Is a narcissist ever remorseful?



Chances are that Brethren group, will have inherited the “narcissist trait or style”. Rather than to be people who’d actually all have the narcissist personality disorder

The trait, of narcissism, of what Brethren narcissist have contracted, will be due to the trait of the “cult style ideals” of what they’ve all remain so deeply immersed in,ever since being a Brethren member.In other words, it will more likely be directly connected with the sad state of their environment

Even so, they’ll still have a huge struggle to show remorse. Due to having grown huge ego. Even although they’ll feel ashamed, of themselves for having been all involved in a group of whats been caught out hiding sex abuses, or having caused a fairly large number of people to commit suicide, or been found out to try and cover up the evidence at the scene of a road accident where alcohol had likely played a part in causing a number of deaths

They’ll still have a real huge struggle to humble themselves enough so as to openly show remorse

Due to the loss of pride aspect , that they’d “feel” that doing-this would need to entail

Part of the problem of what serve to hold the Brethren back, stems from Brethren being unable to become humble enough to openly show remorse

And yet, they wont understand that there is a fairly high chance that they’ve also all become victim of the narcissism themselves as well too

Will they?

Brethren’s problem could perhaps be best described as being become more like a form of “collective” narcissism


The roots of this collective narcissism stem from the group being originally infiltrated by a certain leader (or perhaps even) leaders who’d very likely all been people who’d in fact had problem with an “actual narcissist personality disorder” of which for themselves might have had “more connection with their-genetics”, rather than being so much about affect of the-environment (IE:originally)

  1. Originally the Brethren movement might have been fairly normal mainstream Christian movement of what, back in those times, could have perhaps been classed as still being “somewhat benign”
  2. Then in later year, this original Brethren movement , would then be infiltrated and overcome by certain men who’d actually carried the narcissist personality disorder (connected to genetics) itself, who’d then claim the role of Brethren-leaders (made easier due in part to their grandiose nature)
  3. Due to the above, soon enough there would then also be an overall environment of ‘collective narcissism” as well too, all of what would have then developed to be “widespread” and have become common theme among Brethren members (IE: anyone connected to this-environment)


It wont be the first time ever, that this sort of thing, will have occurred ?.

Will it

Obviously not

And sadly, it can be a long road, for anyone of us, to try to re-alter our ways again, and change, once we will have “been already immersed” within this collective narcissism

That will have become, an up hill battle,by then

I feel that perhaps this problem might help explain the squabbles that can still be observed happen among ex member, for instance on forum and so on

Would it?

Anyway, this theory, is not new

“Collective’ narcissism can become fairly widespread


Anything sounding familiar ?

Quote: The follower, they can be inclined to completely forget to note “the character”

They can?

Or what

Wake up Brethren

Wake up Brethren

Been any shepherds heart in “your leaders”, is there Brethren?

Any chance that Brucie review wrecker Hales, could be noted to be someone who’d be…. Quote:

constantly campaigning to uphold his “facade”

Or not?

Check it out Brethren

I tell you, our own dad would be turning in his grave to think that the Brethren would ever have been able to “remain so completely blind” to the sad sorry state of these affair, for so long

Way back in the sixties .But for a “twist of fate”, our dad might have even been able to have gotten our whole family out of that place quickly while we were still in one piece. Without need to experience the depth of collective narcissism of like what was to become a part of our lives

These people, can design creative ways in which to try and make themselves look repentant

Kind of like what had happen within the Brethren bullshit review right?


So easy to get sucked in to their “lies” too

Isn’t it Brethren ?

So easy

But yet, really its still all about them. They’d still have no real empathy for the victim

Do they?

No remorse, either, even after they’d nearly helped to cause another suicide either

Wake up Brethren

It might feel to “be an ominous” task.


But the harm wont ever cease. Unless action is taken

Wake up Brethren

Even when Bruce Hales dad had been caste out of the Brethren. Under the charge of commercialism

Even then the state of the narcissism, within Brethren, had still continued to carry on. Because of the way how collective narcissism will have already become so deeply embedded right throughout the whole system  

Wake up Brethren

Wake up

Time to ask Bruce Hales, to talk about “how this coat” of his, might have served to hurt a whole lot of other people

Isn’t it?

Perhaps he might even like to reflect on how the harm of collective narcissism, riddled throughout the Brethren, had even at one time had an affect on members of his own family, as well too

Could even do Gareth Hales some good,as well, to think more about it

Time to consider the question, have Brethren become completely anti social, so anti social in fact they’d become psychopath

Time to read the Brethren’s heart

Isn’t it?

Anyone notice how change,within Brethren, is always dependent on, decision, made by the-leaders

Even today, Brethren can be seen to chop and change, their ways, “like the wind”

From experience, ive learned that Brethren would be the very last people you’d ever trust to deliver a sense of safety and stabilization


You need to try and “see the funny side” and laugh about it. Or otherwise it might help “bring you to tears” …. all over again

Wouldn’t it?

Brethren might be filthy rich in money

But yet have remain systematically bankrupt-poor, whenever it even come to use of simple good common sense. They lost their grip on use of good common sense measure, over the years that they’ve remained captive in cult-seclusion

Haven’t they?

Hence why i’ll now now re-name them the bogan socially backward Brethren

They now cant even be of assistance, to help provided any sense of safety and stabilization, to people their system has caused extensive harm to, by way of trauma and so on

Anyone have recollection of the review

“what a complete nightmare that ended up as”


All due to Brucies specially designed leadership quality ?


Like i said, Brethren, even when they’d be family, would be the very last people, that any person should ever dare to bother to turn-to , for to find a sense of safety and stabilization

You’d need to be damn stupid, to ever dare to try trusting them…ever again

Wouldn’t you?

Who in their right mind, would ever be stupid enough to trust the “Brethren’s word” as word of truth

I still kick myself, even now unto this very day today, for being so stupid, before, as to “trust the Brethren’s word, as truth, within their cunningly designed shambles of a review

WTF was i thinking ?

And guess what. Some of my ex Brethren sibling, had tried to warn me (during time of the review)

But hey

I were just simply so completely overjoyed with feeling of happiness. I therefore didn’t want to believe for one moment, that my reason for happiness , was likely to be built on foundation of false hope

I didn’t want to

How could “your family” ever allow themselves to become SO LOW they’d lie to you ….. About this 

A review

One what you’d been forced to wait around for, for over the past two decade +  before hand, already

What kind of people, could ever allow themselves to all have become so low, within their “moral outlook” in life, that they’d be happy enough to pull these level of psychologically hurtful dirty-tricks on anyone

Bunch of sick people

People who’d be diseased by collective narcissism


I still struggle to believe that “family” could ever allowed themselves to stoop so low in life

Still wonder sometimes if it might been a bad nightmare. Perhaps i’ll wake up and realize that it hadn’t happened

But yeah …nah

Its for real

Those bogan socially backward Brethren, would quite happily play along with that leadership

They’d follow on after their narcissistic leaders…. like a bunch of senseless sheep

Once a person heals from the feelings of anger

You then begin to feel mighty blessed to know that you’d already escaped from within that place

Hell yeah

Imagine sending people, who through a twist of fate, had ended up having Brethren family, who’d then lost their ability to know who they could trust

Back to the Brethren ….. 2 decades + … later on down the track

While still in search-of … some-people , of who’d you might find out you could regain reason to trust in

To then have the bogan socially backward Brethren

Pull one of their bullshit cunning twisted plan ..on you… once all over again

Under the pretense that its really supposed to be all honestly about “finally getting around to actually making and apology to you” … for your past bad nightmare-experiences of mistreatment among the bogan socially backward Brethren … 2 decades + … previously before in by-gone days in years earlier on


Whatever you do?

Please…. please … please just don’t ever bother to try and start up any ONEFOCUS NZ TRUST  COUNSELING SERVICES


I have big doubt that Brethren would ever be suitable for providing counseling services


New line of “wealth” prospect among business minded Brethren?

Well yes , i can certainly easily see Brethren excelling in that line of work

Yes that for real sure

It would come quite naturally?

You most certainly wouldn’t be best to attend Brethren reviews, if it would be, any feeling of depression, of what you’d still like to fully heal

That’s for sure?

They’ll be more than happy to help re-traumatize you


Wont they?

They haven’t got a clue about


2.Or true empathy

3 No longer have a conscience

5 Therefore wont see reason to show any real remorse, ever either

Like i say

Don’t bother to go near Brethren if you’d be looking to heal

During childhood, while growing up around Brethren. We certainly never learned how we could feel like we trust Brethren. Hell, in our families life, we soon learn that even our own mother, would very happily disown her own daughters, and son, and treat them as if they were already dead

That’s the first lessons we were shown… during our early childhood

I first learned about it… when aged only 4 or 5 year old

Then fast forward, many years later, to the time of the Brethren review

Would did the Brethren help to remind us, all over again

“You still cant ever trust Brethren-family to love and care about you”

That what the lesson was …. again?

But those Brethren

Those socially backward bogan Brethren… They struggle to see anything much wrong with it

Wouldn’t they?

To Brethren …ways… of life … this type of thing … seems like normal

Poor Brethren


About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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