Those people are not real true Christians ™

This is the kind of claim like what people use. They adopt this kind of argument,so that they can then invent a way to create “movable” goal posts. So as to circumnavigate facing up to the issue they are faced with

I figure, that maybe people may like to adopt this angle of argument perhaps because it also offer people a EASY way to absolve themselves of ” any connection “,  or “part responsibility”


Comment’s similar to this comment , made by an ex eb and what’s directed toward Exclusive Brethren.

Quote :

Paul Flowerdew Thank you, Paul. I don’t ever want to witness ever again, the trauma and distress caused to my children by responsible members in the Coventry Plymouth Brethren Christian Church. I would categorically say that certain persons who attend that church are not, never have been, and never will be, what is regarded as ‘Christian‘.

end quote (my bold)

I’d say that this angle of argument will be used by all types of human. Both believer and non believer alike . Why? . Well partly because it makes life easier. It offers human an escape route so they can feel like they have a way to separate themselves. To completely free themselves, from “others” of whom it feel too-uncomfortable to ever “admit” to having any “degree” of connection with

Once people do that. They then can act as if the “unsocial habit” , of what they see someone happens to display symptoms of, is got absolutely no-connection at all to themselves

For instance. The person who goes an murders someone. Is simply someone who’s just unhuman . As no “real human” would ever be likely to murder anyone

This then mean that the person who disown any connection to person who’s murdered someone. Can then also freely feel as if they can release themselves of responsibility in regard of delving further into exploring reason why there are some who’ll more likely to commit murder, and some who’ll be less likely to

The easier road ,that these people choose to take, is by way of simply declaring the murderer to be unhuman

Not a “real true” human

That person then doesn’t need to wonder  or concern themselves with, more deeper question of life, for instance like question of how many murderers, are produced within poverty , when compared to how many are produced out-side of poverty

Those are important factors of life

However, human far rather not need to address the depth of these kind of question.

Would they?

Far easier . To “create” the simple separation ,so as to declare that murderers, are simply unhuman people

Far easier way isn’t it ?

This is easier , than it would be for the person to need to consider the situation more holistically .In full depth. To need to expend some of their own energy while pondering over finer details including details of the full effect of poverty (on lives of unluckier people). Or to need to consider and factor in aspect of family dysfunction and so on, dysfunction of what certain families will also unluckily happen to have way more of, than what some of the other luckier families ever will do

Human far prefer to not ever need to FULLY address the issue of these inequality

Human far rather to dismiss the importance of these factor of life

Correct ?

Therefore the no true Scotsman fallacy, is a great tool/weapon for human to feel as if they can simply completely free themselves, of any connection with the problem at hand


This video below seems to do a fairly decent job (i feel)of trying to explain the fallacy of the “no true Christian” bullshit line of like what Christian whom are looking for an easy escape route way out,will be quick to buy into

This next video below, perhaps is one created by a Christian who seems to be arguing from another angle.  Take good note, also, of how this person has purposely not allowed the audience to have any of their own ability, to comment or air any their own views .

This question then then comes to my mind. Is this. The question in regard of whether that “act” could be classed as a act of what a “real true Christian ™ ” might be expected to be acting like (far prefer to live within an echo chamber) . Or not?

Is this act, an act of what’s considered to be like an act of a real Christian   , should be?

See how clearly this person is intent on creating a “echo chamber” ? (notice how they refuse to allow others to comment)

See the similarity here too?  (IE: yet another echo chamber)

All those Plymouth brethren you tube video are being run like echo chambers ?

Take good note of how they don’t allow, outsiders to ever comment, either. The Brethren sure as hell do seem right into running themselves an echo chamber AS WELL

1.I would tend to suggest, that perhaps this is become a fairly common habit among Christians. (even among agnostics as well too, who’ll have been hanging out lots, in company with Christians too. Its as if, they cannot help themselves from doing it. Like as if its a habit of what they have become well accustomed, to accepting, as being acceptable)

2. But meanwhile, there will be some people (more often Christians) who’d claim , that  “no true Christian” would ever be observed, to ever be acting like that way

Why would the Christian lay that claim ?

Perhaps because they would rather to be able to do so. As its a EASY  way, in which to absolve themselves of any connection. An EASY way in which to free themselves of responsibility and/or shame 

Perhaps they can then even also sleep easier themselves at night ?

Who cares that much of Christendom is been run like a echo chamber . None of the “real true Christians” responsibility at all  (to any degree)is it?

After all “no real true” Christian would ever be caught running an echo chamber. Right ?

You can bet your money that those “real Christian” will all find it real easy to believe ?.

Sounds like “sweet music” to their ear

Real “true” Christian are like white lambs . Real “true” Christian are pure

We might ask ourselves, how the hell did it happen, that its ended up that way, that a fair majority of Christian groups, are being run rather much like echo chambers

Because its easiest. Christians preferred answer will be = they were not true real Christians . Never were

That way the Christian then wont need to ask themselves if perhaps this trait might have been a common phenomena among Christian generally 

They won’t like to consider that ?

Will they

Far easier to pull the “no true Christian” card out of the hat

Isn’t it ?

Even suit the Christian ego just perfectly too

Dread the thought that “real true” Christian might need to step down off of their high horse

To consider if perhaps the bad habits what are BLATANTLY displayed by certain Christian in particular, might even in fact have roots of what run way deeper than what “real true” Christian would ever be too keen on admitting

So much easier to just white wash the thought, play the “no real true” Christian bullshit card that QUICKLY serve to beef up proud Christians ego

Little wonder then. That in this year 2019. Christendom is now GENERALLY looking like a real rotten egg

They don’t ever care to accept the responsibility. Constantly seem far more focussed on looking for ways to SHIFT THE GOAL POST,  so as to pass the buck

Once they have succeeded in doing that

What will they do ?

They’ll proceed to pretend as if its only certain so called “other unreal” Christian ,whom are at fault

This circle of irresponsibility. Is been occurring for generation after generation after generation

Meanwhile there are WELL MEANING  Christians who remain shocked within their own Christian ego. Lost for understanding to figure out how the hell this sad situation might have ever been able to develop

Few will ever bother to consider if perhaps it might be the real Christian as well too whom might have helped to play a small part in the developing sad mess

Hell no

To need to do that,that wouldn’t be at all great for  boosting ego ?

Far easier to pass the buck on. Pretend as if its only ever the culprits, of what are always FULLY at fault

  1. Its far easier to QUICKLY point fingers at the cult members, blame the cult members ENTIRELY whenever religious liberty shows itself up to actually be a lie
  2.  Way way far harder to need to lower the Christian ego, far enough to then CARE to ask the question about how real religious liberty ever really was in the first place, if in fact THE REALITY IS that these cults are in fact actually able to be ruling over people right to believe . And are able to be ruining certain people lives in the process

The no true Christian fallacy is a handy dandy Christian ego booster ?

Besides. What does honesty ever really matter SO MUCH anyways ?. So long as the Christian ego can remain large as life (no matter what the long term cost might be)

When we are faced by the thought that there are human who’ll commit theft or commit murder, or who’d act violent

1 . The easy way out is for us to try to declare that “no real” human would ever act in that way (IE: quickly attempt to wash ourselves clean, of any level of responsibility, for our own part in society)

2. The harder road to deal with, is when we would agree to accept responsibility that there are some real human,who will do those unsavoury things . The proceeding step then being that we would then also need to go ever further and ask ourselves question,like such as to why it is happening. Which often leads us to need to consider other important aspect of life, what should be taken into account, such as inequality (facing this inequality, is hard for us all to face up to,considering how we are all also playing our own small part in this unequal situation of what we all agree to help uphold


My point is

Human will too often  far rather to find a easy way out to disown our own part in any degree of responsibility, in regard of all these situation what unfold within our societies

That’s by far the easiest way










About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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