If I am wrong I have nothing to lose

Interesting conversation happening on facebook, between some ex ebs



Miriam Field-Davidson Something that everyone should understand about the Satanic Temple is that they don’t really worship Satan. They don’t even believe in Satan. It is an agnostic society that believes in rational thinking. The adoption of the name Satan is just a reference to being a rebel.
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  • Anthony Worme Miriam Field-Davidson Are you a member?
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  • Miriam Field-Davidson No 🙂 I do know someone who is.
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  • Anthony Worme Miriam Field-Davidson Well, all I can tell you is that there real satanic “churches” who do worship satan and preform all sorts of demonic rituals. Not sure what this group/s call themselves.
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  • Miriam Field-Davidson I don’t believe in Satan so I don’t see this as a real problem.
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  • Anthony Worme Miriam Field-Davidson Ahh, there is the problem! Maybe you don’t believe in hell either. Nonetheless, that does not make either unreal.
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  • Miriam Field-Davidson Nor does your belief make either real, to be fair 🙂
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  • Anthony Worme Miriam Field-Davidson If I am wrong I have nothing to lose, but if I am right, you have everything to lose. I prefer my odds.
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  • Miriam Field-Davidson That’s fine. I am simply stating facts.
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  • Anthony Worme Miriam Field-Davidson Well, apart from Satan and hell, I trust you believe in God and His Son Jesus.
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  • Miriam Field-Davidson I really didn’t mean for this to get nasty. I just find assumptions irritating.
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  • Anthony Worme Miriam Field-Davidson No problem. To me God is not an assumption, neither is Satan or hell, so I will leave it at that. Blessings to you.
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  • Miriam Field-Davidson I wish the best for you, too.



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First of all , lets look at this particular comment

If I am wrong I have nothing to lose


The person making this comment, has miscalculated an possibly has overlooked elements of a happier life on earth, of what they may have missed and lost out on already?

They ALREADY lost contact, and proper natural enjoyment OF LIFE with members of their own family, a number of whom will perhaps have likely remained “living in-separation” within the confines of the exclusive brethren cult

Even the act of separation, incurs a cost unto usual natural family lifestyle

Meaning that part of the cost of Christians faith in Christianity, has been paid for, by themselves, “already” via very COST of their own experiences of separation ,shunning and excommunication and so forth

This is still

a fairly huge cost for people to have had to pay

So.How could they have overlooked this ?

They (IE: believers generally) seem to be able to overlook it all so easily ?

It’s all part and partial of the collateral cost of human faith in eternity isn’t it.And so its also already been paid for, as well to, “in full”

And then so if in fact there be no eternity. There will also not be any possibility for “any refunds” either 


Therefore.In effect. There are millions of people, who have ALREADY paid for the cost of a whole load of peoples belief in their cultural idea of “an eternity”, and all those people have already done so even if in fact this so called eternity, is in fact only ever a pipe dream, and something of what didn’t actually even ever exist at all either

Whether it exist of not. Either way ,there have still already been a humongous huge amount of cost of what has “already” been pre-paid-for, pre-paid for by way of the human experiences of their own suffering of what goes-on through-faith experiences

And yet most of these theist will also be “allowing themselves” to COMPLETELY overlook most all of it?. Whitewash it from their mind, and will act as if it doesn’t even “factor-in” or even matter one bit

Yep that’s right

Even the cost of lives of those people burned at the stake too , they even quite happily calmly overlook all of that cost/loss, as well too (doing so with hardly no worries at all. Little feeling of emotional expression. Similar way to what eb will also have few worries at all with themselves  too, with their own way of easily overlooking all the amount of hurt and harm of what aspect of their own particular flavoured faith, will have constantly helped cause unto others. Christianity doesn’t tend to even care to bother to factor in any amount of collateral harm caused unto others along the way often. Does it?. Generally they’ll be inclined to just quietly white wash over it, and forget it all mostly).

The Pascal’s wager thing is been overrated. Like i doubt that Pascal’s wager will have “bothered” to take into account the cost that theist beliefs have already caused on state of our worlds environment. Faithful people have certainly lived out their lives as if they had really believed that their God’s had created our world, and so therefore could also always come and “recreate another world” (for us) again and again, anytime they would want to as well too

I doubt Blaise Pascal would have even bothered to think to take into account any harmful effect that theist belief may have posed in regard of our environment issues  (believers have most certainly lived their lives, as if, their God can always come and re-create ANOTHER earth. In other words ,with great disregard for conservation of earth resources and environmental issues)

To try claim, that faith belief doesn’t cost anyone of us anything much , is to more or less willingly overlook the suffering that certain people had experienced when being burned at stakes. Which is fairly “disrespectful”

The wager is overrated. Perhaps it generally appeals more to highly gullible (like specially cult members for instance) people who generally don’t ever think to bother to think all too much about it? (simple believer’s of who’ll learn to believe without question)

Like, evidently there were some people among the Aztec race of people as well, who would ask for themselves to be the ones to be sacrificed . I can just imagine, that these kind of faithful people, might have also been the kind of people who would be QUICK to declare

If I am wrong I have nothing to lose

too right?

Because they never bothered to contemplate the reality much


Below is a couple of video which perhaps can  help highlight a fair number of problems with this kind of wager










About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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