An ex eb comments , quote :
This is all new to me Jill, but I would not be involved in fighting other Christians, genuine or otherwise. I believe to follow in the steps of Jesus, is to love our enemies, and not revile back again. This is my personal conviction.
end quote (my bold)
This comment seem to use bad reasoning .
Back in Jesus day , perhaps the pious believer back then, might have declared to Jesus
This is all new to me , but I would not be involved in fighting other
ChristiansJews, genuine or otherwise. I believe to follow in the steps of Jesus, is to love our enemies, and not revile back again. This is my personal conviction.
Jesus might have answered. That’s your way (of sidestepping the problem). Not my way
Seems to me.Its more or less concluding , that if a person were to choose to take absolutely no action against something. This is then somehow also counted as being a absolutely complete non-action (by this person )
Back in biblical times of situation of John 2:13-22. Perhaps there were many believers, even then, who might have concluded themselves to be “not at all involved”, so long as they were to simply not partake of any of the same action themselves.
Jesus saw things differently. Jesus empathy for others, meant that no-way could Jesus simply pass on by, and decide to turn a blind eye ,and to do nothing
We could put it this way
- I see someone murdered
- I then choose to not do or say absolutely nothing, myself, about the murder, of what i had saw had happened
- The whole situation would then still have absolutely nothing to do with me
As if that would stand to reason?
Back in Jesus day, the situation might have run something similar to this
- Jesus saw how the money changers were in fact active in ripping certain people off, big time
- Jesus would have chosen to not say or do nothing about the rip-off faith abuse, of what Jesus couldn’t help but notice
- The act of rip off faith abuses. Would have absolutely no connection, with Jesus
Obviously Jesus could easily see how this was bad reasoning
Mainly because a person would need to be foolish (to believe it’s so)
Jesus took action. Even when there were situation what didn’t necessity involve action of himself
Because to choose not to act . Is still a way of acting (it’s still an-action)
Whenever people choose to turn a blind eye to the action of other people. Holistically they are then also still helping to play their own part in situation of what develops
If i choose to turn a blind eye to murder
My act that i take (by choosing to turn a blind eye), is the act i’ll still choose to take, when i’ll decide to “keep out of it”
Keeping out of it= acting
I cannot, by that time, honestly claim, that i wasnt ever involved personally to any degree, at all
Can I ?
Because the truth is, I am still involved. As ive become involved, myself, within the way of what i chose to turn a blind eye ,to what i had saw had happened .
There is no way of me escaping this reality
Jesus had also understood this
This would help to explain reason why Jesus had in fact PURPOSELY taken it upon himself, to try and help put a stop to faith abuses (John2: 13-22)
Christian are often feeling sorry for us atheist. As if ,to be known as being an atheist, might necessarily also need to be the very worst position what a person could ever admit to?
Personally id far rather claim to be a atheist. Than i’d care to claim to be following Jesus, when perhaps chances are, i might really have been following the antics of the anti-Christ
At least, im not bothered to be claiming, to be what im not?
When Jesus was alive. With little doubt there would have been stupid pious Jews around ,who’d have also figured it to be quite ok to turn a blind eye, and do nothing
Obviously Jesus didn’t agree with that style?
Perhaps Jesus was well aware. That for a person to choose to turn a blind eye, and to do nothing
Was still for that same person to choose to act immorally
Not acting . Is still an action
Isn’t it ?
For instance, when the Catholic hierarchy had chosen to turn a blind eye to sex abuses. At that very moment, all those Catholic people HAD ALSO BECOME INVOLVED PERSONALLY, and as such had STILL PLAYED THEIR OWN PART in the evil event what has developed
When Christendom, choose to turn a blind eye to the harm caused by faith abuses
All those Christian, within Christendom , have then all chosen to accept their own part in the role of helping to further entrench faith abuses (entrenching it as something to be consider as normal/ok )
Even although most of these foolish pious folk, may still remain oblivious to this
I notice how Christian are quickly inclined to feel sorry for us atheist. As if being a atheist, might somehow in fact also be the very worst type of person, anyone could hope to be named?
Should I feel more comfortable being a “so called” follower of Jesus. When in fact perhaps i might be acting far more like a follower of the anti-Christ
Should judgment day arrive. Perhaps i’d sure best hate to be counted among Christendom?
The thing is this. Even the Brethren have also chosen to adopt the same type of reasoning . They also choose to turn a blind eye, as well too, and to not get involved in providing evidence or help to see justice done, in regard of many faith abuses
Those Brethren folk also figure , that they have nothing to fear,themselves , unless they were personally involved closely with harm what has been allowed to happen
This reasoning is bad reasoning?
Those people have still all allowed themselves to become party to evil
Even if it might only be by way of their very own ACT , of CHOOSING to do and say nothing
Should judgement day arrive. The very last person i’d ever want to be, would be to be one of those pious SILENT Christian . The ones ,who’s action of silence, have constantly helped to aid evil
These people, will be the people in for the biggest roasting of all ?
How funny will that be ?
All the ones who feel good about standing by, in silence, while the harm has been allowed to continue . Will be the ones who’ll will have helped to provide the “climate” for EVIL TO PREVAIL
They’ll be the ones who’ll be trying to trade-off their act of charity, against their silent lack of concern ?
Considering the amount of faith abuse, that PIOUS believers have willingly allowed to happen, in the name of God . And so on
It also, feels safe, to be someone who’s being counted among the atheist
This form of bad reasoning like what i discussed above, has become very prevalent, and widespread within Christendom. There are millions of Christian who’ll by now be figuring they are free from blame, for regard of faith abuses of what have been allowed to occur within other faith groups. Who’ll perhaps be in for the biggest surprise of their lives
The main reason why Christendom, has BEEN ABLE to have gotten itself into the LEVEL OF DISGRACE , like what it has done .
As in like with the utterly disgraceful EVIL manner in which sex abuses and so on have been left to remain unattended to.
All comes back to the stupid reasoning of Christians
The way in which Christian still refuse to accept any responsibly, themselves, unless they are someone who’s closely-involved .
I’ll happily hazard to guess
You wouldn’t see Jesus remain silent. While the Catholic church, or JW church, or Exclusive Brethren, or any Christian church were constantly observed to be stalling and refusing to attend to faith abuses
Like what most Christians within Christendom , will all more than happily agree to do
Because Jesus was a responsible person. Decent enough to care to still accept his own part, in a holistic sense
There was no need for
the Catholic Church, or the JWs, or any Brethren group to ever have need to fall down to the level of DISGRACE , of like what has been actually ALLOWED TO happen
There was no need ,that Christendom would ever need to inherited the level of DISGUIST and DISGRACE, to level of like what Christendom has allowed itself to find as being “quite-acceptable”
If only there would have been, far more within Christendom whom might had of cared to accept and retain responsibility