Profound control which is difficult for an outsider to comprehend

Peter Harrison wrote an interesting and thought provoking post on wikipeebia titled the cult. Read it here http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1409

Great discussion is now taking place.Peter seem to me to be someone who’s fairly open minded.Peter seem like someone who is often also actively interested in other people’s thoughts and opinion. I’ve not often seen Peter trying to stop any other people from speaking their own mind either (in fact i cannot even remember one time ever seeing Peter acting as if he’d like to silence anyone’s opinion that differ to his own opinion)

To me, i feel like that’s a healthy way to be.Mostly anyway. After all its about freedom of speech. And freedom of speech is obviously something most important.I’d say that few highly abusive dangerous cults would ever even begin to exist, if only the people were to demand to maintain the right for freedom of speech as a healthy attitude

Think about it. If freedom of speech had of been held as most highly important,within the Catholic church.Then how likely would it be, that the sex abuse scandal would even be able to develop.Like it did ?

Many many people had tried to warn other people about what had been occurring.So then,why didn’t the scandal break to news of the general public far earlier than what it did? . Because there was a tradition of silence. And perhaps Catholic people were somewhat fearful of daring to fall out of grace with the church hierarchy ?

This is what need to be addressed. This is what really need to be discussed.Who know, perhaps wikipeebia “real Christian” might like to ?. I don’t know. Or maybe its something that some people (“real” Christians) wont like to discuss?

Who knows

It natural that Christian who leave cults and therefore become ex cult member Christian.Will want to grip onto the thought of Godliness. The thought of real Christianity existing somewhere else. They need to. Or otherwise they are then faced with the horrid thought that perhaps their golden sheep (IE:real Christians) ,has in fact been a rather black sheep (figuratively speaking ) for far longer than any recent cult development.

Peters list is an interesting list to ponder over ?

Quote

Today, after more than thirty years of effort as a “wicked opposer”, I regretfully conclude that there is nothing in the PBCC system to appeal to. Evidence shows their consciences to be entirely controlled by Hales. This is the price they pay for the ‘benefits’ which, Hales claims holds members in the fellowship. In scriptural terms they gain (the whole world) and suffer the loss of their soul. This loss of soul is evidenced in;-
• Compassion being severely inhibited
• Conscientious promptings being stifled
• Curtailing of honour due to natural relations
• Fear to speak out against unfair practice, bullying, judgment, etc.
• Availability to carry out dishonourable wishes of the hierarchy
• Readiness to pass on slander against defenceless victims.

The above incomplete list is sufficient to illustrate brethren deferring their God-given promptings in favour of pleasing a hierarchy headed by Hales. The cohesion of the fellowship depends on this sellout. As is typical of cults the leader has profound control which is difficult for an outsider to comprehend. The leader safely says whatever he reckons he can get away with. He appears to be convinced that the divinely ordained pathway to salvation at this stage of the testimony involves being a willing subject in the system headed by himself.

 

end quote

I pretty much feel like i agree with Peter in what he says.I do. What interest me more is to think deeper about how this development might have unfolded. How can a development such as this, been able to feel so easily acceptable. How could so many human within a cult, been able to feel comfortable with accepting this

Did they need to change so much,once the cult had finally became a closed exclusive group. If they had previously had freedom of speech back in Darby’s time, then how come we don’t read of many more simple believers (IE: “real” Christian) speaking their own mind (freedom of speech)personally complaining about the direction that Darby was about to set this particular group on?

If freedom of speech was originally such a prevalent aspect of life among real Christians , previously before Darby cult began to develop. Then how come there wasn’t damn near everyone, every man/women an child, complaining  and questioning this bad (and supposedly new) development ?

This question should need to be answered ?

Let me put it to our wikipeebia friends, how about they might like to now also dare to discuss whether the problem of  speech restriction, suppression and censorship might have run far deeper than any “first beginning” of one small wee group which is now morphed into a cult known as Exclusive Brethren

I dare them to discuss this topic honestly.

And explain, to us , how they figure these cults might have sprung from within a throng of “real” Christian (you know, the ones that so many will still like to pretend like such kind of believers might have once existed) ,if in fact freedom of speech was in fact what they might have held in such high esteem

Hmmmmm ?

Let me put it to our friends over on wikipeebia,an including our open minded friend Peter Harrison . Freedom of speech has not been something that has been held in such high esteem within the one loaf of Christian circle. At least not for a fair few generations now anyway. Who can be so sure it even was way back when Jesus was around ,either ?

After all . The story goes that evidently Jesus was crucified mainly due to him being someone considered too inclined to want to exercise his own freedom of speech

Think carefully and deeply about Peter Harrisons list. Ask your selves. Could many (if not most) things within Peters list also be applied to the Catholic church? . And might it perhaps help to explain how sex abuse might have been able to be covered up within the Catholic church for so long ?

Hmmmmm ?

And if that is the case. Then might that then also begin to help to explain why this list might also perhaps tend to apply to a number of other other groups as well too, what have also more or less all evolved/sprung from any one of these earlier root beginning of Christianity ?

 

Hmmmm ?

 

Or does that kind of question tend to sound a little too distasteful to even dare to consider too much?

Haaaaa . Well you are not alone in that feeling  . Consider this, there are plenty of exclusive brethren whom also tend to find these kind of question a little too distasteful to dare to consider or ponder too greatly themselves either ?

Why?

Well hey. Its also a fairly traditional for so many “real” Christians as well, to act likewise too, an also only wish to need to think about the sorts of things that their own feeling would prefer to believe

Problem is. That all Christians are busily trying to feel good.To need to feel good,then mean that Christian mind obviously also wont enjoy to need to consider that the deeper root of their faith might have in fact already been long set on a pathway of speech restriction, suppression and censorship.  An so  it naturally also feels far easier to block the distasteful thought out

Maybe?.

And if this what i’m posing isn’t true.

 

Then how come it can almost be  like as if like someone were involved in an act of pouring acid on Christian,when considering the way they will often retaliate should someone such as myself even dare to pose these kind of idea?

Ask yourselves this

If you feel these things don’t ever apply to real Christian .Then answer this for us then. How come there are so few Christians that care about the lives of people born into cults that are freely able to destroy so many live of cult members , like they can do ?

 

Hmmmm ?

 

How can this still occur now in this year 2018 . If so many loads of real Christians are in fact supposedly blessed with

1 Compassion

2.feeling free to follow conscientious prompting

3.free to honor

4. fearless to speak out against unfair practice,bullying,judgement etc

5. so unavailable to carry out any dishonorable wishes of hierarchy

6.Some even real ready to choose to deny claims of sex abuse

 

The point is this. If we hope to ever have this situation change.Then to do real justice , obviously we would also have need to fix the root of the cause .

Perhaps it’s in fact wise for people to want to consider Matthew 7:5 ?

It’s evidently something about a real need for leading by example ? (kind of strange,to me anyway,that some folk still demand the cults might lead the way.WTF?)

If freedom of religion doesn’t really exist. And there have always been believers whom have far preferred to continue to pretend like as if it honestly does. Then naturally abusive cults are bound to end up punishing the lives of certain people whom end up wearing the full brunt of this deceit

After all . All it takes for harm to prevail is for good men to choose to do nothing about the harm?

 

Hmmmmm ?

Still far prefer to lay all the blame on those cult members (easy targets)?

Well that’s understandable . After all, its horribly distasteful to need to admit that the scourge might in fact have always run far deeper than what one “real” christian might ever like to need to admit

 

Feels so much easier, to leave that “log o wood” lodged away…secretly … And hope like hell nobody need to ever know about it ? (specially the youth of today, the bright young people whom can see through the bullshit,and today are now finally busily dumping Christianity in droves)

 

 

 

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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