ExJW Meetup Sydney Harbour

Ex cult members will naturally begin to re-assimilate themselves back into normal every day human society. Society will by then, have become, a part of “their group” to which they’ll then all feel like they “belong to”

This is human interconnection

There will always be both good and bad people “among us”

This is simply “a small part of” the human condition

Its fairly unavoidable

Cults may try to promote their misinformed idea, that suggest that human can some how “separate themselves” from fellowship with evil, by simply shutting themselves away with confine of cults

But it obviously doesn’t work ?

Does it

For instance. Consider the Brethren bogans, group (or Jehovah’s Witness group, or else whatever other religious group that you’d prefer to use, as your own subject of interest) . Have any of them really been able to separate themselves from having any fellowship among evil people

Have they?

Have they really https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/98220593/potential-witness-in-exclusive-brethren-sex-abuse-case-paid-to-remain-silent


https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2015/01/58-plymouth-brethren-churches-given-charitable-status/   (IE: uncharitable practices. That are of no public benefit . For instance, by causing family dysfunction via excommunication,which then leads to rise in numbers of mental health problems, of which public health system will then be forced to cover costs of, including cost of loss of employment stemming from citizens bad health= no public benefit)

Plus more

Doesn’t ever work

Religion does not ever provide a fail proof way for human to disassociate themselves from problem of having fellowship among people who’ll “do bad”

It simply doesn’t work

In fact religion could perhaps even serve to help make matters MUCH worse. For one thing, religion can serve to deliver higher power into the hands of bad people. “Systematically bad” people too

Nothing greater that systemic based bad/evil. No other kind of bad/evil that is any more harder to end

Systemic based problem become the very worst to remedy

As the power can help aid the “bad people” to be able to escape and evade the law


Some religious groups are just more or less little more than acting as criminal type gangs , or like mafia-bullies that found a cunning way to “shelter under the pretense” of being to do with “religious belief”

This “pretense of religion” therefore can also allow them to “fly under the radar” an so as to also then avoid facing scrutiny of concern citizen.

Which of course also help to explain reason for why they’ll like to prefer to make their own religious group, need to be “so exclusive”


And then the “highly exclusive nature” of their groups cults , can also serve the evil-nature of their cults so as to help hide inconsistency with regard to them needing to act toward truepublic benefit” and “good

Once they have managed to create their “mini-dictatorships“, within confined border of religious cults. Then this then also means that other public citizen will then have far less ability themselves to ever become aware of bad-things of what continue occurring “inside of cult” dictatorship border

General citizen (outsiders) wont even “be aware” of whats still continually occurring inside high control group?

They wont

Very similar to how general citizen, also have less ability, themselves to ever become truly aware of whats actually continually still going on within border of north Korea either

The two situation will have gained certain “close similarity”

1.North Korean must have need to refrain from daring to speak out= for fear of facing punishment and retribution

2.Cult members must also have need to refrain from daring to come clean and speak out= for fear of facing punishment and retribution

1.North Korea is different, by reason of how there is also ability for North Korea hierarchy to impose punishment, can still include option to impose death penalty

2.(something that religious groups had also once upon a time also been able to demand to apply, by way of convicting human being of crime of heresy )

It is mainly due to the progress of humanity, between the two high control group, of what has helped to “create the change ”

Sadly change has ceased stalled, and slowed down dramatically, ever since “death penalty” has stopped

And yet in both instances (IE: North Korea,Or within high control groups) the element of torture are still quite free to still remain common practice

In both instances

Any acts of daring to question rule of hierarchy authority.Or acts of daring to choose to live lifestyle outside of dictatorship rule

Can cause human suffering caused through torture of ongoing-experiences of family separation and excommunication

Completely similar situation in both instances (IE: ex north Korean,who’ll escape from north Korea and begin to “spill the beans” about harm what happens within north Korea. Will thereafter be shunned by north Korea. Will be forced to have need to then “experience excommunication” from their family who’ll have remained within north Korea

And yet, sadly due to the fact that “religion has allowed for” a way for, mini dictatorship to develop and thrive,even inside of democratic society boundary

Somewhat similar situation still able to be happening inside of “democratic” society

Democracy is therefore not acting as protection against this tyranny

This situation still allow for a similar level of “secrecy” to develop and thrive there also still as well too


How come?

Due to lingering fear. Fear within acknowledgment of the suffering and torture what is NATURALLY inescapable  , for ALL potential escapee to have NATURAL  need to face

Should they dare to question authority of hierarchy?

In both cases (North Korea + Cults) , punishment = separation and excommunication from loved member of ones own family= need for to face ongoing torture of heartbreak and lingering sadness NATURALLY involved

All to often , sadly, culminating in acts of suicides https://web.archive.org/web/20131204204302/http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=0da5bf29853dae314c62617a0e52aa6d 

How could progress of humanity stall and slow down in way like what it obviously has


The answer is simple

Due to human indifference 

Due to the explanation , that the suffering of this type of torture , is simply not something what ALL human will have need to experience

And because

Unlike a death penalty (IE: like situation of being burned at the stake upon being convicted of heresy. Or through being shot within North Korea or within other dictatorship )

This long lasting subtle form of torture that is suffered ,

1.will not leave behind any sign of blood

2 There will be no visual sign of brain injury.As brain injuries will likely be of the C-PTSD (complex post traumatic stress disorder) kind of brain injury. Comparable to similar brain injuries suffered by returned servicemen from wars, or Jews who had suvived the holocaust (including any ongoing secondary-damage being caused to brains of their children as well too)

The injuries , in the most part, are able to remain

“Out of sight and out of mind”

In other words, what the majority of human citizen will have no need to ever see, or experience, themselves

Then that’s all that they’ll figure really matters

The indifference is remaining due to human ignorance

Due to the fact that news of the suffering , will hardly ever make front page news in newspapers. Will hardly even get to make it into forefront of mainstream news of prime TV

Meanwhile, the cults totally love this kind of situation

They do

It creates a slip stream where by FUTURE OF their own ability to become powerful and to continue to gain position to rule-over their mini-dictatorships

Is been made secure 

Therefore they’d also have very little reason to need to fear “progress of humanity”

“Progress of humanity” has been inadvertently “set on hold”

Through lack of interest

Lack of interest that stems from indifference

The worst part of this “immense depth of indifference” , in regard to ongoing torturous suffering caused by cults

Its the so called real Christian . So called “true follower” of Jesus

The “other highly organized “groups of religious people

Who are also the only ones still around holding the best position to be able to become highly helpful to those excommunicated people who have been left to suffer

By “organizing to help highlight the wrong” involved

Who’d also be the organized groups of believer,

Who’d simply not even bother to care to do anything to help, do so

And so

Progress of humanity therefore remains stalled within this slipstream of this immense indifference

Why in the hell would Jesus “be keen” to return to earth

“Why would anyone of any great integrity

Ever be any any “real great” rush. To want to ever need to return unto this level of systematic embarrassment


Ask yourselves

What in the hell for ?

Why bother to be in any kind of hurry?

You’d naturally,hold off. Wait and hope that the slip stream might one day finally be broken by a “renewed awareness”

So that the indifference could then be dissolved







About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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