As ex member’s of the eb Brethren.Who have experienced all kind of nastiness of an immensely uncaring nature, and faith abuses and so on. So then, naturally we will now feel truth is important. We can get quite upset too, when we observe brethren members, actively involved in telling porkies so as to mislead people.So as to cover up sex abuses.Or so as to deceive the general public,in regard of issues of charity status that the charity commission might be involved in questioning
As far as i can tell, from my interest of ex eb comments and ongoing discussion i observe.It seems (to me) that there is this contention that the brethren members are one of the few church groups whom are more likely involved in actively being quite willing to mislead so as to deceive (although i might be mistaken)
But anyway, is this idea, IE: the idea that only a few wayward church groups would ever be bothered to be involved, realistic?
I question that this is a realistic judgement. I’ve been questioning this for some years now.I now have some real doubt that its actually correct to claim.
And if its not correct to claim it, then might this then also help to explain how and why it might have been so easy for the brethren groups to go so wayward themselves. To cause extreme harm unto so many people, without even displaying any real sense of remorse,or guilt or empathy and compassion and so on, for harm of all the many human being lives that their own deceitful act were ruining along the way
What about church members of other groups.Do they have more tendency to stick to the straight and narrow road in regard to telling complete truth ?. Specially groups of what many ex eb would perhaps like to see as mainstream Christians
This subject really interests me a lot,and not because i wish to be judgmental of mainstream Christian.Please understand me when i say that, as i’m being honest in saying it.Not because i’m opposed to believers either.
But more so because i can see why truthfulness is important.For sake of all of us.Even for the sake of heathen atheist like myself too. Truthfulness is specially important among those people pertaining the faith of being those particular type people purposely endowed with responsibility to act as being like moonbeams for good of all humanity, within this world . Because religion also has a particular way to influence so many humans
That’s obviously something mighty important right ?.Religion is playing a huge roll within our world
Consider the far reaching implication if it didn’t happen.Consider how interconnected so many situation that evolve within all of our lives are. Like,if theist cannot be observed to remain truthful themselves,then how will the roll on effect of that phenomena then go on to manifest within society at large as well too?.
Like will secular society soon enough also have little decent ability to be able to discern right from wrong anymore either?
Might this go some way to help us all explain why society seem to display so little concern in regard of harm constantly caused,unto certain people, who happen to get tangled up, by one way or another, within extremely harmful faith abuses ,that ruin lives ?
Will it help explain why few people care that much ,about cult members tangled up in faith abuses ?
How about that question? .
Anyway.The conversation that ensued, on a forum that seem mainly of Catholic people,as to whether white lies (ill call them white lies here anyway,as i’m just not sure, what else to define them as?) were ok,or not so bad started with the first comment below
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Note to anyone reading.I can say,for certain, that my own experience has been, that in general Catholic folk were mostly nice people.Catholic Christian i found to act kindly,fairly much so too, even toward atheists like me.And besides, there’s actually loads and loads of nice people,all around us, within our real world anyway.
However ,even so, being a nice person doesn’t necessarily also automatically mean, that nice people will then also be able to feel so bad,themselves, about the lives being lived by other people.Or even empathize with other peoples life situations that befall them
There is evidence what seems to suggest, that perhaps human (including nice people) are more able to feel empathy for situations that they themselves can also imagine they might be more likely to also directly encounter themselves as well too.
Like for instance,
1.falling foul of a cave tragedy, like what had happen with the Thai boys what had got stuck within a cave recently
2.falling foul of issues like what happen with the Pike river mine disaster,here in NZ. Or elsewhere
3. falling foul of fires that are killing people
4. Falling foul of earthquake disasters
5 Falling foul of flood disasters
And so on
Nice people will be fairly quick to rally help in all of these situations above
So perhaps the problem isn’t so much that we lack nice people?. The problem is perhaps more that nice people find it far harder to feel empathy and therefore compassion, for situations of what the are also less able to ever see themselves ever falling foul of
That might make sense?
Science suggest that it is possibly something like mirror neuron of what perhaps help fire up our feelings of empathy, for others
So therefore,people who feel unable to ever see themselves falling foul of certain situation, are therefore also far less likely to ever have any reaction from mirror neuron