Faith Healing


“THURSDAY Gov. C.L. “Butch” Otter held a breakfast with the Idaho Press Club, where he announced he was calling on legislative leadership to form a committee to study faith healing and child deaths. Otter emphasized he does not want to restrict religious freedom. His announcement came less than a day after Boise Rep. John Gannon, who has been interested in the issue for the past couple of years, dropped off his proposed bill to amend the exemption to the Senate Health and Welfare Committee. It also coincided with a forum that was held at the Capitol Thursday evening, featuring a panel of speakers who support amending the current law, which exempts faith-healing parents from prosecution if their children die.

A few lawmakers attended, including Sen. Lee Heider, R-Twin Falls, chairman of Health and Welfare on his side of the rotunda. A few people talked about their own experiences, including Brian Hoyt, who grew up in a Followers of Christ family in the Boise area with, from his description, abusive parents and adults around him. He described being told, as a 5-year-old, that the baby who died in his arms died because he didn’t pray hard enough. He talked about his brother, whose broken leg was set with 2-by-4s and bungee cords. When the leg looked crooked, he said, the church elders broke it again to reset it. When Hoyt himself broke bones in his foot after trying out for wrestling in middle school, “I was told this was God’s vengeance on me because I was dealing with people who were not of the faith.” Two weeks later, his parents brought him to the doctor, wearing the same pair of pants because his foot was so swollen he couldn’t take them off.
“This is not about freedom of religion,” Hoyt said. “This is about freedom from abuse and neglect, flat out. I don’t care what faith your flavor is, that is abuse, plain and simple.”

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Get real .


Exactly .

1.Human right to have freedom from harm . Obviously also needs to be a human-right, that is upheld “first and foremost“.

2.So therefore it follows on from that,that the idea that freedom of religion could ever be something that would be able to be upheld. Was never nothing more, than a pipe dream

And yet faith abuses are still far too common. The exclusive brethren and the renton brethen groups , still have more than enough company.

Even though it is now 2016

I seen some people make the claim, that Christianity, is based on empathy and compassion

If that be so. Then how? come so many of these extremely nasty sorts of abuses, can still find room to exist within the realm of Christianity.

In the comment section, that follows this article . Someone commenting there, has this to say


jjfisher Feb 15, 2016 6:05am

Religious freedom is one thing but if it endangers a minor child it is child abuse, pure and simple”

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Exactly. Religion cannot include stuff that endangers people. Therefore : freedom of religion is an impossibility

If only there were more honest-theists , whom were more willing, to just cut to the chase, and come clean and just admit-it

If only there were more mainstream Christians , whom cared enough (empathy) to want to take-action , to write letters and even personally approach government officials, to offer support for change. To offer support, so that these wrongs might then have more-chance to finally be put right

Because ive seen plenty of Christians, constantly laying a claim, suggesting that Christianity, is foundered on “empathy” . Folks like Fisherman.Ian McKay. Peter Harrison . And others

So Christianity is foundered on empathy. Then how come? it constantly helps to harbor, this kind of harm

By being so silent about these issues

By showing such little interest in these kind of issues

These kind of abuses. Are still far to common


How the hell could that have happened?. If it is true that Christianity has been the flowing milk and honey, of empathy

To claim that Christianity is foundered on empathy. Is also for a Christian to claim that it has been a “caring thought” for Christian worldwide ,to have thought to continue to  allowed that these kind of abuses, would retain the “right” to continue in this manner ,as they have

We see so little discussion on these ongoing Christian faith abuses.

1 .How? many times have ever seen the Pope bothering to discuss them

2. Dose? the Pope discuss the plight of these Children,even half as much as he bothers to bleat-on about how many Christians are getting killed by Muslim

The Pope can be seen to constantly demand the Muslim would show more empathy.When the Pope still hasn’t even helped to begin to clean up his own nest properly,as yet

What a bunch of hypocrite so many of these professing Christian folk seem to be

Meanwhile loads of ex eb , are busy with still fully expecting, that some how it might be, the cult members, whom might suddenly step-forward and lead the way

A miracle



About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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