Dr. Thomas Nagel, professor of philosophy at New York University, wrote in his 1997 book,The Last Word:
I want atheism to be true and am made uneasy by the fact that some of the most intelligent and well-formed people I know are religious believers. It isn’t just that I don’t believe in God and, naturally, hope that I’m right in my belief. It’s that I hope there is no God! I don’t want there to be a God; I don’t want the universe to be like that.
Whether or not Dr. Nagel intended to speak for anyone other than himself, I suspect his sentiments are shared by many atheists who not only don’t believe there is a God, but “don’t want there to be a God.”
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Sound kinda condescending, ( toward atheists) Full of patronizing superiority
But oh well never mind.Whats new ?
Perhaps John Clark might have misunderstood Dr. Thomas Nagel?. For instance , wouldn’t we (atheist) perhaps have some good decent reason to hope that most sane people might wish the God often discussed within bible, might not actually exist after all ?. The God who has been said (within bible scripture) to punish some humans, for an eternity, for their sins that had only occurred over duration of one life time
Would it ever seem moral to us human,here on earth, to decide that we might want to find some way to be able to punish and torture humans who perhaps had been convicted of involvement in committing some crime, for an eternity ?
Perhaps folk might need to honestly ask yourselves that question
The God discussed within some bible scripture,had seemed to condone the idea of stoning our own children to death. For their act of merely even daring to speak back at us
How many Christian folk, can be honest and say, well we do actually hope that this God does indeed actually exist ?
I hope not. And so i hope that some decent Christian will still have enough brains, to figure out why , this professor of philosophy, Dr. Thomas Nagel, might have in fact said this (not sure that he had done.But however, never mind, even so, that’s still beside the point that i’m trying to make here)
In this regard atheist in fact have some decent reason to hope that this God might not in fact exist. In exactly the same way we might hope that Hitler might not have existed either as well too
Who would choose to worship Hitler ? (Some did!!.Likewise they were also the ones who were in fact also most concerned with finding some way of saving their own skin )
How sad is that then?. How ugly ?
Little wonder we have Exclusive Brethren members, now today, whom also only seem most concerned about looking to find ways of saving their own skins too
Some ex eb are real-quick to throw the idea of real Christians about.And real Christians are mainstream Christians.The ones often most concerned with holding onto power of religious freedom , which really isn’t religious freedom (it’s a negative form of religious freedom). And whenever the charity commission goes to try to rein religious tyranny in. Guess who writes in to the charity commission?. Plenty of mainstream Christian folk do. For many of them are also (sadly) most concerned with retaining right to use negative form of religious freedom against their own children
Is Jesus being directly connected with these folk ?
Well i’m not so sure he might even be so-pleased about that, if he is
Time might tell.Who knows? But i sure as hell wouldn’t want to place myself beside these so called “mainstream Christian folk”. I wouldn’t want to align myself among any of them
Lets face it. Their lies about freedom of religion, which really isn’t honestly any real kind of actual freedom of religion after all.Is bloody disgusting. Its been the root-cause of loads of religious tyranny worldwide
Imagine (yourself) being Jesus. Expected to return back down here to earth. To come back down here, to be known as the head-honcho instigator of billions and billions of young children’s fearful phobia’s
Its been blatant child abuse
Lets not bother splitting hairs. Long overdue time to be straight up
I have little fear of my atheism. Why would i even have good reason to feel like i’d need to ? . When even Jesus , (to me) had also seemed to have acted very much like an atheist,himself too, on the cross (My God, my God why have you forsaken me?)
Doesnt (to me) sound much like Jesus had in fact thought of himself as being God? . These words, are the kind of words that i would expect some surprised person to be inclined to utter, when feeling surprised that someone didn’t arrive
Would Jesus be likely to forgive me for wondering if perhaps that were in fact true ?
I think so. In fact i feel sure
Even Pope Francis might also as well too ?. Besides, how could any honestly decent person not do ?
Jesus (someone we read-about who was involved in a kind of decent religious-simplicity.No need of a mega-church idol-ism for him) came to help free us from religious tyranny. While too many mainstream Christians have sadly ,ever since then, purposely chosen to help keep it going(complicated-religious idol-ism)
I refuse to join their ranks.Their ranks are too littered with loads ass licking
As if someone like Jesus?. Would need or even want, any involvement in the kind of idol-ism surrounding aspects of Christianity today.The fear induced phobia belief that has indeed happen to haunt so many young children
Yet Christians.Mainstream Christians. Don’t mind placing their Jesus as being the head honcho behind all of this nastiness
Perhaps many had never even stopped to think to consider the sorts of things that they have agreed to do ?
I hope so
The theist in this original (John Clark) article . Cannot seem to understand that some of us atheist actually don’t believe in God.I don’t. In fact, to be quite honest, i never ever really did either.Even back when i was still very young (5 years old), i couldn’t see reason to believe it
It wasn’t because i didnt want to believe that God existed. I really did wish that God existed.Still do .
Sadly faiths wont ever be able to help save us , if in fact God doesn’t exist
This is the cold hard truth.
It’s not an easy truth to need to face either. I mean, why wouldn’t i have good reason to want to hope God does exist ? . Why wouldn’t i hope there is perhaps some God who can then (later) help to set these cult abuses right ?
I would need to be silly not to wish i could hope that right ?
Sadly hope wont help any of us. If this hope is also been based on false foundation
This is just cold hard truth of the matter
People ,worldwide,will nearly wear out their knees ,while they are all constantly praying to God for help.So. Why doesn’t God ever help to fix these cults ? (he easily could do, specially if he in fact did actually exist)
It simply doesn’t make sense, to me, that it hasn’t already happened
This is just honestly how i happen to feel
Meanwhile cult members worldwide, are constantly still getting away with all kind of abuse, already.
This is the worst thing about this situation that effect us all
Our lives, on earth, meanwhile have already been whittled-away and wagered-with on this hope
Would Jesus, forgive me, for feeling that this seems so totally wrong?
I cannot help feeling like he most surely would do
While my family was being decimated (excommunicated and slowly ripped apart by the brethren cult) . At around aged 5 ,even way back then, i had constantly thought about all these kind of things.My sad experiences had forced me to need to think deeply about it all
I simply felt that i couldn’t find a decent way to be able to connect the existence of a loving God, known as Jesus .With this worldwide great nasty mess
And i fear not, that i still do happen to continue to feel this way about it,even now too
Why should people,like Bruce Hales (review wrecker) get away with, being able to cause so-many people,so much harm ?