Why would former members have interest in the cult they are no longer a member of ?

Interesting question.

I feel, perhaps the question could changed around to read like this: Why would former slaves, have interest in slavery of what they are no longer enslave within themselves

If we check out the list of people involved in the anti slavery movement , say through this link here https://www.biographyonline.net/humanitarian/anti-slavery-movement.html

We can see how a number of former slaves are also listed .The list shows too, that there were also people with different opinions

Ian Mckay commented on the idea that, a good case could be made for having a page in which current Brethren and Ex-Brethren can all participate in the interests of promoting mutual understanding.

I agree.And i wonder if perhaps not all brethren that may try to join in, are only acting with malicious intent?.Or they might start out that way, but even so its the nature of human, that doesn’t necessarily always mean they’ll remain set with those intention forevermore.As a number of of ex eb, had once upon a time also been people who were opposed to apostasy themselves beforehand.Some even quite forcefully so too.Yet some changed their view.Now remain ex eb themselves

If i was ever going to vote for anyone to take part as moderator,in forum with mixed member discussion,or as one of the moderators.I’d more than happily vote Ian for a part in the role.Although perhaps he might not want that role,or fairly liking is already way busy.Ian is usually pretty fair.And/or even the lovely kind well known lady named Joan .Mind you,the present moderators are also too.Which is wonderful.I’m surprised and impressed

When people attempted to abolish slavery.It was no easy road.That’s why the link above stated


Not all the people necessarily shared the same views on the immediate emancipation of slaves. But, they played differing roles in bringing an end to the practice of slavery.

end quote (my bold)

One interesting and courageous impressive woman,was  named Sojourner Truth.See here https://www.biographyonline.net/women/sojourner-truth-biography.html

Born to slave parents,in similar same way what most of us ex eb ,were also born to eb parents.But she became restless for freedom like what we also did,and couldn’t wait around until freedom came to her.So she escaped,somewhat similar to like what how a number of us ex eb also have escaped too.

Even although some people might not like to entertain the idea of similarity between slavery, and so called freedom of religion (religious liberty).I’d argue that the difference isn’t so great. Think about this

When Sojourner Truth escaped.She had escaped herself,but yet had had to have left her five-year-old son, Peter behind. Who was sold on to other slave owners, in Alabama where slavery was still deeply embedded, for some time longer after slavery was already abolished elsewhere

Sounding somewhat familiar? (IE: cult leavers may also be forced to need to leave the wife and children behind too ?)

Freedom of religion, could be described as being like slavery was. Because even with slavery, there was a negative form (bullshit form) of freedom , also available.Freedom if you were lucky enough that certain situation might have allowed that it might happen for you

Slaves never faced any easy road in their struggle for true freedom. The struggle still isn’t totally finished today as yet either

Sadly that’s the real world

Real world includes a struggle . Nature of this real world require our resilience.

Kia kaha !


Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. Isaiah 1:18

Ahh, kei te pai ! ,time now for us all to korero ….. Amene

Im an atheist, but yet i still see plenty of value in bible philosophy.Those human were learning about life, the same way we all still do continue to learn, ourselves today

Cults are full of nice people. People who are still enslaved, within a misguided system, like what we all once were , and in fact, in other ways, still are (IE: racialism,sexism and so on )

Even really really nice people can be misguided .We need to remember?.And still try be forgiving,as best we can. Even although that doesn’t mean we’d need to forget suppress our pain and suffering?.Pain and suffering is real.It still continues to hurt today.Still all a part of the real world

Sure there are also some really bad eggs. But there’s always the few real rotten eggs, sitting around somewhere in the chicken coop .That’s the real world

The real world doesn’t necessarily need to remain forevermore like what it is today.We still need to make a start somewhere.Sure it may never be perfect.I doubt it ever will be. But even so, that need not stop us from actively trying to make it better.As best we can

It might sometimes seem like we have made no progress. But that’s just because we long for real true freedom . The same way that slaves did. The same way that people who experience racism,still do today

Longing can upset people. Make them get angry. Make them attack.Make them sad.Cause them to need to experience loads of aspect of family dysfunction . Mental issues. Suicide even sadly sometimes

But these things should be taken on board as what will help inspire us all, to keep on going. Keep on fighting. Keep on with the discussion.Keep on beseeching the general citizen, who are not effected by racism,sexism or cults or other, to care  about others

People who experience racism and so on, and ourselves who are experiencing religious tyranny, are basically all others 

I have a dream



Justice can roll down like water .Through solidarity

Kia kaha

Kia kaha too, to the oppressed nice people of Gloriavale. We stand in solidarity alongside you sharing our aroha (love) together for one and other . Let the chains that had bound us in religious forms of tyranny, now bind us together for future good of all people


Let freedom reign






About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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