start out with NOTHING ,absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING

Quote : 

 

The only thing that makes any sense to me ,that you can start out with NOTHING ,absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING ,is that there has to be some supernatural force OUTSIDE the created sphere that initiated the whole process…and that’s as close as I can get my head around it

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1120

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No wonder theists remain so lost. Mostly they only ever hear all the stuff they learned, being discussed within the four walls of their churches religious echo-chambers

Scientist dont even say they know for sure that there was “absolutely NOTHING”

Poor Fisherman, he’s still busy helping to spread misinformation.Meanwhile he likes to pretend that he is someone who’s interested in facts

He can often be seen busily suggesting that the exclusive brethren might learn to look at the facts . Learn to get their facts right . Learn to educate their exclusive brethren children with the factual truth. Like in regards to James Taylor jr, and Aberdeen incident , and so on

 

lobotomy

 (Fisherman : “absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING”)

 

Fisherman keeps banging-on about this idea how there was “absolutely NOTHING” before the big bang. Little doubt that Fisherman is busily spreading this kind of misinformation among children he know’s too

Fisherman might do well to try and get the facts . Does he? really think scientists can even have some way to see back past the big bang

Perhaps theists like Fisherman might do well to think a little more about this.

If scientist cannot see back past the big bang.If in fact scientists can only see back as far as the first few moments after the big bang Then how? the hell could they even know, for sure, so as to be able to say there was nothing, “absolutely NOTHING” before the bang

They cannot. Its impossible (as yet anyway) . Use of a little common sense should soon enough help anyone to be able to figure out why (perhaps unless they are theists,some of whom don’t often seem to bother with using any)

And so therefore scientists whom are interested in fact’s, also wont ever say that they know this for sure

This is just misinformation . Information that theist have taken out of context  (sometime so as to serve their own agenda)

Scientist do have a few ideas (theory’s) in mind.

For one instance, Stephen Hawking  has had this to say:

Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there’s no way one could measure what happened at them.

and then later on in his essay he says this

It seems that Quantum theory, on the other hand, can predict how the universe will begin. Quantum theory introduces a new idea, that of imaginary time. Imaginary time may sound like science fiction, and it has been brought into Doctor Who. But nevertheless, it is a genuine scientific concept. One can picture it in the following way. One can think of ordinary, real, time as a horizontal line. On the left, one has the past, and on the right, the future. But there’s another kind of time in the vertical direction. This is called imaginary time, because it is not the kind of time we normally experience. But in a sense, it is just as real, as what we call real time.

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

 

end quotes (my bold)

So here we see even Stephen Hawking say before the big bang cannot be observed. Therefore it follow,that scientists also cannot know for sure if in fact there was absolutely nothing

To say they did, is due to theists ignorance at best.And almost borders-on willful deceitfulness too (because this information is available.If only theists would care to take enough time to go looking for it)

Theist whom propagate this idea (specially among children) are therefore helping to spread misinformation.

They are very much like exclusive brethren whom choose to stay ignorant of the facts about James Taylor jr and Aberdeen too (as enough of this kind of factual information is also readily available as well,however most exclusive brethren dont care to go looking for it)

disgrace unto Christianity

Its far too soon, (as yet anyways), for us to be able to say we know for sure, how this universe (we live in) might have came about . In future ,we might be able to figure some more things out about that

Here is another idea (theory) that some scientists are now considering as well too

Quote :

(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein’s theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp

 

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Seems to me , Fisherman seem to actively display this strange phenomena of having “absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING”

As it seem he have “absolutely no idea” of what the scientists actually said. However Fisherman can still seem to come up with “something out of this nothing” (some weird idea’s of his own, that still seem to remain eternally-cemented within his head)

 

If he make demand that exclusive brethren should care to consider the facts.

Then maybe? he might do-well to also care to consider taking his own advice as well too

 

Fisherman had also had this to say too, at the end of that same comment he made on wikipeebia

Quote :

The heavens declare the glory of God’ as the ancients concluded on seeing the night sky in the desert on cold clear night ,probably sitting around a fire of dried camel dung

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1120

end quote (my bold)

Sure . And the ancients evidently had also concluded too, that burning-bushes, snakes and donkeys can talk .

This is how easily-led the minds of these ancient folk were

Just because ancient folk might have believed something .Back in times long ago,times when depth of peoples ignorance was obviously far-easier for certain people to be-able to exploit.Times so long ago, when people were still trying to even figure out if in fact God’s were the force behind all kind of phenomena they experienced and tried to figure-out, like earthquake,tsunami,lightning-bolts and tornado and so on

Is not necessarily good enough reason that we also should still continue to do today as well too

 

 

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About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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