The Bullshit of Religious Freedom

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It is fair enough to say the JW group is extreme, harmful to individuals and harmful to family and social cohesion. It is opposed to modern knowledge, learning, science and some branches of medicine. It teaches an extreme form of fundamentalism and exercises an oppressive control over its members. In most of these ways it is almost as extreme as Exclusive Brethrenism.

So to ban it would seem a good idea, except for one thing: this would erode the longstanding guarantee of religious freedom, and would set a controversial precedent. Who would be next?

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=564&start=20

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On the one hand here Ian seem to imply that

1. There has been some  longstanding guarantee of religious freedom which has as yet to experience any form “erosion”

But then on the other hand Ian had also already implied

2. that the JW’s exercises an oppressive control over its members (beliefs )

These two statement form a contradiction

1.If JW’s beliefs were oppressed .

2.Then where? was their longstanding “guarantee” of religious freedom 

Religious freedom is never no more than a pipe dream .Theist must need to adopt use of a type of mental gymnastic’s so as to still enable themselves to be able to continue to “faithfully believe” and also therefore pretend otherwise

These are some of the feeble foundations of this sad horrid situation. Mental gymnastic’s

 

 

In contradiction of Ian’s claimed longstanding guarantee of religious freedom,  the United States commission of civil rights group had instead had to say about the situation

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The phrases ‘religious liberty’ and ‘religious freedom’ will stand for nothing except hypocrisy so long as they remain code words for discrimination, intolerance, racism, sexism, homophobia, Islamophobia, Christian supremacy or any form of intolerance,” Martin Castro, chairman of the commission, said in a statement included in the 296-page report.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/penny-starr/civil-rights-commission-religious-liberty-religious-freedom-code-words

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They were intent on pulling no punches and just saying it like they feel it’s been. No games . No interest of entering into use of mental gymnastic’s .

 

 

And however yet again on wikipeebia  within that very same thread had had this to say on Sun Apr 23, 2017 8:28 am

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I wouldn’t want the EB banned because I believe in freedom of belief. I do not believe in freedom of action. People’s beliefs do not need to be for the public good and in any case, who would decide that? Teresa May or Donald Trump? Or even PeterF or The Questioner?

None of that is the same as them having tax support as in the UK and other places.

 

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But the exclusive brethren beliefs do indeed also incorporate some actions .

To say I wouldn’t want the EB banned because I believe in freedom of belief”

Is a little bit like someone saying well “I wouldnt ever want to see Hitler being regulated or subdued , because i also happen to believe the freedom of human life”

The idea of banning regulating oppressive groups like the exclusive brethren, doesnt necessarily erode freedom of religion any more than what the idea of regulating Hitler might also need to erode the right of human freedom of life

Consider these thoughts again.

1.Through the war effort against Hitler (the leader of Hitler-cult and all his faithful followers) was thus actively regulated . And that this regulation of Hitler his henchmen then also helped to allow far more humans to then be able to enjoy a far more positive freedom of life

2 So there is no good reason to expect it might necessarily need be so-different in regard to any regulation of any oppressive religious group’s either

 

Theist  also like to apply a good dose of the scavenger’s trade as well too . For use of that “extra” effect on people’s mind (fear factor)

For instance, like this

“People’s beliefs do not need to be for the public good and in any case, who would decide that? Teresa May or Donald Trump? Or even PeterF or The Questioner?”

Here the questioner try to create (for us) “a vision” of this fearsome slippery slope that we might suddenly need to be faced with . Spoken as if we are not already being faced with one anyway?

Because, in another life,yes indeed it might just as easily have been someone totally different, such as someone like Teresa May or Donald Trump? Or even PeterF or The Questioner? who might have been able to become top dog of the exclusive brethren cult

Instead of it being Bruce Hales who had happen to seize control

 

So we dont ever get to actually escape this need to face the situation of a slippery slope .

However there is also no evidence to suggest that it cannot be done in a far more appropriate orderly manner. The same way we (society) are also being faced with other slippery slope issues of life ,such as building codes or road codes and so on

So these theist might do well to stop with playing around with metal gymnastic’s . Or perhaps? they are doing us all a great disservice by not caring to do so

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Fisherman also “tap dances” around the truth .The man would like to admit the fact, that idea of freedom of belief, is pretty much impossible to uphold .

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The problem arises when these ‘freedoms ‘ cross the line and impact the lives of other people. One of the challenges of people emigrating to this country is them trying to excercise the ‘rights’ and practices of their old country.Sharia law might be acceptable where they came from, but not here. You can’t beat a woman in this country for not covering her face

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They want to admit it. Accept for the fact that that might then also serve to start to curb their own right to become dominant  

So  instead they rather choose  to revert to use of tactic of  scaremonger  (warning us of the slippery slope, hoping that this warning might serve to help make-us overlook the thought that we are already being faced with a type of dangerous slippery slope anyways.)

 

on Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:14 am  says quote

As for Euthanasia how long will it be until mandatory euthanasia is acceptable? Those incapable of adding to the GDP and or population replenishnent should not be allowed to devour scarce resources?

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No evidence . No proof . Only foundation of a scaremonger’s faithfully believed bullshit

 

Its not as if we are free to make our own choice. Fact is we are already bound-up to the faith beliefs of the Christian. In effect someone else has already made the decision. So see how we are already being faced within the constrants of this slippery slope

We could just as easily ask . How long? has it been, that the Christian-beliefs have forced us all to need to allow for human to needlessly suffer. The level of suffering like we often wouldn’t care to ever dare allow our own pets and animals to need to suffer

This is a slippery slope like we are already being faced with (a slippery slope which is already been dominated-over by the Christian-beliefs)

So much evidence is now continually amounting that points toward religion having already been an anti freedom aspect within far too many people’s lives

Like this study for instance . Quote :

POLLS COULD BE WRONG ON HOW MANY ATHEISTS ARE ACTUALLY IN AMERICA

 

 

http://www.worldreligionnews.com/religion-news/polls-wrong-many-atheists-actually-america

 

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No big surprise .That there may be very many closet atheists who may have felt like they would need to tell lies about their atheism (they felt they had needed to, because religion does not honestly tend to help to promote right of freedom of religion) Due to fear of repercussion

This is reality

So much for this so called “longstanding guarantee of religious freedom”

So much evidence seem to continue to amount-up . Suggesting that the idea of religious freedom is bullshit

It remain the pipe dream of the theist . A pipe dream foundered on feeble mental gymnastic’s of tap dancing around with the truth

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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