I often feel like i can see a pretty constant flow of evidence that continually seem to help confirm how often faith can tend become a great hindrance to people ability to reason things through
For instance.Take a look at a conversation like this one here http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1044
Where some ex eb theist folk are busy with discussing issues of marriage equality in Australia.
On that thread we can see how Peter Flynn has this to say
But the term which irritates me the most is “marriage equality”. My interpretation of that is the equal status of the man and the woman in a marriage. By definition, to me, marriage is of necessity between a man and a woman. End of story. However, the advocates for same-sex marriage have very skilfully adopted the phrase “marriage equality” to mean that a “marriage” between a man and woman OR between a couple of the same sex has equal status.
Maybe? they had “skilfully adopted the phrase “marriage equality”, because the crux of this matter, has something directly to do with issues of marriage equality.
That might easily help to explain their valid reason for choosing to adopt this phrase. Gay folk are saying that it come down to a matter of equality.
Of course Peter is somewhat unlikely to even feel like this inequality might in fact exist.Because, so happens, that only type of extra-close relationship that Peter personally ever experiences, will only ever be of a heterosexual relationship type .
And so perhaps this also help to explain why it might also tend to amount to the “End of story” , as far as Peter is concerned personally
Peter (to me) seems quite concerned that those gay folk would even dare to ask to enjoy equal rights. How dare? that these folks demand for fairer treatment.
Of course Bruce Hales might be likely to tend to also agree too. Like how? dare any ex member would ever even be heard to stand-up and make demand for any fairer treatment.
How dare they,how dare they, if they are within the minority
Any issue of separation doesn’t affect Bruce Hales so-personally.Just as this issue of marriage equality also doesn’t need to effect Peter so-personally either
But allowing same sex marriage. Wont do anything to hinder any heterosexual people’s ability to get married. And it’s not like same sex marriage, will force heterosexual folk to become gay either
Yet folk like Peter still cannot begin to see why some might have begun to see them as acting homophobic.
Balaam’s Ass later said this
I heard something on the radio this morning that made me smile. A lady said “I can’t see the problem. If there’s a change in the law, it will make gay people happy. If straight people don’t like it, don’t marry a gay person. So everyone’s happy!”
So true. If heterosexual people don’t even like the idea of gay marriage. The gay folk are making no demand that they would ever need to be forced to do so .
So whats? the big problem here then
I put it to Peter. That the problem is that some folks like you are still trying to retain ways to rule over the lives of other folk around you choose to live
A few comments later in this same thread . We hear from PeterF
PeterF discusses the idea of moral decline . However he at least admit, that judgement of moral decline is “subjective and dependent” to what kind of moral code people choose to follow.Most usually the code will also parallel the very same code of our parents. Faith is often kind of cultural. So we thus obviously have no totally objective way in which to decide. Best we can do , is to try our best to continue to learn through all ongoing experiences (social science) and so on
PeterF also seems to feel, that life should be run via vote of majority rule. He feel that because it’s the minority who is making these demands for marriage equality, then this minority should perhaps just learn how to “shut-up and accept” the majorities choice (rule)
Did ? PeterF even think to also apply his same ideas, to the plight of us ex ebs also. Because we (ex eb’s) are among a type of minority as well too
In another comment, later on, PeterF says “I dont demand anything from anyone, acceptance recognition or space.”
Really ? . So you mean? you would also make no demand,in regard to the issue that marriage should need to remain as choice only available to heterosexual folk.
Hundreds of Christian will also have faith that they make no-demands. However too-often these folk are blissfully overlooking demands that they will actually help to uphold
Next we hear from someone called Humbled . Humbled proceed to humbly directly associate and compare the life of a deceitful adulterer , with the lives of some people who is merely choosing to just live their lives happily in same sex marriages
As if ? the two can ever be compared in any just/fair manner . Theists? are supposed to care about justice
1.On one hand we had a sly married priest who was caught while messing around in a rude and crude and uttermost blatantly adulterous manner.
2.While on the other hand, there was two people of the same sex, whom are merely living their life happily together within an openly gay relationship
Yet for some reason , it seems? that Humbled is still unable to even begin to see that there is in fact any real difference between the two different situations ive discribed.
The lives of some openly gay couples, are being directly compared here to the sly adulterous relationships of people whom were caught trying to pretend to be, what they were not
I feel, that theists do seem to often lack an ability to reason well.
How could ? this person Humbled , have even managed to completely overlook this difference,if it is not for the fact that he/she most-likely just didnt even really bother to “reason” things through properly first of all (because theists are apt to so-often live their lives through-faith)
Theist method of reasoning is most often faith-based. That is that they
1 .First start their approach from the very point of where they will finally want to end up
2. then skip through need for in-depth contemplation of all the checks and balance (reasoning)
3. Move on .Come straight to their preferred conclusion, based on the “faith” that has already been passed-on to them,via other faithful folk
That works fine for them.Right up until such time, as they may find how their conclusion are being “questioned” and “shown-up” as wrong
Meanwhile theists are also still busy with trying to tell us atheists, that it is in fact “God himself” whom is directly behind helping to impart human knowledge and human-consciousness
If that is correct ?.
Then how come?, it also seem to be the “theist God-believing folk” whom more often than not, do also seem “rather slow” to even be able to begin to “reason” or fully comprehend some of these kind of issues
If it is God whom impart knowledge. Then we might ? surely also have good reason to fully expect, that perhaps it would also be likely to be the theist folk too, whom should then also be able to display how they would-have a far-superior sense of knowledge and suchlike
However .We really don’t see any evidence in that respect
If anything, there is in fact loads of evidence,continually amounting, that do seem to suggest the opposite might apply
In the comment that i saw were made by the person named Humbled. They had said this
As a sinner I am good at that and also of twisting scripture and facts to suit my opinion.
The irony with that is ,that even as a theist, the theist still also has a certain abilty to easily find ways in which to twist facts,so as to suit their own-faith