Freedom of speech or hatred?

Lately we had protest and clash of opinion, in Auckland, over issues of freedom of speech, here in NZ

People were fairly upset, rightfully so too, over having people within our country,New Zealand, that people felt were busily only inciting divisions and hate .

However, this is not some brand new phenomena,IE the idea of people inciting hate and division.For one instance, how many Kiwi know what the church hierarchy of exclusive brethren, have actively been already preaching division of hate for generations now?

So then,how can that ever be sorted out now,without us having our own right, of our freedom of speech?. Who gets to decide, where and when, the line between peace and hate and division, was first broken?

That’s important ?. Have i a right to hate the fact that my family has been ruined by aspects of the Christian faith ?. And if people like to argue, that it wasn’t real Christianity, then when will that get sorted and defined?.Have i any right to utterly hate the fact that so far we have waited nearly our whole life time,now already, longing for more Kiwi’s to wake up and help us get on an address this issue ?

Why should i not be angry?. Or how would it be more human of me, if i didn’t care about this tragedy ?. Hatred is sometimes interconnected to caring about an injustices ?

The lady wearing the hdjab is someone i agree with.It is wrong to put down people due to their gender sexuality ethnicity . But religion ? .How does that work. Perhaps that may depend,somewhat, on what the religion is been actively involved with?. Not good enough to to call,  “religion” , an expect that that then is like some magic word to stamp the demand that nobody is allowed to feel hatred of religion.

Certain people have some morally righteous just reasons, to feel a certain level of hatred?. Considering the way aspects of religion has caused detrimental harm,an in worst instances, sometime, ruined our lives.I have watched one brother setting about trying to hang himself (while i were around aged 10) .Experienced the aftermath, of another brother attempted suicide, many years later, again,at a time during the brethren review, when another brother had tried to commit suicide by swallowing a whole bottle of sleeping pills.One brother of ours,who had been separated from his wife and children, for months on end, had been living all alone, not being allowed any social company among eb or even among any worldly people either. Became so thin and had starved to the point of near death, that when i met him ,out of the blue one day, i no longer even recognized him as being my own brother.The brethren only accepted him back, into fellowship with them, not long after, but only because reason his own doctor had been to see them, to warn them, that if they didn’t  promptly care enough to accept him back again into fellowship,that he would likely be dead very soon.At least two children within our own family experienced sex abuse, that was then covered up and swept under the carpet.

And we are merely but one family,among so many other families, whom have experienced the same, and sex abuse experiences, of what were a number of time in fact even far worse ,than that of our own experience.

Here is a list of brethren and ex brethren, all of whom, had found suicide as their only way to escape the ongoing pain and immense suffering ,cause unto them, via faith abuses


Who then gets to say, we have absolutely no right to be feeling any hatred of this situation of abuse?.Human rights abuses.

That would be a greatest injustice . To me, right now, it feels like another subtle form of secondary abuse,to hear it .To see it being proposed

It does

Faith abuse, and levels of hatred, are both interconnected

Personally i feel , its shame on people, for not being able to be considerate enough to understand this situation better,so as to then see how and why there may in fact, still be a certain amount of lingering hatred (much of the hate, is more about ,hate of the faith system failures.Like lack of accountability, for damage rendered)

Fair comment?

Have these issue of ongoing faith abuses ever been properly addressed,even as yet now in this year 2018?


I personally find it somewhat offensive ,that people are even expecting we might be able to feel indifferent to our harmful experiences that religion has been able to have piled up upon us

To me, that in itself, feels like experiencing a form of secondary abuse (abuse through lack of understanding and/or care)


Seems to me, looking from my view, people care so little,in their own way, they are not even mindfully aware of the actual amount of collateral suffering of whats been caused, to certain amount of  unlucky people, through religion.Through bullshit religious freedom of what wasn’t any real right of freedom .

Many times, sadly, money is become too much like their real God almighty.

People ruined lives are therefore devalued as being kind of forgotten,as being too worthless to even bother considering about

More info below


Wake up people

I still feel some what proud to be a New Zealander though. Sure, we still do have a long way to go, as yet. And yet we have already shown signs of being a place where caring can develop.

In fact one of my favorite news items, is to do with the news item that i’ll post now here below


Sikh puts religious rule aside to help boy

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Here we can all observe,  a truly most wonderful situation,where by,a caring citizens  humanity,has trumped religious rules . Where love had cast out fear

Human  rights people

Human rights do matter

Lets begin get the human rights issues, sorted out, first and foremost ?

Only then can there be less hurt, of what is also at the very root, of some levels of this ongoing feelings of hatred


We need some level of regulation so that this extreme harm and family dysfunction,caused through religion,would cease to need to continue to happen


About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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