The Theft of Our Values

Christian delays progress. Christianity is delaying progress what might help see that aspects of religious tyranny such as this on here, might finally cease

Ian Mckay struggles, today, to fight his oppressors, not because ex exclusive brethren member don’t care to try to help him out with the fight against religious extremism. But more so because, all those ex eb members, themselves, are also already all battling to try and stabilize all of their own lives as well, due the shipwreck of life that Christianity has bestowed upon us

Most Christian still wont CARE enough, to be prepared to begin to face up to this. This then of course will also then help to further stifle the progression as well too

This also explain why it is, we are still hearing no voice coming from within Christendom at large (IE: they are ALL not interested in helping to aid progression toward freedom) , in regard of this oppression that Ian McKay is forced to struggle with

We will still sort this out in the long run.We will. Even if it perhaps wont get to fully occur, within time span of our own lives

We can at least be thankful that Christian oppression of progress, didn’t manage to stifled and stop reformation of accusation of heresy, of what at one time, had of meant death at the stake, for some people, in pervious generations before our own

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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12 Responses to The Theft of Our Values

  1. Are you familiar with the writing of Frank Schaeffer, son of Francis Schaeffer and author of Why I Am An Atheist Who Believes In God? He was part of the early ‘Moral Majority’ but turned his back on it to embrace liberal values. He’s an interesting guy with a unique take on this kind of thing.

    • ExEB says:

      Hi Vee Jay. No i haven’t heard about him before. I’ll be totally interested to do some research into the guy, so big thanks for the heads up about it. Im not sure how to think about someone being both a believer, and an atheist, at the same time .How the heck would that work. Perhaps i’ll figure the possibility of that, out.

    • ExEB says:

      Vee Jay, from what I can tell, after doing a little speed research, i “suspect” he is agnostic but one that also understand , that an act of claiming to be agnostic, wont then help him to sell so-many books very well. His title he uses, is obviously fairly beneficial in aiding him, to sell his book, as it gives him that “different slant” to help make his ideas seem loike they are something completely different . However, in principle i agree with his stance. It would be nice if it were all able to live the way in which he describe. But I doubt it will occur, until such time as some more regulations are put in place, through government intervention, so as help allow it to begin to happen for “everyone of us” universally. At which stage, our community will have then become like “the community church” in principle anyway . By that stage, Frank Schaeffer will no longer “need to go” to the exclusive Greek church (like what he mentions within this video link ill post, to find out about how some other people are doing within his community either.

      He wont have so much need to bother

      Because the community will have already taken the place of the society like what he describes . This community church will mainly be more interested in the general wellbeing of everyone within the community. Whether you believe in God, or not, then wont be by then what’s most important to anyone of us, any longer . At that stage , people wont care (so much) about whether you do believe or don’t believe

      It wont happen of course though, until governments are willing to intervene so as to help it to happen. Because there will be people whom will be against idea of it. Mainly because they like to retain their place of power status. Their ability to be guru of who can also get wealthy from acting as guru

      What’s more, our government will remain wary to ever dare to intervene either , until such time we are able to hear more from the VOICES of liberal theists, who’d perhaps begin to CARE ENOUGH so as to help make demand (to governments concerned) that it might begin to happen

      At the present moment ,most people are banking on the idea that perhaps all of a sudden, something “supernatural” might occur, so that suddenly power hungry greedy theist might (be changed by God?) decide for themselves, to change their ways

      Which is most unlikely to ever happen

      • I am agnostic, although I sympathise with a lot of atheists, there is a vocal minority who are just as dogmatic and aggressive in their beliefs as the worst of the PB’s. I joined a Marxist group for a few years, and I found their militant stance particularly grating and closed minded, especially when a few of them believed such odd stuff as the ‘simulation hypothesis’ etc, and they based their whole creed on unprovable historical materialism. When you look at the likes of Dawkins and Peterson, and the way they use ‘evo psych’ to hurt women, poc and LGBT people, I want to stay as far away from them as possible.

      • ExEB says:

        Yes Vee Jay i understand why you’d feel that way.At the end of the day we human are not clones and as such we will differ. There are people who feel highly motivated to become active. But then this phenomena is also observed in connection with a number of social issues too. Racism, sexism, religion, environmentalism, animal welfare and so on. All these issues will draw out a number of people, who’s attitude may then feel/seem militant, to some other people?.

        Everyone is free to choose to act differently. While i don’t always agree with everything about the way that some other people may choose to approach things. What I try to understand, is the reason behind why they may choose to approach matters in the way they do.

        To be honest, i feel our world is now gotten itself so far up shit creek, without a paddle to return with. There’s a possibility that perhaps reason that people might have been best to express anger, way more earlier on than what they are now.

        Perhaps then, it might then have not never needed to get to sounding even half so shrill, as like what it often does tend to do right now?

        Perhaps I could be classed as militant. I can be outspoken. And angry . But I have yet to fly planes into building so as to kill heaps of people. I doubt i’ll ever become the cause of mass suicide, like what religious groups have

        People will feel happy to declare that as being a part of peoples religious liberty. There will be preachers at pulpits every single week, motivating their congregation to think of non believers as being evil doers. Hardly no one ever consider any of them to be acting militant?

        Militant people are usually people whom feel willing to swim STRONGLY against the current

      • ExEB says:

        The way i figure it, is that,as with most things, there is the yin and the yang . We could say that the anger what’s being openly expressed ,these days, about a number of social issues, is the yang of the yin within the passive indifference

        I don’t see any other way that changes develops. Like, would racism ever cease to exist, without the open expression of militant-like anger?

        Perhaps open anger, is often not necessarily by choice. But rather due to element of necessity?. This necessity occur once indifference has become common

      • ExEB says:

        I empathize with you needing to put up with that idiot Craig Hoyle.You hit the nail on the head when you said , how “short sighted and naive” that liz Goldswain is too. They demand you to post “context”. This is perfect example, of educated people remaining like dumb-fucks . Who the hell need a whole load of context, so long as you can know how to use your own head properly.Just saying. Just saying so you understand, that i understand EXACTLY what you are coming up against.And i dont give a damn, what any of those ex eb’s may think about me, for sticking up for you either

        Call me dogmatic, hee hee .All good. Ive already a record, for being known for sticking up for, any of the people on eb-forum, who’ll get mistreated like as if they be under-dog.I wont stand for it. Craig is possibly jealous of how creative you are, or whatever. So don’t bother to take it to heart. No need to reply. Just letting you know im watching an can see you being mistreated. They are from a very narcissistic type background. Many perhaps dont know any better. See through/past the way they react, understand that its to do with the lingering cult-personality trait, V J

      • ExEB says:

        All im saying, is dont “bother” to begin to question what yourself and myself,both know to be correct. You have experienced how the nastiness exist among OB.You are not at all stupid. Far from it.I know how my brother and myself both stopped and visited an OB aunt of our (i can get it confirmed, by witness of this brother too, if need be), it was the very first time i’d ever met her in my whole life. As you’d understand, i was totally looking forward to the experience too,and it was even me who’d made the final choice, to MAKE SURE to specially stop in there, on our way while traveling north. My choice to want to meet her.But sadly what i only experienced was highly judgmental and condemning,religious nastiness

        However,i doubt you’ll convince many ex ebs about it though. Could be a bit like trying to convince a concrete block wall, that it’s been made of concrete?. But don’t bother to let THAT get to you.You really don’t need to prove yourself as “worthy”, to anyone, either.

    • ExEB says:

      I was thinking in some ways, maybe it might be a good thing, that there would also be some non believers actively involved in church groups. Like in the way what Frank Schaeffer describes. Because perhaps it might then help change the degree of certainty. Which might then perhaps even allow people to begin to learn to accept differences better

    • ExEB says:

      Re your last comment ,my answer is that i wouldn’t bother to waste my time. Be senseless.Feel far to much like i were back among Brethren again. There’d be special “concern” meeting held due to brow-beating concern over context of certain comments, agonizing over whether certain comments might have need to be “shunned and separated” from. And similar “black and white” mentality too, like what would see the same excommunication happen.

      And similar to like what occur within Brethren, there’s loads of people who’ll be “to meek” to stand up against it as well

      Anytime they want to discuss the situation,then they can always come here and comments here on my blog.I wont have any need to bother to try and get rid of them, either.

    • ExEB says:

      Check out symptom of covert narcissism . It may explain why people would like to deny certain peoples right to comment and participate freely

      In previous forum,there were moderator who’d decide to even go so far as to spy on forum members private inbox messages too. Religion is riddled with the controlling attitude that wont stand to allow other peoples freedom. They’ll happily pick on people “they see” as being the weaker

      I’ll never turn a blind eye and put up with that shit, for to long. I’ll stand up for them people what other forum member will go-along-with “mistreating” like as if they are seen as being the ex eb underdog. I don’t care less whether they may be believer, or non believer, either

    • ExEB says:

      This video explain how they work it . See here

      Notice that once Craig define his target. He’ll then proceed to cozy up to moderator . So as to try and gain “their backing” so as to shut down the-targets” voice.The moderator should know better. Same like a whole lot of other eb should also as well. But trouble is, they all be busily trying to carefully “dance the jig”, to expectation of the sheeple populist tune.

      I could make this a new blog post. But out of pity for those involved, i wont bother to, this time. They evidently already got rid of a number of decent ex ebs. Then when it happen that eb’s are proceeding to litigate against someone on the forum, suddenly even the professional psychologist among them,is then observed to be making their own demand, for more participant to hurry up and donate to funds. They might be bright university trained people. But in my mind, they just don’t seem to display a whole lot of intuition. They didn’t read “answer” to this particular-scenario, within any of their university study book. Or what?

      Anyone with half a brain might easily work it out for themselves. Even without need of “seeing” a whole lot of “context”,either . Make me wonder, how the hell they “feel proud” of their deed of mobbing someone?. They feel “so big” in doing it?

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