And ex eb proposes that prayer would be an answer
Bethany Mulvey Roz Froud and Craig. yes. Be patient. Pray. Have a community of prayer warriors because if we pray according to God’s will, he answers at the right time. I never thought my parents would leave. Friends prayed, I did not have the faith to, although I tried to keep the commandment to honour your parents as much as I could. After five years they left.
My advice. Get legal help, protect yourself from pressure as much as possible, and keep yourself strong. When your family leave they will need your strength. My parents were completely lost, frightened and bewildered at first.
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With all due respect “to believers”, prayer, has been part of the problem. Perhaps it been the “biggest part” of the problem too. People have been constantly relying on their hope that prayer can in fact “actually work”, so as to actually help “fix things”, for generation after generation now
All around the world this is exactly what has been constantly happening. The largest number of the whole earths human population,by far, have all been made-up of human whom have had “faith in the idea” of prayer being able to cause-change
This is ended up being the worst mistake of all
Its created the perfect storm
While people have been busily on their knee’s,praying for a-God to intervene, so as to take action “on the part of” human
Meanwhile, this also means, that there then ALSO are FAR less human, within our societies, who’d then be bothered to step up to act and to take action with the-business, themselves
This is been the natural flip side of human faith in prayer
Its pretty much been bound to occur
While people are praying, and putting their faith in the idea that a-God is active in taking care of matters
What is the flip side of this faith?
The flip side is
That human will have then found a way, in which to basically forget about problems
This is presently turned into a most dangerous situation
We are now, beginning to see the very tip of the ice burg, in regard to amounting problems caused through faithful humans lack of physical attention, to GROWING PROBLEMS
Even to extent, when talking about environmental problems too
These problem, have grown, due to human disregard for need of their own action . Disregard for need of their own attention
What was the larger part of the population all doing, while the enviromental problem were growing, and getting larger and more-problematic by the year, as each generation had passed by
What were they active in doing?
They were praying to a-God. Praying that, a-God might be CAREFULLY ATTENDING to the growing problem , all of what the human being would far rather to be able to find a way to simply forget about
In other words
Payer amount to a form of mental masturbation, of what realistically only serve to allow human to “absolve themselves” of their own responsibility
By opting “to participate” in acts of prayer
Human can then absolve themselves of their own responsibility, to
- Feel anxious about problems
- have any need to take more-of their own action
- have need to feel partly responsible for these ongoing-problems,themselves (by allowing themselves to instead see it as being like as if “its the will of God” that the problem would still remain ongoing. In other words, creating themselves, a way-out.A easy way-out to relax,and let go of personal responsibility)
- have need to continue to further-contemplate the issues
- (and so on)
I can sense how this kind of talk, will/would be inclined to naturally automatically offend the believer
Naturally it would do
For one thing, this question will feel uncomfortable ,to face
Believers really don’t like to be faced with these uncomfortable questions
They don’t like the feeling. They don’t like to face the sense/feeling of “cognitive dissonance” that these kind of question might cause
No. They dont
Neither do the Exclusive Brethren member, like it, or ever feelso comfortable to have need to face any of it either
But then, i’m not here to cause things to feel gloriously comfortable for human
I’m here to try and GET 100% REAL
it’s not necessarily always a comfortable feeling, when we human would agree to try and get real about matters, is it?
Is it ever so comfortable, for Exclusive Brethren member, to be faced with GETTING REAL about the amount of suicides of what their own-group have played a huge part in causing https://web.archive.org/web/20131204204302/http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=0da5bf29853dae314c62617a0e52aa6d
Is it a-comfortable feeling for Brethren to get real about that
But then, getting real about matters, doesn’t necessarily need to feel comfortable
That would be false. Would be setting up possibility for an unrealistic sense of security to prevail
Which is exactly what things have come down to today
Even when thinking about environmental issues
Even then, human have found a way in which to be able to feel quiet comfortable, to live with an:
unrealistic sense of security
Indeed they have right?
And more often than not, the reason behind why they had found a way in which to feel comfortable with living in this way
Comes down to
The human faith that there’d be a-God who’s taking care of responsibility for worrying about these matter
On the part of human
So that human, might then be able to act irresponsibly , themselves, and yet still feel peaceful, and bypass any feeling of anxiety that the growing problem, might have otherwise been able to have caused unto the human- mind (=feeling)
Its a way (for human) to forget about important worrisome matter
Unbridled capitalism requires for this to occur too
For reason of how it will require possession of a a work force of sheeple minded human being
These human being can then “be manipulated” in ways what can help to cauterize there innate sense of anxiety
The innate sense of anxiety of what previously had in earlier times,been able to be acting as a large part of the human race survival mechanism
These days, (theory of) a-God has been set in place, so as to sever and in affect ” to destroy” the innate sense of anxiety
This has ultimately allowed that the human-mind could therefore be manipulated into “seeing” a way in which to cease feeling anxiety about the worrisome problem that were growing
Meaning they might then spend more time on ways in which to create mega capitalist wealth
Even if this mega-wealth came at the cost of our environment
“when a-God is available to do the worrying for human”
Why worry. Why bother to worry when a-God can abosolve human of their own-responsibility to have need to worry and feelanxious about growing-problems
Why not just put your faith in (theory of) a-God, sit back and relax your anxious-minds, forget about these worrisome growing-problem and most of all work your little hearts out, so as to help make mega wealth for prosperity of the capitalist system
Isnt that the best way?
Or at least the easiest way-out for you and your feelings
Wouldn’t you far rather to take the easy road,right now at this present given moment in time, so as to easily forget all about the immensely hard road of what arising ahead, for your own children to tread and then have their own need to worry and feel anxious about
Isn’t life ONLY all about you?
Why bother to worry about a future for your children?
Leave those worry’s up to a-God to worry about for you
God really loves to help promote human-adult sense of irresponsibility evidently
He uses ” religion as his vehicle ” for aid of promotion of these “ways of being”
Religion is acted-as the perfect tool to cause widespread human extreme sense of complacency
Yeah nah… it sure has
They even then felt extra morally righteous to boot
Can you imagine it?
First of all they find a philosophical way in which to allow themselves, to absolve themselves of their own responsibility, for growing problem
Then, to make matters even-worse, they also begin to see themselves, as being more morally righteous , and as being “better-than” , the non believer
There is so little sign/evidence , to help suggest that perhaps there might in fact be no such thing as a-God , in existence, who’d be taking any active role in attending to any growing problem, within our world
In all reality , we would also obviously all be forgiven for daring to think, that very-likely, there is actually no such thing , as a-God
We would be forgiven for coming to this conclusion
God would have need to be one mighty nasty piece of work
If he’d be inclined to punish human, for “coming to conclusion”, that seem backed by evidence of what’s-available to us to observe
We don’t see a whole lot of evidence
Of a-God intervening within growing problem,within our world
And perhaps because
A-God simply doesn’t actually exist
Wouldn’t that kind of conclusion, actually serve to help explain so much of the phenomena, of what we ALL can freely observe, within our world
You think about that (put aside the uncomfortable feeling, these thoughts can cause you to feel. Anxiety, has been a big part of human ability to survive,specially in times back within our distant past. Perhaps becoming even more specially-important,again, to right at this moment now. For instance, with regard to worrisome environmental issues )
It is not necessarily wrong, for human to be forced to feel anxious
Is it really ever so-wrong,that human might be forced to feel anxious-feelings, like when crossing the very busy highway?
Or when climbing up the mountain cliff side. Or when trying to flaps arms so as to try and fly like a bird
Is this anxiety wrong?
Or is is about our-survival
what about the possibility, that religion and other types of meditation
Might have been overused/misused
Within our societies (similar to like how antibiotic has also been overused / misused)
What about that thought?
Could this thought, go a long way to help explainthe reason for the crazy stupid silly problem of what is now finally becoming BLATANTLY APPARENT unto us all , in our life here on earth today, at this moment in time
For Christ sake
How stupid could man have been to have been stupid enough to place rubbish dump right beside wagter ways
How the hell could that have ever happen
In such widespread-scale
Human minds ,would have been manipulated , in ways so as to help human become dangerously complacent , and less interested in use of intuition
Far to faithful in idea-of a-God too
How else can it be explained?
These stupid ways. These environmentally disgraceful ways. Way of what the First Nation people had of been already equipped so as to be able to warned us against using
How could that occur ?
How can this phenomena be explain. Unless we would face up to the thought, that perhaps our minds, had been manipulated
Had been dumbed-down through manipulation
Through brain washing (IE:belief in a-God whats, worrying for us, and in charge of taking care of things, for us)
In this way, prayer would have in fact turned out to have ended up becoming far more like a complete curse
Because, while our people have been pontificating over the idea that there’d be a-God who’s (supposedly) always busily looking-out for us
We have dropped the ball
We have been able to have forgotten all about the growing problem
Forgotten about the valid need for use of intuition
I dont like to say this. Because, i can sense how by saying this, im pretty much attacking the believer cuddly-rug . Which will “feel” offensive , to the believers feeling
But let me ask this (of these believer)
How many time do any of you believer, who sit around relying on prayer (and so on), ever-care to spare a thought or two for feelings of us non believer
Do you ever BOTHER stop to care ? . Do you ever stop to consider how our (us non believer) feelings might be ?
Be honest in thinking about that question
Do you understand how your own way of living, are also in-affect, acting to flow-on and inturn beginto affect all the non-believers existences as well too
Do you understand how “closely interconnected”, the lives of all us human, would actually remain in this world
Do you realize how there is very little separation between the lives of us all
How often do you bother to ponder the thought of “what physical affect” your faith in regard to your conviction toward “relying on prayer”, might in-turn then have ongoing physical affect on the lives of others of us who don’t believe
Do you ever stop to really think hard about it?
While we non believer, wait around for the believers “God” to materialize , so as to be able to be of any help to anyone of us
Our lives are already being wasted-away (due to human unrelenting belief in the bible being about word-of-God).
In many ways. It is due to the-believers, unrelenting faith in existance of a-God
That in turn
Then causes the-bedliever, to decide to leave option to cause-change, up to dcecision of God, to make, if a-God should ever see reason to decide to act-upon these kind of decision
But hold on
What about this consideration
There is actually no such thing as a-God anyway (IE: in the physical sense of the word. Outside of faith-belief within the mind of human)
How could we then hope for a-God, to act, so as to help create change
How would a non-existent God .. Ever be expected to have a hope in hell , to take-action ,anyway ?
Perhaps there might be far more hope that a river rock, might suddenly decide to step-forward, to take action
At least evidence of the river rocks, is always readily available for all of us, to observe, with our own eyes
How many believer would ever stop to consider those thought ?
That what i wonder
I know that they’ll all mean well, when they’ll exhort human, to use prayer
Sure “they’ll mean well”
I don’t deny it
They generally nice kind people
However, kind nice people,”who’ll mean well”, can also exhort human, to take part in doing things ,of what could be helping to waste-time
The suffering of whats remaining stable
While we wait-around on the event of a-God to step in, so as to-act
Is already been causing immense suffering,of the kind of what might have been attended to,long before now
If only, there might also have been less human, who’d been convinced, that a-God might exist
What about that thought?
See, a huge part of the problem,with cults, is still remain to do with the large number of of-believers, who’ll all promptly write in to complain about the intended action, of any government department, who’d decided to consider making changes
Did you believer ever stop to re-consider this factor?
All very well exhorting human to rely on prayer
But there are these-consequences of what still remain potent
You people, should at least do proper justice ,of considering them thoroughly
I feel, perhaps you’d be coming to a wrong conclusion, to conclude that religion could be described as being a “benign aspect” of the human existence
If believer were to exhort other believer “to act” rather than to rely on prayer, even “half as often” as they presently usually spent their time with exhorting other-believer, to use-prayer
Chances are, that cults might have already become ,a thing of the past
How many believer would care enough to “bother”, to consider that thought
I suspect, it
might would be very extremely small numbers
Jesus didn’t waste his own time, with “exhorting” other believers , to pray in hope that money changer’s might suddenly-change their heart & mind, like magic
No . It was about taking “action”
If prayer had of had a hope in hell of “changing the situation”
Then how come Jesus, didn’t “rely on prayer”, himself too then?
Ask yourselves that question
Perhaps,its action, that is always been “the real answer” to these things then?
Anytime anyone ever goes near a church, or near to any other-believer’s
They ought to be exhorting those other-believer , to take action
Action against the continued existence of all these cults . Against the faith abuses .
Most certainly against institutionalized act of shunning
But, most usually they wont bother . Perhaps feel “to afraid” that they’d “offend” somebody
Most wouldn’t dare to question whether “prayer” would ever be enough, to cause change, fast enough
Be far to afraid to cause “offence to frail feelings” of other-believers