Mother of 15yo killed by Rouxle Le Roux calls for calm


The mother of the young teen killed by hit-and-run driver Rouxle Le Roux is appealing for calm after her son’s killer began receiving death threats.

Nathan Kraatskow, 15, died when Le Roux hit him as he was riding his bike through an Albany intersection in May. Le Roux, a learner driver, had consumed wine and cannabis earlier that day.

She handed herself into police 16 hours later.

The 19-year-old has become a nationally reviled figure since she was sentenced to home detention on Friday – and is reportedly being targeted by angry members of the public.

“On Saturday night she had people outside her house, screaming that they want to kill her,” her lawyer Belinda Sellars told NZME.

“She has been too afraid to sleep. It has been really frightening for her.”

Now Nathan’s mother, Charlene Kraatskow, has issued a public plea for people to leave Le Roux alone.

We did not do this for people to harass her and to go to her house,” she posted on Facebook.

“Please that is not what we want. Leave her alone and let the justice system do what it has to!”

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In my opinion, the root of problem does not rest with the teenager Rouxle Le Roux who lacked empathy

Jailing the teen wont help to fix the root of the issue. Sadly, when human feel hurt and deep sadness, like what the parents of Nathan’ naturally will feel. We all are (myself included)naturally inclined to want for some form of revenge, revenge of what we also prefer to see as being justice

But is it justice served?.

I question if in fact its justice. I do

If the lack of empathy is something what in fact runs far deeper within our society. If in fact the root of the cause of it has very little to do with this one teenager named Rouxle Le Roux . Then what will they achieve through punishing this girl then?. How much do they hope to achieve by doing that

For instance, punishing this teenager wont help do anything to make amends for severe  lack of empathy exposed by antic of the exclusive brethren clan ?

Will it?

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Witnesses to the crash that killed three members of the Exclusive Brethren church told police a “clean-up crew” of secretive church members tried to take control of the crash site, according to newly released police documents.

Church member Russell Stewart pled guilty in January to causing the deaths of his 48-year-old wife Susanna, their 16-year-old daughter Sadie, and family friend James Wearmouth, 18, in the crash on June 6, 2016.

The first witness at the crash claimed Stewart walked away from the scene, where his wife and Wearmouth lay dead in the car and his daughter dying in the back seat.

More than 20 members of the church group then swarmed the site. A witness said they appeared to be trying to keep the events a secret.

The information has come to light through police logs, witness statements and photos from the night, released under the Official Information Act to the Herald.

Stewart was found nearly two hours after the crash, and a breath test recorded 298 micrograms of alcohol. The legal limit is 250mcg.

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My point is

The root of this lack of empathy runs way far deeper within our whole society at large

Our society lacks empathy

Picking on one girl who so happen to act morally immature . Still wont help to do a bloody thing to help fix anything. It wont

I dare anyone to argue what they figure imprisoning the girl will help do

I dare them

How will it help fix the overriding issue ?

Id like to see them put forward some sort of well reasoned plan,to explain how the hell they figure they’ll help to fix anything, by imprisoning one young girl teen ager who is in fact a product of a society at large of what also in itself severely lacks empathy 

Our whole society severely lacks empathy (generally)

This is the root cause of what then helps to produce these teenagers like Rouxle Le Roux who therefore may also lack empathy too

What the fuck will they hope to achieve, long term, by picking on and punishing this teenager, or that teenager,or any of the other ones for that matter ?

It wont fix the real seat of the problem

Society, as a whole, need to step up to take more responsibility for the serious deeply ingrained lack of empathy, of what now permeate our whole society

1.Hell, even our street are full of people who are forced to live rough out on the street. A number are in fact dying out there on our streets too

Petitions put forward to government often over that then?

2.Mean while ,at the same time,we also have rich people, a fair number of whom will be running their businesses, in cunning ways, in which they can then escape paying taxes .

How many petitions put forward to government against it?

3. Then we will have all manner of church guru too. More and more groups of them growing . All of them guaranteed right to claim charity status ,like a lolly scramble, mainly because their business involves an act of helping to spread religion. They may even be able to apply for property rate exemptions too. Should they decide they’ll wish to run their faith group business , in line with the authoritarian tradition

Then they can do. No problem. In some ways they act like a law unto themselves. Can feel free to hurt and harm certain people very badly. New Zealand citizen, who’s lives are unaffected personally,  wont care to say a thing about it.

No petition put forward to government?

4. People in top jobs, what manage to earn decent money each week, few of them will care to consider the plight of the low paid cleaners or fast foods shop attendants and so on, who’ll all need to work real long hours, to survive

Many petitions put forward over that ?

5.People who can afford insurance policy to cover private hospital health medical help, quite likely wont care to consider, the lives of people whom are unable to achieve this.

What about petitions about that injustice?

6.People who earn enough money to be able to go on holidays, wont think to consider, what their life might otherwise be like if in fact they never ever able to go on holiday

Anyone petitioning about this injustice ?

7.People who are financially able to obtain top lawyers so as to protect themselves against injustices, are unlikely to think to consider the ,lives of other people whom in fact cannot afford to obtain top lawyers what are good enough to help fight for their rights

How many petition against this matter then?

And so on

Our society lack empathy. And the children are products of this society.

Lets face it

Even Brethren are seriously LACKING EMPATHY too. Read the news article above, if you don’t believe it. Read this one here too

Consider this

Was there any petition , put forward to governments, to try to have brethren involved locked up and put away in jail ?

Was there?

Was there any petition put forward, over that controversy ?

No there wasn’t. Generally citizen just couldn’t give a damn. Could they.They only care to give a damn, when deciding to make a scape goat of some wayward young teenager they choose to single out, of whom is in fact a product of our society at large of what is also

Seriously lacking empathy


The mob (with the sheeple herd mentality)isn’t interested in paying attention to attending to the wider picture. Are they. For one thing, to even think about it, requires them to stop and think deeply, an as such use up large amount of their own energy, which is physically draining

They feel far too lazy to bother

Don’t think im condoning the action of Rouxle Le Roux. I’m not.There is a difference between me understanding the underlaying reason for action, compared to condoning it

I understand the reason why (the girl acted immature and with lack of empathy)

I don’t condone it. But im saying, our whole society needs to buck up its responsibility first and foremost. Set a proper decent example together themselves, first off

So that our youth might then have better examples of role models

I don’t condone the action of Rouxle Le Roux or the killer of Grace Millane for that matter either

I don’t. I abhor their evil acts. I do. I’m appalled to know my fellow citizen would act like this. It deeply saddens me. In some ways it does in fact feel like as if its been part of my own family who’s been harmed (reality is, that this is in fact fairly correct too, if we stop and think about it, long and hard enough)

But however those feelings of mine, are still beside the point for now. As the deeper question still remains, even although jails still remain a required necessarily right now

What real good use are jails in the long term?

That the deeper question what we all should begin addressing

What use is longer sentencing?. Does punishment and longer jail term sentencing, serve to help lower crime rate?. Does punishment and more severe jail term, serve to help really bring out the very best in people?. Stop people from re-offending?

Does it?

What about the situation within the USA then?. They have punishment so severe that they’ll still even retain clear conscience, themselves, even after sentencing certain people to death by execution


Has it actually helped the USA to keep crime rates down?.

Has it?

No it hasn’t. I would argue that it has in fact helped to magnify the problem. Its only helped to further embed the deeply ingrained problem of lack of empathy.

You feel you don’t believe it?

Well hey, take a look at these youtube videos, below, for yourselves then.

Ask yourselves.

If punishment is in fact the good answer

Then why are US prisons, more likely to have inmates what will re-offend 


Oh and before anyone is thinking that perhaps more religion might help. More religious participation might help.

Consider this first

There is way more population of religious people within the USA, than what there are in Nordic countries. Or New Zealand

So religion is not the answer. The long term answer is

More compassion and empathy

A heathy empathy helps to create (produce) a healthier group of human

Empathy is related to human ability of being understanding . OUR collective ability of being able to be mind fully aware and analytically aware, more discerning and less sheeple and so on

We are acting like a herd of sheeple people when we jump on the emotionally driven band-wagon,  choose to rush off in a dither grab hold of our pitch fork and baseball bats (metaphorically speaking), and set forth in a lynch party, mind set on stringing up the youth Rouxle Le Roux so as to have her sentenced to jail term

We are not thinking sensibly (doing that)

What will she learn in jail?

What will she learn in jail.Will she possibly get roped into gangs of other female inmate ,whom are all being taught to act more violently?. With even less empathy too perhaps?. Will she be accompanied by worse role models ,than previously

Will she ?

We are acting like a herd of sheeple dumb fucks. If we really still believe jail term and punishment would serve to be any real long term answer

Have some compassion.

Have some compassion for Nathan Kraatskow and parents of  Nathan Kraatskow first and foremost . But then let also not forget to have a little compassion for Rouxle Le Roux  and Rouxle Le Roux parents as well too


We are ALL products of this same society what obviously seriously lacks empathy and compassion

At the end of the day, NO AMOUNT of jail time will ever help to bring anyone back again.

To do justice to the deaths of people who die in these way. We should ALL  take it upon OURSELVES to ask ourselves why its happening. To ask ourselves ,what we can actually do OURSELVES in CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS  so as to then begin to help prevent it happening in future

We need to accept our own responsibility

Accept our own responsibility for OUR society. For our youth (our youth, is not only including our own children, but it also include all the children of other people as well too)

We need to cut down the walls what divide us. Similar to like what already happen with the wall in Germany (between east and west).

Quit thinking with the “us” and “them” mentality

Turn toward thinking about US  as the whole box and tackle of what constitute QUALITY of life.

That way we will then ALL be acting RESPONSIBLY, in attempting to BE  decent ROLE MODELS  for OUR youth

Im not trying to pretend we human can ever hope to achieve utopia or perfection .

I’m not

However the fact we already know/accept that we would have little hope to ever achieve perfection, still SHOULDNT  need to become any good reason why we shouldn’t still try to do far better than what we do right now

Our otherwise

Otherwise we are GUILTY of simply succumbing to a self fulfilling  affirmation

Similar to this


Which is what we are ALL subconsciously involved in ACCEPTING right now . We have all SUBCONSCIOUSLY agreed to accept a broken society. A society of what Abrahamic religion have also often been too highly active in affirming .

They had affirmed how it would be expected to happen

We then all subconsciously just then proceeded TOGETHER to help carry out that affirmed plan  

Didn’t we ?

In some ways, we all help to make up a type of CULT  . Human cult society. Beside the word culture, originally comes from the Latin word cultus anyway which means ‘care’, and from the French colere which means ‘to till’ as in ’till the ground’

Why are WE ALLOWING that our OWN CULTUS (Ie: society as a whole) , would be allowed to be HIJACKED so as to then become divided, so that walls could then be built up between us, so that then the GREEDY people, like what Bruce Hales fairly likely is, might then have a FREEDOM in which to teach divided people to “lack empathy”, meaning that they might then also become more inclined to cover up wrong doing

Like in situation like this one 

We should demand our CULTUS be kept more together?

Demand our right to remain somewhat responsible for all that goes on within our CULTUS (our society as a whole, or “our garden” to be “tilled by” us all so to speak)

How dare they (cult leaders like Bruce Hales and so on)suggest it is none of our business ?

How dare they continue to rip people s lives apart and manipulate and be the cause of hurt and harm like what they do

Father of two kicked out of Gloriavale, accused of disloyalty

A father of two has been kicked out of Gloriavale after reportedly showing a lack of loyalty.

The 22-year-old man was kicked out on Sunday night, leaving behind his wife and children, aged two years old and one month old.

Newshub understands he has been accused of disloyalty for speaking to people outside of the Gloriavale community. The man has four siblings who have all already left the religious sect.

Newshub understands the man is distraught, as he was born in Gloriavale and loves his family. He had no intention of leaving them.

It’s understood Gloriavale’s leadership got the man’s wife to say she wanted him to leave, but he says he wanted to stay.

The man is being supported by Christians outside of the community on the West Coast.

It’s understood that in the last year, one of the four fathers kicked out of the sect has been allowed back in because he passed on information that led to this latest man being kicked out.

How dare they mess with the MINDS of people of OUR cultus like that?

Who the fuck do they think they are anyway?


They are not God. Never ever were. Long overdue time they need to be reminded about that. Be put back in their place. As one of US .


I see a time coming, when we human of planet earth, when ALL of US will need to step forward stand up and begin to accept our own RENEWED responsibility for OUR CULTUS

No GOOD  ever comes from us all passing the buck on ,and pretending like as if those “other people’s” children are of none of our own responsibility

Who the hell are we trying to fool?


You cannot convince me that Jesus would even be happy about it

Why the hell do US people pretend as if its ok ?

Rather than attend to the root of the problem. Instead we have a lynch mob, what gather on social media, set on getting their REVENGE  by finding a scape goat to lock away

As if, simply attending to doing that will achieve anything

Most of them wont be able to offer reasoned argument as to what they feel this action will achieve, anyway

Why so?

Well because, they never will have stopped to have thought all that much about the plan anyway. Sheeple people don’t think things through analytically do they. They usually just suddenly up and run-off with the rest of the sheeple mob as it scatter off in all different directions

We could end up with jails all over the place similar to like what the USA runs already. Even bring execution of criminal back in again here in NZ too. Sheeple people still wouldn’t be any the wiser that shit actually isn’t going down as planned. And mainly for REASONS  because, there never was a WELL THOUGHT THROUGH plan in the first place anyway

The herd mentality remains strong, sometimes ,even some time after a country begin to be classed as secular



About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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