An interesting video.The video seem to be arguing the view, that displaced members of The Church of Almighty God Christians deserve refugee status. Perhaps they do?. I don’t like to think of anyone being harmed real badly (even prisoners,because lots of people don’t have a lot of choice, in regard of birthright.Many people would live their life way differently,if only they were not born into poverty, or social disharmony,or family dysfunction, and so on) .Some say believers, specially Christians, are treated bad in China.I have a feeling they might be.But then, we also need to carefully try and understand how and why it might have ended up being that way (if its correct)
At the beginning of this video, it talks about China’s denial of religious freedom.
Well in thinking about that subject, i cannot help but wonder, hold on, what about the westerns worlds denial of right of our own religious freedom too?. Because the religious freedom within our countries,for now, still relies on certain aspect of human luck .
For instance, luck of birthright.Few members of the Brethren cult, had chosen to become members of brethren, as they were mostly all just born into the group. As such, there was very little choice involved.You had to tow the line, or else accept the risk that you would/might end up shunned and excommunicated and ostracized.So much so,that often they treat you as if you had died already,even go so far as also removing any photo’s of you,from within family photo albums.
The brethren group is not the only group like this either.Although,some levels of this kind of mistreatment, might be less.Very likely often is
So freedom of religion,within our own countries,sometimes will actually amount to little more than a negative form of religious freedom really.IE: freedom by luck
Even if we may like to kid ourselves its not?
Now, first off, i don’t see anywhere, within this video, where Massimo Introvigne even mention that aspect. Its as if, perhaps, this is thought not at all important to mention, or worthy of any level of consideration?.I cannot be sure. I can only go by, what i feel i observe here?. And,in my mind, for discussion to be fair, then perhaps they should take all things into account?
Massimo discusses sinicization ,seem (to me) like, so it’ll hopefully also sound scary too.And perhaps the Chinese might even go way too far?.I don’t know about that for sure. I’m not interested in being the judge of that.But i am a little interested in the way people seem to feel the need to make the idea of regulations to do with aspect of religion, seem extra scary.As if it always need to be
Because consider this, what about canonization of the bible then?.It happened right. And human input was involved there.Interested parties got together, and entered into discussion, until finally there was some level of agreement among them.
And yet, the sky still didn’t suddenly fall down on anyone’s head,as yet?.Has it. So hey,all im saying/asking, is perhaps its better to not bother to scare-monger about sinicization, or regulation, or things like that?.
As perhaps people who are not yet mind fully aware,quite enough,might be too easily swayed through feeling frightened?. And at the end of the day, right now, even here in our own countries, there is still a slippery slope, of what already exist now already anyway.The slippery slope existing between the luck of groups involved in faith abuses, and benign religion
And nothing to help provide checks and balances ,for our own safety sake and protection, between the two. You need to be lucky,too often still
Talking about problems with China, in regard of Christianity and so on,perhaps we would also be best, to be fair, is remember Christianity in China is somewhat tainted by opium experience?.Just saying.Saying to help remind us all. Because so many things within our lives, are all interconnected in some way,and sometimes in some very subtle ways too?.So perhaps people should also always be made aware of these subtle nuisances as well? (i happen to know,myself, how i was never ever even
told made aware,about these things, within the Brethren Christian cult.Nobody cared,at all, about that side of justice.All they cared about, was to promote Chinese,as being the totally bad guys
Few people, would bother to argue, that the Chinese way of dealing with faith group, is anywhere near perfect.No way near.However, perhaps the west also could do well,themselves,to be fair to admit, that even within our own countries too, perhaps our own way of dealing with faith group disturbances, is also still imperfect too?.Specially if we want to pretend to honestly hold Christian values (John 8: 7) .
Kei te pai the arohanui (John 8:7)
Massimo, seem, to me, to only mention one matter of concern, in any real detail (in regards of Chinese concerns, to do with The church of Almighty God Christians).Lets consider this, perhaps Massimo might even conclude, that certain claim made by ex members of the exclusive brethren, about the exclusive brethren cult might also be mostly all wrong?.Who knows.It wouldn’t be a great surprise.Lots of citizen do.But lets face it, even the police have found it hard,sometimes, to differentiate between what claims are wrong, or what claims might be correct.
For instance, consider this case study here, the sex abuse claim that were first of all denied https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10435203 ,then years later on were then agreed to actually be correct https://www.smh.com.au/national/potential-witness-in-exclusive-brethren-sex-abuse-case-paid-to-remain-silent-20171018-gz35mf.html
My point is.Being too hasty in concluding that there are definitely nothing wrong, with new religious groups ,or any religious group for that matter. Is exactly that.Perhaps, it could even be, a little too hasty?. Even with regards of historic Catholic sex abuse.
So perhaps this is then valid reason why we/authority might really have need to try and be more prompt in investigating deeper?. After all, our world is now become littered with cases of faith abuse and historic sex abuses, and so on.Littered with all kind of heinous crimes that involved secretive faith groups.
American news reports alone, is been constantly reporting cases where by humans have suffered immensely? (freedom of religion?…pfffftttt )
I note, Massimo seems to make a special point, at the beginning of the video, in regard to material that is academic.I cannot help but wonder (i make no claim to know for sure,as i cannot know this), if Massimo perhaps feel that only academic material is ever of any real value?.
However i do question that idea (some people have) of what seem to suggest, that perhaps only academic material is ever classed as being valuable.Because what about some situation where perhaps there is still little interest from within academic interests .
Consider the voices of, down to earth relatively uneducated people,(people like me) people who’d perhaps suffer in some way, from atrocity, maybe from racialism, or sexism or faith abuses and so on?.
And consider that at one time, some years/generation ago now,within academia,perhaps at that fairly unmindful moment in time it was still thought that perhaps there could never ever be, any such thing as marital rape?.
We can fully rely on those academics then right?
If a women was raped by her husband, back at that time some time ago now,perhaps the (including some un-educated) women’s voices, were the only real decent information available around, on offer?.
So what use was it back then, or even right now either, for us to always only ever care to totally rely only on academic source ?
That could end up dangerous (dangerous specially for people who’d continue to suffer)
So i’m somewhat wary of people might perhaps like to minimalise non-academic voices? (im not interested in judging here as to whether this is how Massimo may feel himself,or not).
They might have biased reason to want to minilmalise non-academic opinion?
Because then perhaps any person who is not mind fully aware enough, might then see that as being some sort of meaningful direction, to lead them to then
decide conclude themselves, to totally disregard any other voices,around, of what are not seen to be coming from within academia?. (IE:and perhaps many slaves voices would have been disregarded and drowned out, due to this way of thinking?.We should all hope it isn’t still continuing in this same manner today?)
In Massimo earlier review of quote:
Rebecca Stott, In the Days of Rain. A Daughter. A Father. A Cult. London:
Massimo has said quote :
Anti-cult literature is normally repetitious, and rarely of interest for scholars.
“Atrocity stories” by “apostates,” the technical term used by sociologists to
designate angry ex-members who have left groups they regard as “cults,” in
particular, tend to repeat the same clichés
end quote (my bold)
Well hey, dont forget that even the slaves voices were also likely to be sounding ,quote : normally repetitious, and rarely of interest for scholars.
Also as well, too right ? (way back in those old days). Remaining that way, for a period of time
Just because ex cult members voices. Might seem like,quote:
repetitions , and rarely be of interest for scholar, as yet
But how does it follow,from that acknowledgement then, that these voices, should then also need to be treated as being totally unworthy of recognition ?
That seem wrong (i feel). Even morally wrong too perhaps? (you be the judge)
That is my question. All my thoughts here, are based on all my own opinion.I post them all here, on my blog now,along with other material ive quoted, for reason of hoping to help to open up further discussion.Doing so, under law of fair use , for research, review and criticism .
Specially at this time,right now,present moment in time when our ability for freedom of speech, is also coming under question.We need to have freedom of speech?. Even angry/hurt people should have some ability to free speech too.Some might have valid reason to be hurt and angry.
We need to just become more mind fully aware, all of us,that not all free speech is equal. Our minds are the tool we all should practice to learn how, to use properly, so as to help us differentiate
That way we might even also learn how, to not be so gullible as to fall into traps of extreme faith abuse (IE:all situation where by people are not born into faith abuse as such, but are in stead being coerced into joining up)
Perhaps even the exclusive brethren cult situation might have been avoided,as well too,if only, more and more people were to try and also become more mind fully aware,each and everyone of us,in every regard, and therefore also all become far more able of discerning right from wrong?
Here below, is a differently sourced news article, on Church of Almighty God