What compass is this?


  • Ray Taylor With respect to the OP, I would not say that the EB view on homosexuality is nasty and deeply flawed, but I will say that the way they deal with it, in the cases that I am familiar with, lack compassion and understanding, and are graceless and ineffective. If they have a method of dealing with it and it has been effective, I have not been informed of it; I have not heard that testimony of salvation and deliverance.

    Liz Goldswain made reference to Romans 1, in which the writer first speaks to the thoughts (what goes on in the mind), and then finishes up with the practice (the acting out of what goes on in the mind). The one thing leads to the next, if allowed. Too many people get caught up with what other people practice, with no regard to what goes on in their mind. This lack of empathy is problematic.

    As to Jill Mytton’s comment that pedophilia being different than being gay, I also agree. Others will disagree with this though, but I believe this to be another example of the mind skewing thoughts to a greater degree. To suggest that pedophilia is evil is to say that there is a moral compass somewhere which says that attraction to the young is wrong, and perhaps that same moral compass says that attraction to the same gender is right. What compass is this?
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  • Paul Flowerdew I think the divide over homosexuality and other issues ultimately comes down to a fundamental difference in people’s view of morality. Those who look to the supernatural as a source of moral directives tend to base their view of what is right and wrong on these directives, although different religions contradict each other and even followers of the same religion disagree about the interpretation of these directives. Those who see morality as a human construct tend to base their view of what is right and wrong on reasoning and evidence, the guiding principle being that things that contribute to the welfare and prosperity of humanity are generally right, whereas things that have the opposite effect are generally wrong.

    Homosexuality doesn’t do anything against the welfare and prosperity of humanity, so I believe there’s nothing wrong with it. Suppression of homosexuality, on the other hand, does a great deal of harm. Gays are shunned, outlawed, persecuted, abused and killed. They are made to feel guilty and pressured to be something they are not, perhaps deceiving spouses, children, colleagues, perhaps resulting in broken relationships and estrangement. They are persuaded to have therapy or take medicine, to their physical and emotional detriment. And they are pressured to deny the happiness and joy of natural relationships, be it simple companionship, sexual love or parenthood.
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The compass is reason. Its never been anything other than reason. Sometimes its good reason ,sometimes its not so good

Take the scripture, quote :

Deuteronomy 21:18–21 

If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.



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It was never good reason. It was wrong from the beginning. Because, it failed to remove evil from their midst. It only served to produce more evil. An even worse evil

Very similar to whats also occurred among Brethren too. “By the very act of Brethren attempting to become pure”, they’ve then also become people who seriously lack empathy. Because they’d lacked empathy , they’d then also created the need for themselves to also need to become liars, “so as to try and help cover up evidence” of their lack of empathy. Then the pride also caused a state of collective narcissism to develop

Situation were no different among the JEW’s back in biblical times long ago either. Because of how “the reasoning” they’d used, was flawed 

However, rather than to admit to “flawed reasoning”. What do believers do?. They try and pretend that there was never anything wrong with the reasoning, but that the reasoning was “still correct”, within the context of another time



Also, it is important to remember that the Mosaic Law was for God’s covenant people, Israel, living in a theocracy. The Old Testament Law is not in force today (Romans 10:4Galatians 3:23–25Ephesians 2:15).


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Today, the Brethren are still attempting to also follow the same warped reasoning too. Because of the way how it help serve the purpose to allow believer to “side step from facing the truth” of the matter

Today the Brethren are now allowed to go on holiday, to have boats and go hunting. To freely use computer and to use cell phone. To even eat in restaurant

Today the Brethren are being allowed to do many things of what many Brethren were previously being withdrawn from, and been excommunicated for, in years earlier on before now

This is use of the very same warped philosophy

Brethren can also try to declare that those old laws were previously in place so as to serve the purpose for earlier times, too 


Believers have constantly been slippery people. People who are inclined to be willing to create themselves an “escape route”, so that they’d then have these cunning way in which to side step from need of facing up to the truth

The truth is that the-human , are inclined to also learn via their mistakes.

Often due to their use of bad flawed reasoning 

Moral compass, can also be rectified, after use of flawed reasoning  

You think about that

But, because of how the human are wanting to cling onto the idea of themselves being led by a God, with regard to “their moral”. Then the Human are therefore also forced to have need to create this facade 

They create this lie

This lie is been constantly used so as to sidestep the truth 

They also don’t mind how many human lives that they’d have need to harm all the while they continue to attempt to keep this facade intact either

They couldn’t care less about that

What matter very most to the-believer is to retain their pride 

Brethren are no different in this regard either

They’ll be happy to do anything at all,and allow anything to occur, so as to try and still achieve that goal

Wont bother to lose any of their own sleep over it, either 

Nothing new under the sun 

Same way like its always been


About ExEB

I'm a agnostic/atheist . Interested in learning more about science. I also am an "ex-member" of a group most publicly known within modern times, as the Exclusive Brethren. Whom are an off-shoot of the original Plymouth Brethren group. I'd say it likely my personality could possibly be described as quirky.You know ,as in being , unconventional , unorthodox , unusual, off-centre, strange, bizarre, weird, peculiar, odd, freakish, outlandish, offbeat, out of the ordinary, bohemian, alternative, zany I'm sure iv'e been classed as "crazy" . Many times But then, being born into a group like the exclusive brethren. Doesn't lend itself ? to tend to produce things considered as being "very normal" .Does it I escaped the Exclusive Brethren cult as a 15 year old teenager. Even since that time iv'e been trying to adjust to living life outside the cult. With much of my life being lived within the genre of "wild colonial boy" style. In the general sense of a church-rebel picking and choosing from role models who appeared within-life along the way. But as the exclusive brethren cult had traditionally maintained a general church-rule , of need to shun and totally excommunicate any ex member of their group.Treating such people as if they were dead. Thus this situation developed more to do with my need of following traditionally enforced church-rule , as apposed to it being so much about "life-choices". Certain emotional experiences, and parts of life in general, have led to me adopting a sense of low self esteem. Which is a situation i still deal with from time to time. Through my ongoing interest in science. I find i am able to gather more information to help me better understand my situation. Much about life for me, has often seemed like a massive puzzle.With many missing pieces.
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