Spirit of God

Interesting video. Still an interesting discussion for myself to listen to, even although i consider myself to be an atheist. An atheist even if im an agnostic type atheist

From what i felt i could figure out, from experience of my time spent in Church, and around believers outside of Churches too, always seemed to me that Church people/believers were always all expecting to one day see Jesus return back to earth again , “in the person”.  (which would be similar to like us expecting to see our family members to return again, after death)

This therefore amounting to the resurrection within the physical sense of the word

Personally, i feel, i find that too hard to see ever actually happening. Too hard to believe (for myself right now anyway).

But what if the teaching have been misrepresented ? . Twisted around even, perhaps, maybe even so as to help suit the greed of a system based on capitalism . Think about it . If humans could have been led to believe to expect to see Jesus return again in the physical sense of the word ( physically return in the flesh). Then upon believing that they should expect to see that happen, then they might then also be far less likely to see reason to need to try being more proactive themselves

Correct ?

They wouldn’t so bother to. They’d be inclined to sit-back ,and fall into a trance and begin to accept the suffering they were living within, as something what should be totally expected to see happening anyway, until such time as Jesus would return in the flesh, to then take action himself, so as to change it all ,and to stop it

But if we were to instead think about the “spirit of Jesus”, return. IE: return of Jesus more so within the “spiritual sense” of the word. Then i figure i could then begin to see how this might then even be quite possible to actually happen

I could

It’s not entirely impossible, for the spirit of Jesus to return. Its little more impossible to happen, than it need be for the “spirit of kindness” to return into mind a criminal of whom had previously been convicted of violent acts. It can happen. Correct?. It can happen. And there are in fact times when it does happen (nothing supernatural about it, either, other than love begets love, and so on )

For instance, if the “spirit of Jesus” were to return to earth, perhaps we could then say that we would soon expect to begin to see more attention being paid to aspects of human suffering on earth. Things like the lives of children living in poverty (even within our own society where there should really be no good reason to have need to happen. It happens due to evil element of our feeling of indifference that is then gone on to have become like a virus on our planet earth).

Or attention to suffering caused through homelessness. Or attention to aspect of life what in turn lead people down a pathway toward jail terms. To acts of violence

Or attention to acts of sexism. Or racism and so on

Perhaps even attention to religious liberty within the true sense of the word. Because lets be bluntly honest here, we DONT HAVE any honest form of religious liberty. Do we. For if we did do, then why the hell would we see any evidence of us ex eb and ex JWs and ex Gloriavale members and so on ,all openly involved in expressing their suffering ,like what we do observe to be happening

The only thing what can help to explain this phenomena . Is that our level of religious liberty, is a lie . Its dishonest. Its dishonest because of how it requires luck. We are required to rely on luck of our birth right

We don’t have religious liberty. Because religion has been allowed to be turned into a form of tyranny. The same way like what was being done, back within the times long ago too, when Jesus was walking the earth .Same situation, just a different generation

Something of what Jesus was in fact actively against allowing to happen (John 2:13-22 )

Back then.This was the physical spirit of Jesus in action

If we were to ever see the spirit of Jesus return here to earth again. Then we would in effect also be able to begin to see evidence that these things would start to be actively attended to

I’m not superstitious . But I figure that if I were to see these things begin to happen, i would be forced to wonder that this might in deed be fairly close to (me) actually experiencing a miracle occur

I  thoroughly enjoyed listening to the discussion on the video by Global Witness. I might even feel like perhaps I wouldn’t necessarily always agree with every single thing of what I sometimes see/hear Global Witness discuss within his videos . But I don’t care . I really don’t. As I still don’t see any good reason why that i should ever need to be seeing that, as being any kind of deal breaker. Why do we human feel like we’d ever have need to be agreeing on everything ?

I feel like, perhaps we human could do well, to learn to celebrate the acknowledgment then we wont always agree on everything. For one thing, think about how many wars might have been avoided ,if only we had of accepted it. Or, think about how much less division might have need exist, within religion and religious groups. And even so within Christianity

We are bound to not get every single thing right every time a coconut. Its impossible. We are human. We are not perfect. Never are. Never will be. If we could learn to accept that fact, then perhaps that might go a long way to help ourselves to then keep our feet grounded . We then wouldn’t need to have half as many Bruce Hales not anywhere near as almighty as they’d have liked to think they are , type people then either

Would we ?

Collectively we might then begin to able to work in together to help return the spirit of Jesus. The same type spirit that was quite likely manifested in other religious figure as well too. Like Muhammad or Buddha and so on .Plus were definitely observed even among First Nation spiritual leaders as well

Who knows, perhaps a spirit of what will even exist within atheists, as well too

Because at the end of the day, the basis of this spirit, seem (to me anyway) to come down to essence of love and kindness .To empathy and compassion and so on. Generally most human are

Our biggest problem is that we tend to think as if acting within this spirit will necessarily need to mean we are then accepting to lose things . Mainly wealth/power

We are stupidly blind in thinking in this way. Deluded and misled

The silly thing is, we never face up to the fact that our own greedy way spirit of thinking , means that we are in fact  accepting a huge massive loss of our own now already anyway.

We are already losing out big time


For one thing, jails do not come cheap . Do they?. They certainly don’t. What’s even worst is that we are needing to build more and more jails as well too. Violence is already been immensely costly loss FOR US all, a loss of what in fact also continue to keep growing bigger and bigger all the time too ,as the generations pass by as well. Hunger and poverty ,is already immensely costly loss for us all too, mainly because it is PART OF the root of reason behind why people would even become thieves in the first place. And so on

This is reality of the situation


It is, Even although we may remain un-aware of the fact that it is

As far as i can tell, seem to me that there will have been greedy minded people whom have always been aware of these problems. But being that they preferred to remain  greedy, and powerful through acceptance of their own greedy spirit within , they then chose to set out to deceive people into believing that human are all inherently evil

Therefore also seeding the idea that no action should need to be taken by us human who might otherwise have cared to bother to take action an try and do something to fix the root of these problems. They seeded the idea ,that we human should learn how to turn a blind eye to our inner feeling of angst , through participation in  MEDITATIVE  religious acts of affirmation

This way, we were being coerced into , subconsciously accepting  that the EVIL SPIRIT  is within us (inherently). And so as such ,was therefore something of what we would ALSO have ABSOLUTELY no hope in hell of ever stopping/changing/altering

But that we should instead wait on Jesus to physically return in person

To  then  take action to change it “for us” 

Think about this

Consider how wrong this type of attitude is?. Consider how child like this type of attitude is. We want the end result (like children will often WANT to have). But we want it to happen, by having someone else (IE: Jesus) come and do it for us .


In other words we’d far rather not need to accept the responsibility to act ourselves

And it was the traditional practice of meditation through religion that has in turn helped us find a way in which to affirm unto ourselves that this is how it should be expected to happen

Similar way to how all types of affirmations will always help human subconsciously learn how to accept certain things

Similar to something like this

Religions have been hijacked for evil purpose. Even Christendom religion has been hijacked too. Religions have been hijacked to help affirm to human being , to subconsciously accept , that human are all inherently evil beings. And so as such ,should therefore never consider the idea that they could hope to change their ways themselves 

This way of thinking. Is within itself  a type of affirmation


It’s a subconscious affirmation that Jesus (IE: spirit of decency and good and love and so on) doesn’t have the power to live within human beings 

In reality, when all said and done, this is the affirmation that Christendom has been coercing us people to believe 

The affirmation that human beings are inherently, fallen, evil, bad

Christians have been accepting this belief subconsciously

Next thing we’ll then also observe how even the Christian congregation is failing to be able to act moral . Failing to be able to act decent or kindly or nice

Why so?

Because this is also the affirmation of what they have also been coerced into accepting

So how the hell would we then have any good reason to expect they might then act any different than what they do ?

There is no good reason they would

For in fact, they are merely carrying out the idea they learned subconsciously through traditional religious meditation affirmation 

The benefit of this ,was that greedy people could then still aspire to gain power and wealth 

Without needing to worry that any person might be decent enough to feel angst in regard to how terribly wrong the situation is

Religion has been hijacked for evil purposes

The effect it has had on people ,is somewhat similar to like what the effect that a wasp will have, on the minds of spiders of which are collected so as to store away to feed the wasps offspring . The being will remain alive, but meanwhile the mind is comatose 

The thing is

The power of these affirmation can work both ways 


They can. They do . There is no real good reason why religious human beings couldn’t decide to choose to change their tune  (tune of the affirmation they help to “put out” there)

They could change it

Let the affirmation become that human needed be fallen beings, but are in fact inherently good beings, of what are good and decent and kind and caring

That way perhaps us human might also then have a far better chance of living up to the role model of what we might like to use as our measure of life

Christians who watch the video above ,might perhaps be inclined to feel worried/fearful . But if they were to stop and think about why they might have those feeling . They’ll need to admit that its mostly based on tradition .  Will mainly be based on biases they learned ,through religious indoctrination of company they shared

I dare any Christian to argue how im wrong in saying that

Rather than feel fearful or worried (which is connected to fears of a evil type God belief. One that could be said to mirror the attitude of tyrant dictator human beings)

Forget about the fear. Put your fears aside and understand that such fears are not based on sound sense . But on deceitful aspect of indoctrination 

God is love

Correct?. And if not so ,then why would any decent person ever be keen on worshiping this God anyway

Love castes out fear

Note: without doubt there will be people who will totally hate the type message like what Global Witness is discussing . Specially the religious leaders of high status . Mainly because, they’ll be aware that the message is heading within a direction of what will seem far too liberating . Its too hard for would be guru to be able to claim demand position of  any form of high status , from among congregations of people who are HONESTLY LIBERATED

The flow on effect of this kind of carry-on, could perhaps even mean that rosy bead economy might be diminished?. Who know what else other traditional ritual might also soon become things of the past too.

Liberation is certainly not so good for BUSINESS

Evidently Jesus had previously also struggled against a similar situation ?. There were religious leaders within those times too, whom enjoyed to occupy position of high status that might even involved sales of animals being sold to congregation members, for their use in their ritual acts of sacrifice to God

This situation can mainly only continue to occur while humans agree to run with it, and allow it

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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