Brethren are not true Christians, fallacy

Ex eb Christian, will suggest that Brethren are not true Christian.Perhaps that is their own way of dealing with cognitive dissonance ?. Its a way to get around the thought of how religion is divisive .

The idea being, that if you can think of the divisive aspect of religion,as if it would only be caused by the “non true” Christian, such as the cults like the eb

Then bingo , you’ve then found a way so as to make so called “true Christianity”, seem all perfectly fine and dandy

However , the very basis of religion ,is naturally divisive in nature. Isn’t it?.Its bigotry based. And even in its mildest form. Because of reason how it basically proposes,that human are not good-enough, unless they’d include religion

The following video, is a fairly decent explanation of the no true Christian fallacy

Now note how the guy (religion for breakfast ) doesn’t mention the “Christian religion” so much in this video. I figure that this could be due to the guy knowing very well what to expect that the Christian-reaction would  be likely to be like, had he of dared to have done so

Likely to cause “complete outrage” throughout Christendom

Christian people are some of the very worst at constantly trying to create a silk purse out of a sows ear . And so it would pretty much end up like “suicide” for this guy to have dared to be “to straight up” in discussion about Christianity

There are ex eb Christian busily trying to create a silk purse out of a sows ear


  • Dan McGurgan I want to be really gentle here. Everyone in someway has been hurt and mistreated by the EB. I also need to be direct in saying this that the EB do not in anyway represent a historic biblical position on Christianity. If it were true, BDH would have taught something about the regula fidei (latin for rule of faith). The regula fidei is what we Christians use in order to know if what is being taught is true. That I can take such teachings and compare them with other ministers of the word from the past even up to Augustine’s time. I know it must be hard for many but I strongly encourage anyone to do your own research. Don’t come to these kinds of conclusions about Christianity so hastily. “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you” Matthew 7:7
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  • Eleanor Wills Hello Dan. I respect what you say but I do want to outline my position. I never did know what my EB family were on about. Leaving the EBs and finding my way in the wider world has shown me that I am not in any way a conservative thinker. As soon as I was free of the nightmare that I was born into I was liberated to see change and colour in the world and I hope to be able to move with it until my death. Religion does not do it for me.
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    • Dan McGurgan That’s my point though. That your experience with the EB shouldn’t dictate how you view Christianity. Otherwise you will never know what it is that you’re rejecting.
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    • Eleanor Wills Dan McGurgan I was inundated with christianity from birth. I never did gell with that line of thought. Do not think it was an act of rebellion. Like anyone else I longed to belong but that was not for me. I’m not rejecting christianity. My attracrion to that pathway of belief was never there. I wish you could understand
      I’m not alone. There are plenty of me’s around.
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    • Dan McGurgan I do understand. But (and there is a but) the EB has NEVER taught you anything of real Christianity with a right hermeneutic. I truthfully have a big heart for EB folk and those who have left. I know you’re not the only one, In fact it wouldn’t surprise me if those who do go to church after leaving the EB are part of a minority. Please don’t see this as me “cornering you” so to speak. I’m just encouraging folk to do their own research.

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Long before the eb even existed , Christianity had already been busily causing havoc within human lives

Even well before John Nelson Darby were even a twinkle in his parents eye, Christianity had already long been causing division,hurt and even death among human beings lives

That’s what religion does. Naturally so.

Why so?

Well because of how religion , by nature, brings in the suggestion , that human beings , would need to be considered as lessor human being , if they’d be found without a religious belief

That right there is a form bigotry

There’s no way of escaping it is there?

Religion is based on the idea that human are not good enough, unless they’d include a religion. Or why else would human bother to persist in pushing it?

There was a missionary named Daniel Everett , who had come up against this situation . When he had approached the Pirahã culture,with his own flavor of Christian religious bigotry

Check his story out in the following video named

Wisdom from Strangers | Daniel Everett | TEDxPenn

Christianity is designed to remove the fear of death. Teaches a way for salvation ,rada rada rada

So take note, that the Pirahã culture,already were able to die without fear of death. So therefore religion is obviously not necessary , is it

Only after religion has introduced a phobia, “too often” into the mind of young children, will fear of death and damnation arise, and then become a reality of what may then begin to haunt the human mind

The idea of “true Christianity” , remain subjective to who is deciding. Even with regard to nature of whats recorded within bible scripture. Even at that stage, what may constitute “true Christian” is forced to need to rely on conjecture

So who in the hell can actually ever be able to pin down exactly what is and what isn’t “true Christianity” ?

Some Christian might then try to say , well the basis of “true Christianity” is all about loving one and other

So what?

Big deal . Like as if any sane person would be interested in trying to suggest that the Pirahã culture , didn’t know to “love one and other”

Who in the hell would do that

You’d need to be a bigot?

And yes, that is the base of what religion brings in to human culture


I guarantee , if any other ex eb were to ask the ex eb  named Dan McGurgan to pin point exactly what it is, to be a “true Christian”

Then this guy Dan McGurgan wouldn’t stand a chance of pin pointing what a true Christian is exactly (100%)

Not a chance

This man would still be lost. And be busily fumbling his way around in the dark. Still be falling back on conjecture, and a whole lot of guess work.

Who does this guy think he is anyway?

After all, there have been a long list of many a smart cookie theologian , who had all also figured themselves to be a special somebody who’s in “the know” about just what it take to be a “true Christian”.

Just like this guy Dan McGurgan now think he is now able to be like too

Human have been relying on conjecture and guess work ever since the dawn of man, in regard to religious practice. They’ve tried all sorts

Believer might better to stop and ask themselves this question. If a-God does actually exist. Does it sound feasible, that this God, if he’d in fact be a loving God, would sit back in the background, for generation after generation, for mega number of year and human generation pass. And be happily watching the children of God making all manner of mistakes, and be causing harm and unhappiness, left right and center

While God just sit back there. And watches. And does nothing to stop it

Does that really make any good sense ?

Does it ?

Come on. The only way to try and make it seem to make any good sense . Is by way of human dreaming up some unbelievable fairy tale story.Some highly complex convoluted mish mash version of events.  Which is always been so damn near impossible to ever do sensibly. That even then, it always still remain full of holes


Because the cultures have already been active in indoctrinating young children,with phobia of death. Then it follows, this fear of death then has naturally need become an inescapable phobia

And yet

There is no TRUE LOVE in the basis of this kind of indoctrination

Is there?

Even Christianity is founded on a form of child abuse. As soon as religion is introduced, then hope for “unconditional love” , is also automatically been done away with anyway

No way around it?

If salvation is truly anything much to do with unconditional love.

Then of what use is religion then? (IE: for what reason human couldn’t learn to simply live like what the Pirahã culture already have done)

Religion is usually been all about forcing conformity through fear 

Think of  this. Think of all the million upon million of human beings, who’d  already lived and then died, long before the rise of Christianity even began

Ask yourselves

Would those people be bound for hell and suffering?. How could it be moral?

If they wont be bound for hell and suffering

Then ask yourselves this following question

What real great progress was Christianity.How in hell has Christianity even been whats created human salvation then?

Christianity has merely stepped in so as to be able to grab its own, more than fare share, of the market on the faith based phobia pushing trade. So as to capitalize on the gain that are always been on offer (through religion)

Cults have always been rooted in gain of power and  wealth.Christianity is been no exception to the rule either

Christianity cult, is to often acted much like Brethren cult does now

1. on the one hand they might have been busily burning human who had been convicted for heresy

2. Meanwhile on the other hand they were also active in charity of feeding and clothing the poor. Perhaps even also helping to feed firemen

= Harm trade-off via charity act

Nothing new under the sun?

Even in those days the indifference was rife then too. Nobody cared less about who’d been burned at the stake,so long as it wasn’t needing to be anyone who’d be to-close to themselves

One other thing  that has never ever changed that much throughout time

Religious liberty has remained a fallacy. More often than not, it has always relied on luck






About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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