This is the argument, that, as all human are fallible , then therefore don’t be surprised, to see, that in fact the believers are also fallible as well then too
I feel like this argument misses the point.
I don’t study theists, without already understanding, that in fact human are all infallible .I do understand that real well. I know it. Im fully aware of that
That’s not what I concentrate on
Consider this.When i see, how there’s loads and loads of Christians/believers, often talking about having a close relationship with God. And claiming that the bible was inspired by God, and so on too
Then what im looking for, to see evidence of , is that believers will in fact display evidence that they are something unusual in a manner of what might then suggest, that “they do“in fact have this close relationship with a-God of some type, like what they “keep claiming”, to us, that they do have.
We would expect to see something abnormally special about these people then?
Or otherwise, what good/use is a “close relationship” with God anyway. Why bother with it?
Stands to reason right ? (that question)
What real use is this “close relationship” with God
Should be some evidence we’ll all be able to see for ourselves ?
Like, perhaps they’ll seem highly intelligent in some abnormal way?. And so perhaps they be observed to have, a way, to be able to be coming up with supernaturally amazing ideas and stuff?
Idea that few other people even can come up with
Perhaps some particular religious group, will have such a close relation with God, for real , so that they might then also obviously have abnormal healing powers as well too, so much so, that perhaps even our hospitals will be all sending them sick people, so as to have them all healed and cured
After all, holy books did describe that sort of phenomena
I don’t care that i see believers acting normal. And infallible and so forth. That isn’t at all what ever surprises me any at all. I don’t even bother to specially note it really that much. Why would i ? . Its usual human behaviour . Normal
What surprises me, big time though , is that even though so many are claiming to have close relationships with a God. Like what they often do. A God that in holy books is also described ,to be able to impart extra amazing knowledge to certain minds of men .And so on
Then even now, im looking to try and spy anywhere, that i feel i can actually see any evidence of it ,that this is in fact actually occurring
That’s what i’m looking for to see
And i don’t ever feel like i’m ever seeing it ? . Even when I was a young child, this thought used to cross my mind even back then. And so i’d be there, among believers (who were often heard claiming to have “close relationships” with God), and be asking myself and quietly wondering , WTF?
Where is any sign of it ?
It was always “the evidence” i tried real hard to try an see and observe and study
Never did see it though. Not once. Still don’t feel like i ever do today?
And yet, somewhere ,there should be evidence like this, of what should in fact be startlingly obvious (in a “stand-out” way)
Like holy books even go so far as to describe it being so?
We don’t see it ? . Where is it ?. Where can anyone say, look see there, that there is something supernaturally “abnormal”.
Its not just the same like what can also be easily seen,just anywhere else
This here is in fact something supernaturally special
That never really happens ?.
And like.Religions are not producing “supernaturally knowledgeable” brains ? . Extra “super brainy” people . spooky supernaturally so, like what holy books describe often!
Why not then?
This is “the evidence” ,that’s missing. That’s the elephant in the room, that’s worrying
- Evidence of “supernatural phenomena” is one thing
- fallible humans is a separate aspect/issue
When the Catholic Church stuffs up big time, with slow attention to sex abuse
They don’t worry me. I know how humans are fallible. I expect it . It doesn’t surprise me anytime when i see it happen. IE “quite normal”
What worry’s me. What i find way more surprising . Is where is the “evidence” that some thing “abnormal” is at work here?. Something “supernaturally abnormal ”
Like, perhaps i might of seen evidence that at least some group acted “supernaturally abnormal “. Perhaps they might have even stood out as acting “abnormal” in the active manner in which they might have never stopped beseeching the Pope to hurry up and take more prompt attention, to sex abuse ?
Why not ?
Then we might at least then be all able to say. Hey look at there at that (evidence there) ,that there is something we don’t see all the time, that there is in fact something abnormal ,and therefore supernatural too
We never ever saw it ? .
Never ever do. Never see anything much out of the norm
The only way that justice, finally arrived, was usual normal same way , slowly ,just like always. Like normal
What about the brethren cult ?
Who seems supernaturally amazing ?
They just use all the same normal lies and usual same deceitful ways too . Like what so many other religious charity rip off merchants also all are as well too
Perhaps that explain why non of the so called “real Christian” (real Christian-nudge nudge wink wink, say no more) groups, will dare to come out, themselves, and begin to be vocal against cults ?
Too scared ?
Too scared that their own cover might also get blown too. Found out, to be rip off too, in the process
Perhaps they are fairly much all tarred with the same brush?(still so,even if by different brush-strokes)
The cults act similar like what the pawns ,do, within a game of chess. While the pawns are sitting safe-as, then the kings and queen and all the rest of the bunch, can sure as hell all rest up in peaceful sense of blissfulness themselves. Without a worry in the world. No loss of sleep
And be doing well too off of the charity cash cow teat, to boot?
What a real sweet number ?
So yeah . Believers don’t put me off God . It’s the lack of evidence of God, that’s what puts me off from believing in God myself
If I were to believe in God
I would need to be, being dishonest with myself . Dishonest, with myself, about my belief.
Because i just do see any real good evidence
Evidence, for me, is the main key i always look for