Righteous revenge

Someone who claim to be an ex eb has said, quote:

John Fysh Ilona Hughes Lyons
I am not defending anything of anyone and my genuine prays are with anybody who has suffered in the manner you have described, i can only have my comments in what i have been witness to again i can not sit in judgement on any body i can only express sorrow as i do for any person who suffers wrong doing at the hands of others and i can only good faith in Gods word that he will exact righteos revenge on behalf of the who suffer for christs sake


end quote (my bold)

  1. You have been busily judging a fair number of ex eb. Why pretend that you don’t judge any people?. Your own words blatantly contradict your own action on display.
  2.  Ex eb don’t suffer for Christs sake.I feel pity for you that you’d bother to say such things. Ex eb suffer ONLY due to Brethren. Suffer for the Brethren’s inability to have honest healthy compassion and empathy

The whole world today is in rack and ruin mainly due to human greed. The environment is now suffering hugely. It’s, sadly, the children who’ll be the ones who’ll be left to suffer most of all in near future

I’m an atheist. But no way would i bother to pretend that Christ might have had anything to do with the cause of this situation.The cause of this suffering is entirely man made. Its greed-based 

The Brethren are ALL victim of bad teaching. Coupled with pride. What flows from this is lack of compassion or empathy for any of those people who they caused extreme harm to. Of which there is many

Personally i don’t feel one bit angry about what ive seen that you’ve had to say. I feel sense of pity that you’d even try to pretend that Christ might have had anything much to do with it.

How depleted is Brethren compassion an empathy?

  1. When i were still quite young, my memory are how i were witness, to a Brethren brother in law of mine, who was standing under a tree, while telling one of my brothers that he hadn’t quite tied the hangman’s noose properly.Implying that the noose wasn’t going to do the job. He was busily smiling and joking about the situation. This brother in laws own brother would years later, hang himself , from a tree within a Brethren church ground over in Australia. Leaving a suicide note that pointed to Brethren lack of empathy and compassion, as the base cause of his suffering. See some info of this particular suicide, for yourself here https://web.archive.org/web/20190613194410/http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=64
  2. Another brother of mine (i only have two alive), while still within the eb, was shut up. His wife and children were removed from their family home, and were taken away to all live elsewhere among Exclusive Brethren.I cant say for sure how long this separation lasted between my brother and his wife and children. However the time was substantially long enough, that this brother would lose so much weight, through his experience of LONELINESS  sadness, stress, worry and anxiety and so on. That when i saw him face to face,while i were an ex eb who were down at the local wharf that day while i were down there fishing with a non eb worldly friend of mine, i didn’t even recognize this brother of mine anymore, at first. Not until moment that he spoke, when i then automatically recognized his voice right away. The Brethren didn’t bother to care to accept this brother of our’s back among their rank and file again, not until after my brothers own doctor,had purposely gone and been to see Brethren himself on part of my brothers health and well being, so as to warn them Brethren,that this brother was not that far off  actually staving to death, due to suffering so deeply, while living all alone, for so long. By the time he were taken back into fellowship with the Brethren, his relationship with his own wife and children has suffered so badly also too, that even now it still remains irreparable to this very day today (this situation can be substantiated via doctors record. Plus by two witness, ie: myself and my friend with whom i were fishing with down at the wharf with,as mentioned above). Fast forward to many years later, within time of the review what had been instituted by Bruce hales  ‘Man of God’ in or around year 2003. See some info for yourselves here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Brethren_Christian_Church . There was manipulation happening behin the scene where the same brother in law ive spoken about in the first experience  ive discussed earlier above, in which the brother in laws own brother had ended up hanging himself with a Brethren meeting room grounds,from a tree. Was once again involved in helping to manipulate the goings on with what would occur within the review. I was told, by the brother in my second experience ive detailed above, that evidently Bruce Hales and this brother in law of our were keeping in contact by phone. Discussing how things were going with our review experience. Unbeknownst to me, there was a secret push happening behind the scene, to try and have me to agree to rejoin the Brethren. And when i had traveled up to Auckland, from Gisborne where my brothers whole family lived (and where his wife and children mostly still live today, too, as far as i’m aware) , this brother of mine was told to not phone me while i were up there in Auckland staying with the brother in law and our sister at their house. I can only guess that perhaps this was due to the hope that by singling me out in this manner, it might then be easier to manipulate me into agreeing to return unto the Brethren?. This affected my brother mind. As we were once very very close as brothers. He felt left out i guess?.He felt so bad about all of the manipulative goings on, that while i were away up in Auckland , he decided he’s finally had enough, and tried to commit suicide himself too, by swallowing his bottle of sleeping pill’s. Thankfully he survived. I felt pretty upset by all this, as you might imagine?.I were already dealing with PTSD of which were about to become  worse. It broke my heart, to think how i had simply been gullible enough to believe the Brethren were honestly truly sorry, and how i’d been prepared to freely forgive the Brethren for all that i’d already experience before in times past before then.Because of how i still love them all. To cut a long story short. I went back to Gisborne and did my very best to try to reunite my brothers family. But alas, it quickly became obvious that this was to much for me to do .Sadly

The two situation above, are only two of my own experiences of Brethren callous heartlessness and lack of compassion and empathy. I have vivid memories of a number more  situation that still haunt me also at times too

I don’t feel angry anymore.I don’t. Its a sense of pity that i feel now these days. Great pity that there can even be such a large group of human beings , who would have been indoctrinated with misguided heartless teaching, so much so that they’ll even now no longer even know anything much about the joy of empathy and compassion for their fellow human beings

That’s so sad. Specially sad for the children who remain captive among them. The children that’ll perhaps never get to learn much, themselves, about the truth of just how kind and caring and full of compassion and empathy so many worldly people really are ?

This, i feel, is the greatest injustice of all. Many of those children are stuck between a rock and a hard place


Imagine the sort of pain and suffering,that quite possibly awaits any children who’ll try to escape. Brethren will pretend to care, will do business and sometimes love bomb non eb. This has worked well, even can explain reason for why in more recent times they have acted to start up their rapid relief team.See info here https://www.rapidreliefteam.org/who-we-are/

Let me remind you. There was little rapid relief, forthcoming, for my brother of who had been separated (by Brethren action) from his own wife and children?. As ive described above.A MOST HEARTLESS situation of what even can also still be evidence via doctors records

Thank you for caring to come and discuss this situation with ex eb. I hope to see more others in future, like you, who’ll care enough to want to do likewise themselves as well too. I’ll hope you’ll be empathetic enough to be able to see past any aspect of anger, among ex eb, so as to be UNDERSTANDING ENOUGH  yourself to see the immense amount of hurt and pain and long-suffering of what actually lays behind reason for certain reactions you may experience

This, in itself, will require decent healthy amount of compassion and empathy

I’m not angry anymore. I’m thankful. Very thankful i have been lucky enough to learn the truth about so called “worldly” people, who don’t experience the same need to remain captive among the eb

I see a day coming

A day when decent compassionate caring human being will no longer be so unkind as to deem groups involved in religious tyranny, to be anything much about religious liberty

So that the children might then have their own right to learn the truth. Without need of long-suffering 

May that day come sooner rather than later

It is not anything about revenge. But about justice

About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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