They should hang their heads in shame?

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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 5:29 am

Hales takes the view with these historical cases that the problems associated with child abuse only existed between the victim and the perpetrator or pedophile. Hence it is a matter for the victim to take up with the police with no involvement or consequences for the Brethren themselves. They were innocent bystanders.

Well I know how they treated these some of these kids and I’m talking about the Brethren here, when these matters became public knowledge and it was appalling. They said to these children, you were complicit in what went on. You must have gone along with it – which makes you wicked as well. They forget that some of these kids were 8 or 9 years of age or even younger. They offered no help, no support, no protection and no counseling. Removal of this statute of limitations in these cases will see more cases go before the courts and the Brethren’s name and reputation being called into question. They should hang their heads in shame for the way they handled these cases as a church. It was as wicked as it was cruel.

 

 

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1254

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Bruce Hales the slob review wrecker says, that the

problems associated with child abuse only existed between the victim and the perpetrator or pedophile”

What a big lie that is. Fucking bullshit !

However, lets look at first things first.So let me start right back here, first of all (before i get back on to Bruce Hales bullshit)

Quote : ‘The tipping point’

Many of us had a ‘tipping point‘ – the point of no return where we realized this wasn’t working,wasn’t going to be fixed and the only option was to leave.It might have been our own excercise,it might have been taken out of our own hands( as in many of the victims of the various ‘purges’ ( witch hunts) that result in many true supporters of the ‘System’ who would never leave on their own,find themselves outside looking in with no chance of ‘getting back’ “

 

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1239&start=10

end quote (my bold)

Yes indeed. The tipping point. Point when we realized we had to leave

The tipping point had finally arrived for me.At a time that already half of my siblings had either been kicked out, or left themselves (i know for sure two had been kicked out, while perhaps one other had himself just decided it were time for him to leave). There was six of us children, within our family(all of us born within the exclusive brethren ranks.Our membership wasn’t a choice).

One sister had been kicked out and been withdrawn from ,because she had chosen to start a relationship, with a non eb (A neighbor of ours.And an Asian. Which of course was thought of, as “an even bigger” no no . Due to aspects of racism.

Another sister of ours, and our brother in law (her husband) had also already been kicked out and withdrawn from, for daring to suggest that a local priest of their area ,was an adulterer.An adulterer with non eb women (an accusation of which years later, would indeed also be proven to be actually correct too.When this adulterous priest was finally excommunicated .By eb priests)

And one brother of ours, had chosen to leave (or perhaps might have been kicked out.By then all these three siblings of family, had been disowned,as if they were dead, that due to this, my own memory of reasons for this brothers demise, is therefore also somewhat vague) and therefore had been withdrawn from as well

Our father had already died of cancer,many years before then,had died before he had even turned 40 years old (he was 38 im pretty sure).My other brother (the only brother of our’s still left in eb fellowship) had himself moved hundreds of miles away (from where we lived) to another town. My other sister and brother in law had been shut-up (shut up means they were not allowed to come to church,were receiving priestly visits,and while this happen we (we= our mum and myself) were also not allowed to have any contact with them either

I was an unhappy confused and very lonely person.Just mum and myself lived around at our house.Even school-time, for me, was often about being bullied.Made worse,partly because i had also been placed into a non-academic high school class, among children many of whom who weren’t that interested in learning.Because had very often been kept away from school,due to being often sick with tonsillitis ).And also due to our cult-looks which stood-out like a sore thumb (1970s our hair was always needed to be cut-short, while other children grew their hair long)

Another confusing aspect of exclusive brethren (for me).Was to do with their weird way of making such a big deal about matters to do with sex.It was pretty much an in-house kind of obsession .An in house obsession that was pretty much kind of two-faced.

Deceitful 

Let me set out (below) the reason why i see it this way

  1. On one hand, they were quick to pass judgement and excommunicate anyone (specially if the eb member was not a front row priest) who they thought was acting sexually immoral
  2. But yet on the other hand,loads and loads of exclusive brethren member also seemed to be really obsessed with actively expressing all kind of sexual innuendo. (Non exclusive brethren readers, would only have need to listen to the tape-recording of this exclusive brethren meeting here,which is a recording of (brethren leader) James Taylor jr at Aberdeen http://wikipeebia.com/audio/aberdeen.mp3  . A transcript of (the above tape) what was being said ,can also be read below here (go to title:The Aberdeen Tapes – ‘A time of blasphemy’) http://www.discourses.org.uk/History/TheAberdeenIncident.pdf .

Pay special attention to what is being said here .Quote :

JT Jnr: Now we’re doing all right here. Now JF, you satisfied? Your daughters
are wonderful, I tell you and your wife is superlative. Oh, when she came to me
I thought that was it. And you were scared. He was scared when she came to
me. But she had to do it. It’s too bad you know, there’s only one job like this. All
these people wanting my job, but there’s only one job. And I got Mrs. JF and she
came, and she was something. And she still is something. Those old … you
know these Georges, they don’t get a clue with … but we’ll get on with the
operation, and it’s very fine. I tell you that GT’s production is fine. And then JF’s
is fine, when I got it. What do you think this is? Your bed? This fellow’s sleeping
on me all the time. George, you understand? George, you understand? No. Oh
yes (very quietly) that GT he knows how to produce them.
AT: They’re all like their uncle.
JT Jnr: You’re a liar! You’re a liar!
AG: We all agree.
JT Jnr: George, we’re waiting for them. I tell you that George is something.
GT: The half has not been told you.
AT: Say something original.
GT: I go by scripture.
JT Jnr: You son of a … You devil. I’m telling you, that George is something.
George, George … Boag. You want some help? I never had it so good. I really
never had it so good. I can control Glasgow … Edinburgh … Preston … and,
what the hell is the name of this place here?
JAG: Perth
JT Jnr: Perth. You never had it so good. But that JF, he … I’m not too sure
about him. Cause I got … her. I got her all right. So it’s not too safe for him.
Where are you, where are you, where are you, you honey, where are you? Mrs.
JF, where are you?
Remark: Right up the back.
JT Jnr: Who asked you to say anything?
Remark: I was giving you some help.

 

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If you have a good read through the transcript and other aspect surrounding the whole Aberdeen incident. I suggest you can then start to pick up on these aspects of

sexual innuendo within exclusive brethren rank and file

So, now, let’s get back to what i was previously saying before. I was saying how i was becoming a pretty confused young person.

  1. One of my sisters has been excommunicated for starting a relationship with a non eb Asian
  2. But on the other hand.Another sister and brother in law of mine, had been excommunicated, for accusing a priest of adultery (and now he has finally been excommunicated for the said action of adultery, of which my sister and brother in law had also got in trouble for daring to try accusing him of)
  3. To make me feel even more confused. Iva also seen (with my own eyes) evidence that my brother and sister (who both still remained in the exclusive brethren ranks at that time) were in fact actively involved in showing worldly home movies (Which was in fact also still totally illegal at that time .According to worldly law) of home movies that also included a porno movie.Of which a number of local young brethren members also sat and watched themselves as well too (this is happening at a time when my other two sisters had been excommunicated) They sat and watched these movies in my brother and sister lounge, where they had set-out a number of seats , like as if it was in a picture theater setting (As i was there also in person, watching them and the movies myself too.When i was aged perhaps only around about 6 to 8 years old (at a quick guess right at this moment i’m writing this). I can still provide enough evidence,to this very day, to help prove it too, if ever need be)

I experienced all these things. Life (to me) seem to be pretty much fucked, in lots of ways.My family has been decimated.My sister has been cast out, for trying to help uphold morals.My brother along with a number of other young brethren as well too, can all still stay-in fellowship, even though they have been known to be actively involved in showing (any type of movie was supposed to be immoral within the exclusive brethren) movies including porno movies (which are illegal by NZ law)

Im now dealing with cognitive dissonance .

I live with this on my mind for a number of years.Very lonely years.Some extremely sad years.I deal with it on my own (it seems like it really pays to. Unless perhaps you would also wish to be cast out and excommunicated yourself as well too ?)

Some time later i’m shown pornographic pictures. I’m sexually abused by this person at a age when i’m not even yet sexually mature or active myself. When i finally tell one local priest about this, the person involved is promptly shut up for awhile, and is then returned back into fellowship-again some time later on. (the situation that had happen is kept quiet.Swept under the carpet basically)

And i also didnt receive any kind of professional counseling at all either.

This is about when i started playing up.Some of my behavior even kind of became sexually improper. To make matters worse i was struggling with feelings of guilt. My anger became uncontrollable at times too (and all of this,being made even worse than ever, by the fact my own mum was then sometime trying to control me by threatening to use violence against me)

Then one time, when my mum went to hit me, i had grabbed her hand, and had warned her not to dare try to hit me ever again.We were then both shut-up (not allowed to go to church).While two priest would visit us (at our house) for exclusive brethren counseling meetings that were supposed to help get us right with God.So that we might then be admitted back into Brethren fellowship one day.These meetings had felt more like  (what i would now best describe) Nazi SS interrogation . My mother would be interrogated for any past supposedly wrong sexual experiences of her own, even going way-back so far in her past, as to have happen way-back in times of her youth,long before she had even been accepted-into fellowship among the exclusive brethren (my mothers family/siblings are all non exclusive brethren )

My mum was constantly reduced to tears.To make matters worse.It was also happening within the school holidays.So there we were.Alone at our home.The two of us.Mum was not allowed to go to her job (eb job) . I was also not ever supposed to go play with any non eb worldly children. We were shut up and not allowed to go to church to fellowship with other exclusive brethren folk either.And it was the school holidays. And about all i saw my mum do, was knit and cry. Cry and cry and cry until her face became red with the amount of tears constantly streaming down her neck

( my tipping point )

I just couldn’t deal with it any longer ( my tipping point ). So i jumped on my push bike and rode off one day and i left. I went and made first contact with my sister, the one (i talked about) who had been cast-out ,so many years before, for starting a relationship with our Asian neighbor

At first the priest (the one i made contact with later on that day to ask him to please tell our mum where i had gone to) threaten to have me returned by the police (i was still only 15 1/2) . They never did even dare try to follow this threat up. 

I tell you. I felt so bad about the way i choose to leave.I hated myself.I felt so guilty knowing how this would likely make our mum need to cry and cry and cry even more.Be likely to help make her feel even more wretched about herself..

But what else could i really do ?

Out of interest(another ex exclusive brethren member, who left long after i did, later told me, at a ex eb social gathering, that the only thing, they all the brethren, had ever been told about the situation with me leaving, was that i had to be withdrawn from, for reason i had been acting violent against our mum)

Brucie the review wrecker “nobody better than before me”  is a liar, if he did indeed try to say that

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problems associated with child abuse only existed between the victim and the perpetrator or pedophile”

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What a bloody lie . Those exclusive Brethren folk . Ought to be all bloody ashamed of themselves too. How dare they stay loyal to this bloody lying fat-creep ? of a review-wrecker

Now .Fast forward many years, to the time during the Exclusive Brethren review

During the review .Out of the blue one day, my sister and brother in law (the one sister who has always remained within the eb) suddenly arrive on my doorstep (where i’m living at that time)

They said that the Brethren had decided how wrong they had been.How sorry they felt for mistreating so many of us, so badly

During the review.When i was visiting my exclusive brethren brother (the one who had shown porno movies in his and his wifes house long ago) .He told me , that Bruce Hales was personally involved, in acting like the overseer of how the exclusive brethren review was going. And that Bruce Hales had said (to my eb brother in law who had also been the one, who had suddenly arrived on my door-step out of the blue) the it was becoming obvious that i (IE: my review situation) was going to take some time to get through with dealing with.

This brother in law (one who’s own brother had also committed suicide himself too , by act of hanging himself outside an exclusive brethren meeting-room,over in Australia) even discussed (with me personally) personal aspects of the sexual abuse i had once experienced, as a young exclusive brethren member.Because the priest had personally told him about it (since i had left) .He even mentioned exactly where one situation of this abuse had taken place (it was not only on one occasion .It had happen on three occasion, in three different places). He knew about exactly where because it had actually happened somewhere around his own house (on one occasion)

So  then .What a lie ?

To try to say that

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problems associated with child abuse only existed between the victim and the perpetrator or pedophile”

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The problem went deeper. The problem was made

far worse

Because even our own family, members of our own flesh and blood. Didnt even seem to care enough about us (themselves either)

To want to care to come and see us,quickly,so as to help us go and report it

Earlier

So that then we might also have also gotten professional counseling

Far far earlier as well too

This is what still hurts me mostly of all. To need to know full well that even members of our own flesh and blood

Don’t even give a damn 

That’s what really hurts like hell

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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