God allows it to continue and thrive

Couple of ex ebs in discussion over why cults are able to cause harm like they do

These people unfaltering faith in God, is causing us all to need to suffer . The same manner, like what it always has caused us all to need to suffer. Right throughout time (ever since human had began believing in the idea of Gods)

There is a price to pay for these faiths. A immense cost . A cost of what grows larger by the day. Will continue to grow larger too, for so long as the majority population remain faithful


Comment :

This is nothing new,or unusual ,all cults practice the same thing,this week Leah Remini had an interview with some JWs who had the same experiance ,its all part of the brainwashing process to remove any family ties and cement allegance to the cult .Once again,the brethren’s ‘anti natural’doctrine fails to recognize what Christ said on the cross,bestowing responsibility for his mother to one of the disciples.Brethren simply don’t know their bibles and even if they did,are afraid to mention it


Peter M Clarke Your right. If you can control the family links then you control the person and people. So evil. Yes God allows it to continue and thrive???


No,God doesn’t ‘allow it to continue and thrive’,naive people who know better allow it to continue and thrive…naive people who knew better stood back and said nothing while people who had the courage of their convictions stood up and were thrown out and paid for it.Not one of these so called leaders (despots)or ‘servants who worked for hire’ ( ok,’gifts’)would have got to first base had the brethren collectively said ‘NO’


Peter M Clarke Yes you are right. Guess man is responsible to God for what he says and does.


yup,that’s an ‘individual exercise,scripture including Paul’s ministry warned us over and over about people who would come in among us,’preaching a different gospel’…Paul told the Galatians to have ‘nothing to do with them.’( and to use one of the brethren’s little sayings’if Paul were here today he would say the same thing’)We ignored those warnings


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At the end of the day, if God never ever existed , then obviously there also is nothing that a-God is ever able to do, about the situation

Is there?

But rather than face up to this, human carry on with this back an forth discussion, of what achieves nothing other than to comfort people who would like to think a God might perhaps exist

Meanwhile there is a huge cost of what Human are faced with paying due to this situation. The situation with the exclusive brethren cult is only a little wee small part of the collateral cost of Human faith in a God, a God of what in fact also doesn’t even exist

But most sadly, you wont find it easy to help faithful folk to see this reality either. As faithful folk are also been known to be less intelligent people https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/athiests-religious-people-intelligence-smarter-study-imperial-college-london-a8183131.html 

There are a number of studied now, of what suggest this to be correct conclusion

The evidence of this is widespread (evidence that religious people are in fact less intelligent) as well too.Consider the amount of shonky faith groups of what are able to pull the wool over the eyes of people within  their congregation, so as to easily rip them off left right and centre. Or consider the way that faithful people are easily led to go and become human bombs, after them faithfully believing that these act will then help them to have the right to pass into paradise

Those acts, require people of lower intelligence

The long list of evidence is huge. And it goes right back through time too. Even ancient faithful people were rendered less intelligent too, as they were easily led to agree to sacrifice members of their own family, after their own stupidity of faithfully believing that these act might then help bring less-famine, or perhaps might help to favour or protect the rest of them in some way

Time is littered with mega long lists of evidence, of how faith can render the believer stupid (less intelligent )

Now i can see how/why faithful believers, will find this a hard fact to swallow. I can. Because for one thing, i know that they also have so much invested in their faith belief. They need their faith to become fruitful. They have reason to need their faith belief to be right. After all, they also are fully aware of how much they have already lost out on, due to faith abuse and whatever else

But wanting something to be correct, still doesn’t do anything to help make it actually so. Does it?


There is plenty of evidence, available, of what suggest that their faith is more likely incorrect 

For one thing, we need to ask ourselves, why the cults are all able to cause the amount of harm like what they are in fact freely able to continue to cause

If in fact a-God would exist

Few decent-human would be happy to just stand by, and do nothing, and allow the carnage and harm to continue ,like it does what’s caused through religious belief

So then, why believe that a-God might want to do so then ?

It doesn’t make good sense to think a loving God might do.Which of course ,would then also help to explain  reason why, human would then have also had need to go on and concoct intricate fanciful story/myth like what are contained within holy books (of what more often still doesn’t stand up to scrutiny either. Which then prove how the story/myth are been concocted )

Without addition of that far-fetched  story/myth, the evidence (of what we all can freely observe) ,couldn’t have been able to make any good sense (so human then had to concoct these story so as  to try and help it make sense)

So humans have concocted far fetched story, so as to try and create ways to retain their faith .

We are all paying the price of this stupidity

The cost of this stupidity has already been paid for (partly) via the sadness of excommunication between family members (like with cults). The full cost of this stupidity is now about to be fully paid for, by all of us humans, as global warming and environmental destruction start to bite in and begin to harm millions and billions of people big time, very soon

You mark my word

The foolishness of human faith is about to be brought home to everyone of us human

Big time

Those fires within the USA, today, are merely only the very tip of the iceberg of what is soon about to begin to occur from now on

This is the cost of faith

This is the cost of faithful foolishness. The cost of people’s lack of intelligence ,in faithfully believing that a-God might exist, and is watching over us all

When in fact a-God doesn’t even exist .Never did

That level of mistaken faith-belief,just doesn’t come cheaply. Mistake of that level, are not cheap mistakes. They were not cheap mistakes for human to make in times past. And there is no good reason to believe it might be any cheaper in future time ahead either

It is hugely costly. While human would refuse to observe the evidence 

The evidence available. Tells us . That a-God cannot exist, when we open our eyes and observe and consider the amount of faith harm, we see, of what we know is being allowed such free rein to continue unhindered

This is the stark evidence we are faced with

The longer we refuse to face it. Then the more we will all continue to suffer and pay. And the higher the collateral cost will need to continue to become as well too

This is reality

Faithful people can wank on about their faith belief, as long as they feel like

However it wont help to make things better (other than placebo effect, by helping to create a comforting feeling)

When a-God doesn’t even exist. As they might just as well be believing in the tooth fairy . Or big foot. Or Jabberwocky

This is reality

And today, mother nature is about to bring this reality right home to humans worldwide. Via onset of immense amount of suffering of what will be caused through effect of global warming and environmental destruction. (but was ultimately cause through human faith in a-God of what was also thought to be supposed to be able to create earths)

Your prayers wont help to stop this suffering

You’ll be forced (be forced by effect of mother nature) to need to learn to use intelligence ,rather than faith

Mark my word

Sadly faith folk more often than not will only ever learn things the hard way (the same way like the faithful folk,of ancient times, had learned the hard way too, when they had set about learning about how sacrificing their family member, wouldn’t do anything to help to protect them against famines and so on)

Even back in those times, their faith had only served to help to create a placebo comfort

The same way like it still does today

This is reality

God doesn’t allow anything. Why?. Because a-God also doesn’t even exist. (non existent things, also obviously cannot do anything, so as to help allow things . Its us human ,who are the ones whom are allowing these things)


They might just as well state that it’s the jabberwocky of what allows these things

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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