My Morality Challenge Fail



Paulogia easily runs rings around either of these theists arguments (the way i see it)

At the end of the day, there is absolutely nothing, that could ever be said, by anyone, of what could then help to cause these two theist to change their mind

These two theists have already “made up” their minds. They come to the conclusion, without need to reason

Its a bit similar to like “trying to use reason” to help change the minds, of Jim Jones followers

Nothing that anyone could ever say, would actually ever help to change their view. Their view , doesn’t really require the use of  “reason”

Both these theist can be noted to more or less agree with the reason used by Paulogia. They both basically do

But then they’ll both “stop short” of “fully admitting” to it

Rather than to ever care to admit to it. They’d rather to create some massive amount of “word salad” , all of what really says absolutely nothing of any great importance. They’ll run up and down rabbit warren.Around and around in circle, using sophistry, to maximum affect . And then at the end of the day, they’ll have managed to have “convinced themselves” that they might have helped to point out something “outstanding”

Will have created themselves a massive mountain,out of a small mole hill

Whats worse. Their followers ,will also act as if these guy are “totally amazing”. Its sort of completely similar to same way in which the Brethren are also inclined to “swoon over” speeches being made by Bruce Hales

Bruce Hale will sell the video @ massive $ gain. Meanwhile these two theists books,may sell like @ hot cakes= $ gain, as well too

Its not that the quality of the theist argument being put forward , are ever sound

They are not?

Are they

But the followers,would like to still retain their great unshakable faith, in “the idea” that perhaps they might be “sound” argument

Faith is all that they’ll ever really require, so as to “believe it” to be so

Nothing much more

David keeps “on going on on and on” about how he believe that Paulogia has come up against some massive problems


David hasnt managed to highlight “exactly where” that “massive problem” supposedly is

Has he?

What is it

Anyone care to help highlight, exactly what it could be


Truth is, that David and the other theist as well too, have both pretty much more or less “already agreed” with the arguments put forward by Paulogia

They both have

But the problem then is

They don’t want to actually go so far as to fully admit to it

Do they

That’s the only remaining problem?

That’s the main real “massive mountain  standing between” the ability to agree

Same things will also be seen to happen among Brethren folk, as well too. We could say ,that Brethren will have already noted, and secretly agreed, that much of the basis of their faith, has basically been real bat-shit crazy. So crazy, like with regard to previous requirement for separate sewer pipe (least evil of non brethren feces might have mixed in with Brethren feces, and provided a pathway for devil to get-in= bat-shit craziness)  . Or stupidity of banning the use of computer equipment, and cell phones ,or fax , and so on and so on

Plus,Brethren,by now, will also already be fully aware of just how much damage and harm, unto certain people lives, that their cult group will have caused, as well too

They’ll already be “well aware” of all this, secretly


They’ll take any measure,they’ll find available, to try to deny the knowledge , inwardly + outwardly

The Brethren would still refuse to fully admit to their stupidity.Refuse to fully admit to level of EXTREME harm their group has caused

They’ll always continue to “stop short” of ever agreeing to go so far as to full heatedly admit to it


They will

They’ll rather to dig their heels in, and to “stop short” of ever doing exactly that

They will?

They’ll rather to beat around and around the mulberry bush, manipulate and “proceed to invent” all manner of excuses, or revert to use of half truths or sophistry

And so on

That way,they’ll also then reserve and retain some level of “ego-boost” , for themselves to, by taking part in constantly doing this ,as well too

They wont BOTHER to feel bad about doing it either.They wont?. They’ll not feel as if their “conscience” is been pricked , at all either

No way?

They’ll proceed to find some-way in which to “block all those feeling” …out

Therefore, that way they also wont ever require “reason” to stop short

They wont?

Reason is conveniently been devalued

It has?

Reason is not placed in “such high-regard” anymore

Is it?

They’ll far rather to just rely on faith.In every single way that suits their game-plan. And so as such, therefore there is absolutely nothing, that anyone-else, could ever do or say, of what might then cause them to finally admit to changing their mind

Is there?

No way

To do that, would require lowing of the-ego, and plus also an “expansion” of humility

That isn’t about to “EVER” HAPPEN

Is it?

Seems to me

David Wood, is really no different.

These people are often kind of similar to being like “peas of a pod”

Another point to consider.Psychopath are not well known for having a strong conscience.Are they? Which makes me then begin to wonder, at what stage, would “a psychopath” actually ever decide to “lower the ego”, enough, so as to be able to finally admit to being wrong, anyway?. Would they ever do so?


However, evidently they are very good at reading a situation.Are said to be “master manipulators”, too evidently. Are great at pretending.Masters at making themselves look “wonderful” even when they are secretly, not-wonderful. And so on and so on

I look forward to seeing further video back and forth. It should be “interesting” to see how this debate, might play out, long term ?




About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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