This is the kind of claim like what people use. They adopt this kind of argument,so that they can then invent a way to create “movable” goal posts. So as to circumnavigate facing up to the issue they are faced with
I figure, that maybe people may like to adopt this angle of argument perhaps because it also offer people a EASY way to absolve themselves of ” any connection “, or “part responsibility”
Comment’s similar to this comment , made by an ex eb and what’s directed toward Exclusive Brethren.
Paul Flowerdew Thank you, Paul. I don’t ever want to witness ever again, the trauma and distress caused to my children by responsible members in the Coventry Plymouth Brethren Christian Church. I would categorically say that certain persons who attend that church are not, never have been, and never will be, what is regarded as ‘Christian‘.
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I’d say that this angle of argument will be used by all types of human. Both believer and non believer alike . Why? . Well partly because it makes life easier. It offers human an escape route so they can feel like they have a way to separate themselves. To completely free themselves, from “others” of whom it feel too-uncomfortable to ever “admit” to having any “degree” of connection with
Once people do that. They then can act as if the “unsocial habit” , of what they see someone happens to display symptoms of, is got absolutely no-connection at all to themselves
For instance. The person who goes an murders someone. Is simply someone who’s just unhuman . As no “real human” would ever be likely to murder anyone
This then mean that the person who disown any connection to person who’s murdered someone. Can then also freely feel as if they can release themselves of responsibility in regard of delving further into exploring reason why there are some who’ll more likely to commit murder, and some who’ll be less likely to
The easier road ,that these people choose to take, is by way of simply declaring the murderer to be unhuman
Not a “real true” human
That person then doesn’t need to wonder or concern themselves with, more deeper question of life, for instance like question of how many murderers, are produced within poverty , when compared to how many are produced out-side of poverty
Those are important factors of life
However, human far rather not need to address the depth of these kind of question.
Far easier . To “create” the simple separation ,so as to declare that murderers, are simply unhuman people
Far easier way isn’t it ?
This is easier , than it would be for the person to need to consider the situation more holistically .In full depth. To need to expend some of their own energy while pondering over finer details including details of the full effect of poverty (on lives of unluckier people). Or to need to consider and factor in aspect of family dysfunction and so on, dysfunction of what certain families will also unluckily happen to have way more of, than what some of the other luckier families ever will do
Human far prefer to not ever need to FULLY address the issue of these inequality
Human far rather to dismiss the importance of these factor of life
Therefore the no true Scotsman fallacy, is a great tool/weapon for human to feel as if they can simply completely free themselves, of any connection with the problem at hand
This video below seems to do a fairly decent job (i feel)of trying to explain the fallacy of the “no true Christian” bullshit line of like what Christian whom are looking for an easy escape route way out,will be quick to buy into
This next video below, perhaps is one created by a Christian who seems to be arguing from another angle. Take good note, also, of how this person has purposely not allowed the audience to have any of their own ability, to comment or air any their own views .
This question then then comes to my mind. Is this. The question in regard of whether that “act” could be classed as a act of what a “real true Christian ™ ” might be expected to be acting like (far prefer to live within an echo chamber) . Or not?
Is this act, an act of what’s considered to be like an act of a real Christian ™ , should be?
See how clearly this person is intent on creating a “echo chamber” ? (notice how they refuse to allow others to comment)
See the similarity here too? (IE: yet another echo chamber) https://www.youtube.com/user/plymouthbcc/videos
All those Plymouth brethren you tube video are being run like echo chambers ?
Take good note of how they don’t allow, outsiders to ever comment, either. The Brethren sure as hell do seem right into running themselves an echo chamber AS WELL
1.I would tend to suggest, that perhaps this is become a fairly common habit among Christians. (even among agnostics as well too, who’ll have been hanging out lots, in company with Christians too. Its as if, they cannot help themselves from doing it. Like as if its a habit of what they have become well accustomed, to accepting, as being acceptable)
2. But meanwhile, there will be some people (more often Christians) who’d claim , that “no true Christian” would ever be observed, to ever be acting like that way
Why would the Christian lay that claim ?
Perhaps because they would rather to be able to do so. As its a EASY way, in which to absolve themselves of any connection. An EASY way in which to free themselves of responsibility and/or shame
Perhaps they can then even also sleep easier themselves at night ?
Who cares that much of Christendom is been run like a echo chamber . None of the “real true Christians” responsibility at all (to any degree)is it?
After all “no real true” Christian would ever be caught running an echo chamber. Right ?
You can bet your money that those “real Christian” will all find it real easy to believe ?.
Sounds like “sweet music” to their ear
Real “true” Christian are like white lambs . Real “true” Christian are pure
We might ask ourselves, how the hell did it happen, that its ended up that way, that a fair majority of Christian groups, are being run rather much like echo chambers
Because its easiest. Christians preferred answer will be = they were not true real Christians . Never were
That way the Christian then wont need to ask themselves if perhaps this trait might have been a common phenomena among Christian generally
They won’t like to consider that ?
Far easier to pull the “no true Christian” card out of the hat
Isn’t it ?
Even suit the Christian ego just perfectly too
Dread the thought that “real true” Christian might need to step down off of their high horse
To consider if perhaps the bad habits what are BLATANTLY displayed by certain Christian in particular, might even in fact have roots of what run way deeper than what “real true” Christian would ever be too keen on admitting
So much easier to just white wash the thought, play the “no real true” Christian bullshit card that QUICKLY serve to beef up proud Christians ego
Little wonder then. That in this year 2019. Christendom is now GENERALLY looking like a real rotten egg
They don’t ever care to accept the responsibility. Constantly seem far more focussed on looking for ways to SHIFT THE GOAL POST, so as to pass the buck
Once they have succeeded in doing that
What will they do ?
They’ll proceed to pretend as if its only certain so called “other unreal” Christian ,whom are at fault
This circle of irresponsibility. Is been occurring for generation after generation after generation
Meanwhile there are WELL MEANING Christians who remain shocked within their own Christian ego. Lost for understanding to figure out how the hell this sad situation might have ever been able to develop
Few will ever bother to consider if perhaps it might be the real Christian as well too whom might have helped to play a small part in the developing sad mess
To need to do that,that wouldn’t be at all great for boosting ego ?
Far easier to pass the buck on. Pretend as if its only ever the culprits, of what are always FULLY at fault
- Its far easier to QUICKLY point fingers at the cult members, blame the cult members ENTIRELY whenever religious liberty shows itself up to actually be a lie
- Way way far harder to need to lower the Christian ego, far enough to then CARE to ask the question about how real religious liberty ever really was in the first place, if in fact THE REALITY IS that these cults are in fact actually able to be ruling over people right to believe . And are able to be ruining certain people lives in the process
The no true Christian fallacy is a handy dandy Christian ego booster ?
Besides. What does honesty ever really matter SO MUCH anyways ?. So long as the Christian ego can remain large as life (no matter what the long term cost might be)
When we are faced by the thought that there are human who’ll commit theft or commit murder, or who’d act violent
1 . The easy way out is for us to try to declare that “no real” human would ever act in that way (IE: quickly attempt to wash ourselves clean, of any level of responsibility, for our own part in society)
2. The harder road to deal with, is when we would agree to accept responsibility that there are some real human,who will do those unsavoury things . The proceeding step then being that we would then also need to go ever further and ask ourselves question,like such as to why it is happening. Which often leads us to need to consider other important aspect of life, what should be taken into account, such as inequality (facing this inequality, is hard for us all to face up to,considering how we are all also playing our own small part in this unequal situation of what we all agree to help uphold
My point is
Human will too often far rather to find a easy way out to disown our own part in any degree of responsibility, in regard of all these situation what unfold within our societies
That’s by far the easiest way