Ray Taylor With respect to the OP, I would not say that the EB view on homosexuality is nasty and deeply flawed, but I will say that the way they deal with it, in the cases that I am familiar with, lack compassion and understanding, and are graceless and ineffective. If they have a method of dealing with it and it has been effective, I have not been informed of it; I have not heard that testimony of salvation and deliverance.
Liz Goldswain made reference to Romans 1, in which the writer first speaks to the thoughts (what goes on in the mind), and then finishes up with the practice (the acting out of what goes on in the mind). The one thing leads to the next, if allowed. Too many people get caught up with what other people practice, with no regard to what goes on in their mind. This lack of empathy is problematic.
As to Jill Mytton’s comment that pedophilia being different than being gay, I also agree. Others will disagree with this though, but I believe this to be another example of the mind skewing thoughts to a greater degree. To suggest that pedophilia is evil is to say that there is a moral compass somewhere which says that attraction to the young is wrong, and perhaps that same moral compass says that attraction to the same gender is right. What compass is this?Find support or report comment
Paul Flowerdew I think the divide over homosexuality and other issues ultimately comes down to a fundamental difference in people’s view of morality. Those who look to the supernatural as a source of moral directives tend to base their view of what is right and wrong on these directives, although different religions contradict each other and even followers of the same religion disagree about the interpretation of these directives. Those who see morality as a human construct tend to base their view of what is right and wrong on reasoning and evidence, the guiding principle being that things that contribute to the welfare and prosperity of humanity are generally right, whereas things that have the opposite effect are generally wrong.
Homosexuality doesn’t do anything against the welfare and prosperity of humanity, so I believe there’s nothing wrong with it. Suppression of homosexuality, on the other hand, does a great deal of harm. Gays are shunned, outlawed, persecuted, abused and killed. They are made to feel guilty and pressured to be something they are not, perhaps deceiving spouses, children, colleagues, perhaps resulting in broken relationships and estrangement. They are persuaded to have therapy or take medicine, to their physical and emotional detriment. And they are pressured to deny the happiness and joy of natural relationships, be it simple companionship, sexual love or parenthood.Find support or report comment
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The compass is reason. Its never been anything other than reason. Sometimes its good reason ,sometimes its not so good
Take the scripture, quote :
If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, “This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard.” Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.
It was never good reason. It was wrong from the beginning. Because, it failed to remove evil from their midst. It only served to produce more evil. An even worse evil
Very similar to whats also occurred among Brethren too. “By the very act of Brethren attempting to become pure”, they’ve then also become people who seriously lack empathy. Because they’d lacked empathy , they’d then also created the need for themselves to also need to become liars, “so as to try and help cover up evidence” of their lack of empathy. Then the pride also caused a state of collective narcissism to develop
Situation were no different among the JEW’s back in biblical times long ago either. Because of how “the reasoning” they’d used, was flawed
However, rather than to admit to “flawed reasoning”. What do believers do?. They try and pretend that there was never anything wrong with the reasoning, but that the reasoning was “still correct”, within the context of another time
Also, it is important to remember that the Mosaic Law was for God’s covenant people, Israel, living in a theocracy. The Old Testament Law is not in force today (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:23–25; Ephesians 2:15).
Today, the Brethren are still attempting to also follow the same warped reasoning too. Because of the way how it help serve the purpose to allow believer to “side step from facing the truth” of the matter
Today the Brethren are now allowed to go on holiday, to have boats and go hunting. To freely use computer and to use cell phone. To even eat in restaurant
Today the Brethren are being allowed to do many things of what many Brethren were previously being withdrawn from, and been excommunicated for, in years earlier on before now
This is use of the very same warped philosophy
Brethren can also try to declare that those old laws were previously in place so as to serve the purpose for earlier times, too
Believers have constantly been slippery people. People who are inclined to be willing to create themselves an “escape route”, so that they’d then have these cunning way in which to side step from need of facing up to the truth
The truth is that the-human , are inclined to also learn via their mistakes.
Often due to their use of
bad flawed reasoning
Moral compass, can also be rectified, after use of flawed reasoning
You think about that
But, because of how the human are wanting to cling onto the idea of themselves being led by a God, with regard to “their moral”. Then the Human are therefore also forced to have need to create this facade
They create this lie
This lie is been constantly used so as to sidestep the truth
They also don’t mind how many human lives that they’d have need to harm all the while they continue to attempt to keep this facade intact either
They couldn’t care less about that
What matter very most to the-believer is to retain their pride
Brethren are no different in this regard either
They’ll be happy to do anything at all,and allow anything to occur, so as to try and still achieve that goal
Wont bother to lose any of their own sleep over it, either
Nothing new under the sun
Same way like its always been