feel like it. And you can even view  the actual story-news video on that same page as well ,that were aired on TV, some days ago now http://www.3news.co.nz/tvshows/story/charity-or-business-orchard-runs-tax-free-operation-2015082518#axzz3jrRQh04D

 

I can’t be totally sure, however i have a feeling, that the brethren church,in which this group of people are likely to be connected with. May? even be a group publicly known, as the open brethren

However, i intend to admit here, that i could still be mistaken about that . But for instance ,see here , a copy of a google screen-shot, that i have just captured

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On-farm – Dairy Exporter Magazine

www.dairyexporter.co.nz/article/26943.html

The Dairy Exporter is New Zealand’s leading dairying magazine. … Farm Location: Tokoroa Owners: Ian and Margaret Elliott Sharemilkers: One herd 50:50, second … of the Christian/Open Brethren from the greater Waikato and Bay of Plenty area. LichfieldLands own three dairy farms 3km from the Elliott family dairy farm.

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And as far as i can make out ,this here would also seem to be the original url link to this page  http://www.dairyexporter.co.nz/article/26943.html in which, i had thought that i previously read .

But i cannot? seem to even open it up, right now at this present moment in time, that im writing this blog post. Why? that might happen, i really don’t understand at all . To me, it almost seems like, maybe this page ,has now been removed some how ?

But who really knows for sure. Cyber space can be tampered with. Sometimes money talks, maybe??

Who really? knows for sure . We are often left to need to wonder. To try to guess whats actually going on here. To try to figure stuff out,as best we feel we can

All i know , is that the other day, i did seem to be able to open up this page.And that is why i had thought to copy the link.

Anyway

 

My only personal experience, with a couple of members of one open brethren group, was when one of my ex eb brothers, had invited me, to stop-in on a trip (of our’s) when we were both heading up north together. And we had both stopped-in to pay a visit with a relation of ours, whom (as far as im aware) is even still a church member, among an open brethren congregation

And that particular visit of ours, went along something like this , of what i will now do my best, to describe to you, here below :

We had stopped-in to their place for a quick cuppa tea or coffee.And it was my very first experience of even meeting this blood relation of ours. Sharing a cuppa-together, for starters, did feel a little strange at first . Considering my own experiences, of what the members of the exclusive brethren-kind, are generally usually like, with regards to ever even daring to share a cuppa , with people worldly outsiders, whom don’t belong to their own group cult.

So it had seemed to me,right at that particular moment, that maybe at least we might be off to a good? start. And if i remember correctly, i think we were even offered some snacks to eat together too .Sweet as. I remember how i was thinking crikey, if these are some open brethren relations of ours.Then hey, i think i’m kind of really liking them.These folk seem not so bad . In fact they do seem pretty alright, to me right now

The conversation then soon turned to the family connection .For indeed this lady was also one of our own aunts, from on our own mother’s side of the family tree. And someone whom i was now meeting for the very first time too, in my whole life. Even though this aunt,at this date in time, would have already been somewhere around 80 years of age (at a calculated guess) . I still had never gotten to meet this aunt, ever before that moment

Such is the level of separation ,demanded within certain groups of Christians. Of which the exclusive brethren, are but one such group, that will make some kind of demand of separation

Anyway the conversation soon led-on from one thing to another. And so soon enough it got onto the subject of faith too. And thus Christianity as well to boot. And naturally soon-enough the next question soon was , “are you saved ? , and do? you believe that Jesus Christ is God” . And so on

Or some other words, to much the same effect anyway

I fell silent . Being an atheist.And mostly out of respect too.Simply because, we were in fact , actually in someone else’s home. As visitors , of a kind. Growing up , we could still feel like a visitor, even when we were within our own relations home. Because family relationships, were never meant to become too-close . Too “natural” . Too “loving” .

For that feeling was supposed to be retained for Jesus. Over and above everything else

And with me not being someone who enjoys lying. Then i didn’t just “say i was Christian” , so as to help keep the peace.No way. And obviously ,most specially, in regards to a subject, like this most important subject obviously is .

 

Hey i mean, lets not bother to try to beat around the bush here. Lets cut the crap, and just be bluntly honest about this. All those many churches, will already have more than enough liars ,quietly co-existing among all their congregations. Sitting silent about their own disbelief, so as to help keep the peace.Some just feeling far too afraid, to even dare to just be too-honest , about matters like this. Knowing full well, what the outcome, is most likely to be like ,if they ever did

Oh so you? feel you don’t want to believe me about that fact  .  Really ? … Well then ,why not go take a good look around some site’s like this one here http://new.exchristian.net/ .. Look around ,i’ll wager, that you’ll soon enough find stories, that will suggest, that i’m not so-wrong, after all

(Christianity has that strange almost “traditional” ability,to help breed plenty of liars. Among the congregations. Which isn’t so surprising ,is it? really . Considering that there also has always been threat of consequences of shunning and persecution ,existing and being constantly held above everyone’s head, should anyone ever dare buck the trend)

Anyway . Soon enough my christian brother explained to this aunt of ours, that i was actually an atheist

Well

That was it. The shit hit the fan then . Suddenly i’m sitting there quietly, while im getting a lecture (that to me felt more like a tongue lashing), about hell and damnation.And so forth.You know ,the most usual traditional “Christian-love” kind of thing . Being told about how i will be likely to suffer.Tremendously

Being told about how sad my own mother would also be likely to feel too (IE: laying on the usual traditional guilt trip as well) . And so on

And to boot . My own brother,also just sits there,meekly, and acting quiet as a wee contrite mouse, and he chooses to say next to nothing (himself) in my defense.

And yet within our tribal ancestor roots ,those folk had once used to really value family loyalty. And ones own flesh and blood, had once really meant something, that were thought as worthwhile, so long ago

 

But alas . No longer so

 

Hey,it’s not that i’m even all so surprised of this attitude of his either. I mean its most certainly not the first time ,that ive experienced this brother of mine, decide to just stand by silently,cowering like a lamb, while one of his fellow believer-friends , chooses to get real busy, with an act of verbally openly abusing and berating me.And i’m standing there trying to refrain from anger, out of some misplaced and religiously-distorted form of respect that ive grown. Seems religion ,and most specially the Christian kind ,has an amazing ability, to help turn ones own flesh and blood, into a kind gutless phenomena.A breed where flesh and blood constantly loses value, upon being overrun by belief in God. A class of people ,so highly focused on the end goal of obtaining life eternal for themselves , that they will almost quite happily decide to just look away ,while their own flesh and blood were being blatantly slaughtered (metaphorically speaking that is)

And over the generations believers, have constantly held this form of lowliness, in such?? high regard too

So one wonders , why oh why?, do those ex eb folk on wikipeebia ,have any real expectation , that many of their eb relations. might really one day think to stop and really care ? , to bother to think about their own flesh and blood, outside their cult .

Those folk have been trained to focus entirely, on achieving the end goal too. Even if that goal don’t exist . And in much same way, that Hitler had also trained many human minds, to decide to focus entirely on the end goal,rather than the cost involved ,in their cooperative hope of obtaining it

 

 

What? kind of misinformed, religiously distorted, wishful thinking ,is this then

Don’t? they even begin to realize as yet, just how long, religion has always been getting real busy ,with constantly helping to turn so many human hearts, into stone

“Real” Christians ? …Pffffftttttttt …. What a joke . A lovely heartwarming buzz word,is about all that amounts to, designed for Christian to all pass around among the throng. And even if it would be based on bullshit. Hey it still sounds kind of lovely , don’t it ?,to still be able to at least continually hear it being said,from time to time

A kind of re-affirming mantra. Like mantra’s once constantly recited by some of Hitler most loyal crew too. Mantra that can serve to help warm the heart,and help quicken the spirit ,and even if based on lies

If ? there are so many “real” Christians around in this world. Then how? oh how come, can these cults still continue to have an ability to still exist…Like they do. And can continue? to ruin lives …Even still in? this year 2015

When will? some more of these folk, begin to wake-up to the reality ,that these cults can only continue to exist, in this year 2015 ,simply because of some other “real” Christian’s interests, that are also constantly helping to prop these cults interests up

Now i do fully expect to be totally disliked, for even daring to still be saying any of these kind of things, what im still saying here . But so be it . Let the haters hate me. And let some of them continue to call me crazy too if they like to.

But calling me crazy, still wont ever help, to free members of their families,from within these cults . Will it?

 

 

And most specially not , if i’m right, in saying what i’m constantly suggesting here

Do these ex eb folk? really still think, that members of the exclusive brethren , wont also know, that they are not the only group around town ,whom will all enjoy sharing this ability to be able to get a form of power , over some other folk around them

Surely? some folk will be understanding this

Christianity has long been existing like a huge extended club.Pretty much right from the beginning.And specially since the time that Roman Emperor Constantine the Great reigned. It’s since been allocated the kind of power, to be able to become a bit like it’s a religious gang

And hey, we know how even those gangs, will sometimes be known to also decide to coöperate together. So as to work toward a common goal. Like ,such as fighting aspects of government ,for the cooperative right, of gangs, to be able to still continue to survive and exist forever more

And so, for every one letter that some ex cult member sends-in ,to the charity commissioners , that speaks out against abusive cults being continually allowed to claim charity status…Then i’m quite willing to wager. That you can bet your bottom dollar… That there will surely also possibly be ten others ,also being constantly sent in, by some of these other “real” Christian folk, from-within the ranks of some of these other Christian groups. Making constant demands that nothing should ever be changed

Yes … you bet ya

 

Oh yeah . I understand that this sounds rather horrid to even need to hear spoken. This sounds horribly unpalatable to the Christian taste bud’s. Especially when this kind of message, is being delivered, by one of those lowly scum atheists . Like me

Really gets some of those theists jumping

right-wing-jump

But how does that “emotional feeling” of such distaste.And hatred of atheists. Ever help? to prove how my suggestion, is actually so-wrong (and hey, im merely only making a suggestion here, i’m publicly sharing a personal opinion of mine. And if my suggestion is so wrong ,so out of line ,why? would any Christian have any valid reason to need to feel such hatred, of even hearing it said)

So who? among the ex eb Christian rank has got any better explanation , to use to help explain,valid reasons why it is ,that these abusive cults, are indeed still able ,to continue to destroy people s lives . Like they still do

Even in 2015

 

Maybe some people might best begin to wake up and start to smell the roses.No?

 

Just saying  http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=775

 

 

Please note . This blog post,is only intended to publicly expresses my own personal opinions. I choose to write what i’m saying here, within my right to have freedom of speech. I do not intend to be accusing or criminalizing anyone personally, or to single-out any one particular religious group either. My intention is only to question the overall situation at hand.To try to help spark more conversation, and debate, surrounding this general issue. To try to figure out, how come some people’s lives on earth, are even still continually being ripped apart, like they obviously can be sometimes,by some somewhat unsavory aspects religion. And to wonder how that can be able to continue to happen, even still in this modern year 2015. Seems to me, that something would surely seem? to have gone really wrong somewhere

 

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About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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