Power of positive thinking can be used as a really wonderful tool that is actually sometimes very extremely positive and helpful to us,. But it can also spell “grave danger” as well too, whenever welded within the wrong hands.
For instance “power of extreme positive thought processes” were also what were being used to help motivate.
1. Taliban and Al Qaeda and Kim Jung-il ,or any Gaddafi type groups.
2. Was the power used behind bombings in downtown New York world trade buildings ,to the Islamist faithfully-believing mind ,it had obviously became very clear, that they thought ”yes-indeed” for very-sure , virgins , were actually awaiting them over in eternity
3. It’s the biggest force laying behind what continues to drive many minds on within very abusive cults, like minds existing within some brethren groups for just one instance
4. It’s also power what’s behind all that what deadens the minds of very many other humans too, including many minds of those people calling them self christians. Who it seems all just tend to quietly “look-on” ,in such pasive continued silence, and would seem to just be quite happy to simply allow it all to continue ever on ,for generation after generation.
5 . Was whats also been used behind the type of thinking ,that helped lead us all into the latest set of world-wide financial depression problems (with us choosing to use the ”look on the bright side” highly speculative,(she’ll be right) type of attitude) . An attitude that were of such blind folly.
6 It were also the same type ”power” being used very long ago, by some ancient people involved in act of human sacrifices. Being the same type people who would be involved in power of positive thinking, to be extremely likely to have also suggested , that any ongoing hurt and harm anyone experienced. Were down to the human forge , tempering effect .. And thus could also be though, as just all part and parcel of the ongoing human/God type relationship happening.
Trouble is ,if being used in the wrong hands,it can also obviously be used to “power-up” , just about any all old belief at all, that some humans might have liked to think as being ”logical” .
Many years ago , people even used these acts of sacrifice as a way thought to help them appease Gods,and thus hopefully as a way to also try and gain certain types of “concessions” for themselves. It didn’t really even matter much to their faith ,whether such acts of sacrifice, had actually even helped change anything or not. No , not at all.
Because by using such theology, and by (abusing) use of this “power of positive thought” processes in this way. Anything that happened , could thus way, still always also be easily explained away . And thus also simply always be excused too
Much the same way , like this “optical · illusion” works here
It just doesn’t matter what happens at all , whether through “act” of sacrifice, there follows a feast, or famine, or even no change taking place at all is to be seen.. The answer always remains exactly the same answer anyway. God did it.
God always is supposed to have answered us with a”yes” answer ,or a ”no” answer , or maybe he even must think we need to just”wait” for a while or something
We just set it up with a biased-evidence type test ,so it cant ever be proved wrong.
But this is not any good logic. For indeed it can also be very false
By using this “illusion ” , or maybe even more correctly , by using this sort of (“delusional”) method . This very same tactic has been used, to (seem) to have proved, almost any old belief at all ,that absolutely any fruitcake-humans ever had tried to be promoting . Thus how options of such blind faith beliefs, are endless.
And by them using “power of positive thought” this way ,certain groups of people were even able to talk (whole groups) of other humans ,into continuing with faith, even in acts of human sacrifice . And at one stage even made some groups of people ,cast their own ”live babies”" into fire ,as a type of fertility ritual, that were FAITHFULLY thought to supposedly be able to help aid such faithful-people to then ”prosper” in some way .An almost rather selfish , inwardly aimed type philosophy, aimed mainly ,at gaining something extra for “the self” . No matter even what it might have needed to cost to other people . Indeed often even if it were continually causing very much extreme harm to many others.
When abusing such abusive powers of “positive thought” this way , a serial killer ,also thus way just convinces themselves . Of how they obviously feel they are really doing absolutely nothing so wrong when killing many other people.
When used in the wrong hands,such destructive power of positive thought, turns toward more extreme very grave “danger of negative thought”.
These thoughts is not aimed with purpose of offending anyone. Its aimed at promoting more thought on these issues.
Religion is used as a type of motivational philosophy . And can become a bit like the opium of the people. Motivational philosophy can be very positive ,but also becomes a hugenegative too if people ever start abusing by becoming drunk and addicted on it.
It’s a good thing to try our best to ”focus more” on positive thoughts and things for sure. But still sometimes it can be just as positive too, for us to focus on some more negative things as well. Otherwise they may become far more less-likely to even change much.
Life is indeed like a forge where some hardships we experience, can help us build our characters. Like living in a truck with our family,if we don’t have a proper home to live in.
Many different types of motivational philosophies are used , some involve God ,while some others don’t . Even yoga and martial arts use types of motivational philosophies , today they may even have some company corporate group bonding sessions too. All these people using the mind over matter type philosophies.
But one needs to read up on social sciences to really start to gain in any real sort of proper understanding, of all the sorts of problems and continuing ailments that will arise and naturally should linger onward, via huge divisions that exist within family units. Specially when caused via religion ,as evidently religion is really supposed to based on will of God, and love and understanding kindness and more.
Its one thing for philosophy to use motivational methods as a positive to try and help us overcome hardships in life. But alas its no longer such a positive thing that these philosophies might also suggest us to try and also use this same sort of philosophy to try and help us forget the ongoing pain and harm continually being caused via religious divisions existing within our societies.
Such thinking creates an equation that promotes a positive and a negative as supposedly equaling some sort of real honest plus ?. Yet we do understand how plus-1 and then minus -1 , actually only leaves us with a type progress = 0
It’s never such a wrong thing , that religious divisions should indeed need to continue to cause us such grief and extreme ongoing sadness too. Im picking maybe even Jesus might also tend to contiue to feel very grieved and sad at ongoing faith-abuses . Crikey we might even need to start wondering what we might have allowed ourselves to have become ? , if indeed we might have become more like machines that such ongoing sadness would have ceased to continue to tear away at our hearts.
If i could be without everything else that i own ,and swap it instead for a life living within a truck TOGETHER WITH FAMILY.
You can sure as hell bet your bottom dollar i surely would be one of the first to choose it . For it is not anything much about material posessions what grieves me.
It’s so important that we would remember read up more on social sciences, before we would feel we even understood enough, to start to judge ongoing reasons why so-many people are continually being effected they way they do. Through division of family and friends caused via abusive religions.
If we use any philosophies to dull feelings that might cause us to miss friends and family , surely we will have become far-more like machines , and sadly even more so than a number of social grouped animals are.
And how very extremely sad would that be ?
Sadly when some faithful folk would allow themselves to have become drunk and addicted to religious faith-opium. It can seem to have become more like we are living among some of the living dead ,than it might tend to seem like living among any real honest warm blooded beings, that would have allowed its heart to continue to speak loud and clearly.
And sadly today many humans do seem to have allowed such things to happen. And might even feel they see those that hurt because of it ,as having something lacking within ,and being those who are thought to be kind of weak ? or something .
But in this world why would we want to continue to promote hard-hearted attitudes ?. When we already know how very littered many of our streets have all seemed to have become with too-many such hard-hearted types of folk.
Motivational philosophies are really great ,so long as they remain working with whats positive. And they cannot afford to allow themselves to get addicted to forms of opium that helps turn a man into beingfar too much like a heartless machine .
For when we allow that to have happened, we will end up with these groups like the exclusive brethren around us. Just as has happened.
I’m not ashamed at all , that my heart would continue to grieve and continue to live in some sadness about this situation that still exists . And maybe more religious folk might really need to be asking ? why it is that many more religious folk dont seem to be grieving so much ? about this matter .
In my opinion . I just cant help wonder if maybe we might have even already changed these matters for the better, many generations ago !!, had we not continually puffed ourselves up and continually use motivational-methods to have hardened our hearts the way we have often tended to.
I’m a true believer in karma. You get what you give, whether it’s bad or good. :Sandra Bullock
Cant say im really so much of a great believer in things like Karma anymore, and i do have my own reasons for not really believing so much in it anymore too. However seems like its much the same type idea as that bible verse that talks about : You reap what you Sow.
I suppose it depends a whole lot as to what context this thought is being used. Like surely nobody really thinks ? some kid who ends up as a crippled , reaped that what he/she had sown . Neither does mothers and fathers who’s children sadly end up being killed in a road accident need to have done anything bad to deserve such things ,that their children would end up being hurt badly or even end up dead.
Yet on another different level it seems it’s often quite true, we may indeed tend to reap what has been sown. And sure sometimes we may tend to bring things on ourselves ,other times its more of a collective type effort being sown by many humans as a species. Like with this situation that now exists within the group known as the Brethren. Sure certain Plymouth brethren were indeed the people who “chose” to head down that track, that led them toward whom they have now become today .Abusing people through faith. But then what about everyone else in the world, who also just all stood by quietly generation after generation ? , watching and allowing it to simply just carry on happening ? . There is that quote that says : it takes two to tango right?.
We stand by all too often in silence ,almost as if thinking by our silience and lack of action ,we might some how be able to remain as those “people” who are not to be thought guilty of anything at all .
But what kind of intelligence and good logic is this ?
This person never asked me for nothing at all. This person hasn’t even made any contact at all with me . Other than clicking a button to be following my angry little blog. Not quite sure ? why they might even follow my blog either , maybe because they just had a wee bit of a real crazy mad-moment or two ? or something.
Anyway ,seem this person is another Christian . And really that’s still just fine and quite ok by me too. Sure i do admit ,im not really one to even feel that promotion of faith is really such a good idea anymore.Being honest . But i still don’t see need that faithful folk need become like any type of real enemy of mine either , and i understand how ”faith” still helps make certain people happy.
For indeed its really only all the ongoing faith abuses that i really dislike so very much, and i will indeed also still continue to do my bit to just keep on fighting against it too. Until they cease with it, or else until the day i die, and thus would also cease to be able to even continue to fight it .
But tonight this is just a shout-out for another human being living on the other side of the world, dealing with some tough cards dealt him via living life within this often rather crazy world we all live in. Somebody whom i cant help feeling could also become of far more benefit to us all , with just a little more help and understanding .
Sadly it seems we live in a world, where too often we would decide to focus so very much, on handing out as “many” punishments as possible . We get so caught up in taking vengence , that we thus way also tend to forget all about all the long-term cost of such over-kill practices . And thus way we would also end up doing so much even longer term harm to ourselves and our children and then their children also, at the very same time. Who will thus way also end up reaping that what has been sown by others , and then also must all try and help pay all of the ongoing rising costs of it.
How very smart and intelligent ? is that blind type thinking . Are we often really far too stupid or what ?
Sometimes almost seem like we try and send as many people as possible to jails , and then in some countries such people can also become marked for life ,and thus find themselves also unable to find employment. Often only serving to help propagate and support a very vicious circle in the process . As some parents without work, then will always also struggle from then on, to try making ends meet. Thus lacking ability to even take good care of introducing their own offspring to any better ways of living either. And that is indeed some form of very great ignorance.
So in this context ,yes indeed i do tend to believe in a type of thing called Karma. Indeed its very true that thus way we do all end reaping of that what has been sown in a general sense. And if there will be any long term hope for us ,it is surely something we must try doing what ever we can to try help changing.
I could have gone over to this persons blog, and joined with the rest of que offering their words of support etc. Then some might have followed the trail back over here to my angry blog, and like some others seem to do, only tended to become angry themselves, at seeing this blog run by an angry atheist. Daring to speak his mind
So i decided, instead why don’t i just put a shout-out over here on my blog ,for a fellow human being in need, that indeed i really feel could become a real extra benefit to society once again ,with just a little wee bit of help from some friendly kind people who care about it.
So please do use a little time to go and take a look at his blog here called Soulblindministry I feel its a good read ,and is worthwhile.
This person is no slouch ,and not looking for hand outs , but rather just needs a little hand-up from a few kind and understanding people who care and might even be able to offer him a “little” help in some way. No matter what way that may even be.
For when i were once a believer they told me. That evidently, you’ll also reap some of that whats been sown by us .
Some faithful folk often seem to almost totally despise, or maybe might even want to really hate anyone who would dare to even question their status quo. They may drop their bottom lip and just totally refuse to even discuss some matters anymore at all. Try to take you to court. Or maybe just ban you making anymore comments on a subject. Sometimes with no reasons why, even being offered.
Sometimes almost seems like if there were actually some way for it to be made legal, they might just have anyone who would even dare, quickly skinned alive and then have their guts for garters also.
One almost needs to try to remember to feel very extremely sorry for some people who it really does seem like maybe ? they didn’t even manage to learn that much , if even anything yet, from some of the past bloody history , of their very own beliefs.
And how very sad is that
Nobody can ever teach any people anything new about something either, if they already decided they sure they already know everything . And had ancestors who were also well known to often be so very totally against even allowing themselves to be suggested to be learning anything new, so many thousands of years ago as well too.
For indeed you can lead a horse to water often .But it still wont ever be likely to even try drinking, at all if it already decided is isn’t ever going to even allow itself to even be asked the simple question, about if it might still be a little thirsty.
Some possible long lasting effect of Religious Nazism.A lack of parental affection has long lasting effect on a gene.. Oh Really so should that mean our society might have such good reason to be literally brimming full of lots of sane kind loving people.Maybe not ?
Check it out.
ScienceDaily (Sep. 30, 2010) — Early life stress, such as an extreme lack of parental affection, has lasting effects on a gene important to normal brain processes and also tied to mental disorders, according to a new animal study in the Sept. 29 issue of The Journal of Neuroscience.
Oh and just by a bit of good luck i stumbled upon something that also may help provide some more answers. Its being called “Religious Trauma Syndrome” and after doing some research and listening to a video about the subject some of the symptoms seemed kind of familiar
Religious Trauma Syndrome Unrecognized But Afflicting Millions . No kidding ..wonder why that might be ? . Might it be a bit like trauma effecting lots and lots of ex eb members but Eclusive Brethren just dont care enough want to recognize it .So just in exactly the same manner general religion plus the governments all pandering to unwarrented respect of religion, simply dont care enough to want to recognize Religious Trauma Syndrome either ?.
Oh and here is a youtube search selection on the very same subject
Faithful folk in general everywhere just like the Exclusive and Renton Brethren do also, stubbornly just dont want to face up to these matters.All the so called liberal church folk are forever liberal ALSO with soldiering onward while turning a blind eye .Its almost like there was atheist Gods smiling down on atheism.The whole lot of these faithful folk have such unshakable faith ,that somehow these faithful folk seem to faithfully believe that if only they can manage to keep denying it long enough.Maybe a miracle will happen and somehow they’ll just get lucky ,and all these problems will simply suddenly disappear into thin air and just go-away.
Dear God please pull Rodger Rabbit out of a hat and suddenly make all the troubles us Theists caused all Magically disappear into Thin Air so we dont need to face up to them
Meanwhile some reports are already starting to circulate , forcasting the final demise for these religions in some places.Humans today think its less valuable than they used to Yippee !!
Its so wonderful being an atheist today, when sleepy christians everywhere are all intent on handing us easy victory! on a plate, through their stubborn pride of not even being willing to get their shit together and make amends.Some of these theist and friends may think im crazy,but when churches are all getting sold because nobody is left wanting to even use them.Who will be well known then! to have obviously honestly been the crazy one?
Even better .Religious folk still wont be likely to face up to it any time soon .So its not likely that this prognosis will get any better for them.They have already been dragging the chain for generation upon generation now.By the time they finally do awake from devotion to the charismatic slumber.The damage will have been done and be so severe absolutely nobody will be left to have any honest respect left for them.
Whats even more funny is those few faithful left in those times will very likely still be the ones dreaming that it is they whom have been persecuted.Just exactly like the Exclusive and Renton Brethren do today.
Theists.These folk are most all natural born comedians.And such wonderful material for inspiring Monty Python films.God bless their cotton church socks.
HT from DC led me to experiencing watching this sweet Wee Gem
I sure had a real good old chuckle to myself while watching it .Even if sadly a whole lot of it did almost seem all to very familiar and real for me as an Ex EB .This …Faith reasoning ! ….Shucks dont you just love it ?.
Faith reasoning = Something must be true because our faith and our church ministry or holy books and leaders/guru’s keep on telling us that its true.
Bruce Hales is MOG because Exclusive Brethren Dogma say's so
Works like a real treat don’t it ? .Cant fault it really …Well not when you have plenty of this thing called Faith …Works every time a cracker ! , just so long as folks remain brain-dead deluded faithful sheep .And thankfully with faith possessing copious amount of both charisma and devotion factor , it makes for one of the very most mighty fine breeding ground of this amazing foolish trait of human Faith Reasoning .
But in my opinion the ROOT of this faith reasoning runs far deeper than what we see sitting on the surface with Bruce Hales and the Exclusive Brethren Christian cult ,the ROOTS of this faith reasoning runs far deeper than what we see sitting on the surface with the Renton Brethren group too.The ROOTS of this type of reasoning is well and truly ROOTED right throughout FAITH BELIEF over all in general .
And the very worst problem is nearly all faithful folk don’t like to dare even admit it.Not Bruce Hales .Not the faithful Exclusive Brethren.Not even the faithful Ex Exclusive Brethren. They are all involved in this very same continuing denial that’s ROOTED in the FAITH of getting involved in this type of faithful circular reasoning.
Sure i can understand why there is some extreme animosity between the Exclusive Brethren faithful folk , and some Ex EB`s who still remain faith Christians too.The Ex EBs got ripped off ,we lost much of our family life.But casting stones directly at the EB over the existence of faith reasoning doesn’t fix things.Cause it doesnt address the real ROOT of the problem much.All it does is try looking for somebody to single out and lay blame on ,while continuing to be just about as blind also , as those others you singled out and would like accuse of being “the blind ones”.
In my opinion some more Ex EBs might need to consider and explore this matter a little more deeply , cause faithful EBs verses faithful Ex EBs could come under much the same type of context dealt with in this you-tube video above , except its EB faithful verses Ex EB faithful trying to suggest one faith is somehow better than the other type of faith is.And its founded on much the same faith reasoning .
Mostly they are all excellent people both the EB an Ex EB . But sadly faith can mislead people into what could be some bad reasoning , reasoning that sort of goes like this .
We have great faith that you are to blame ,because have great faith that you are to blame.
This sounds like some pretty solid sort of truth indeed, if indeed enough faith exists that it is truth.But is it ?.
Friends alive run a very excellent site for recovering cult members, and many Ex EBs along with some EBs discuss many matters to do with Cults ,faiths and religion and much more.And its a really good thing because discussion is whats really needed.
The first sentence reads : I am delighted that Bruce Hales has gone back on his words and principles in a number of cases. He likens it to the Lord turning a corner. I liken it to Bruce Hales doing what he likes. To changing strongly held rules to suit his own current day regime and whims.
First of all i want to say im also just as much ! pissed-off about the situation that has developed, as this person i have quoted is.I agree its utter bullshit the way faith changes its mind when so happens it seems it suits them .That really sucks like hell and literally reeks to high heaven of some extremely deceitful practices.But are the EB to blame for it ?.
If we read the Christian holy bible we see much of the same evidence that suggests people of faith change their mind like the wind!, whenever it pleases them .If it wasnt a fact the second testament would be much the same as the first testament was.And people would still stone people to death these days.And if a group of men was coming to sodomize your male friends that are staying at your house,you would be still expected to hand out your own daughter for sex use ,to try to stop this type of situation from happening.And it would still be considered something that’s thought very wrong to suffer a witch to live , if indeed it wasnt honestly quite an extremely traditional normal thing for folks of faith to have very often -> ” gone back on his words and principles in a number of cases.” .
And so getting away from the trap of using faith reasoning , that causes so many people these continuing problems of making bad judgment,due to devotion to charismatic beliefs .
We need to admit this problem is far from being ROOTED in problems caused by the Exclusive Brethren Cult .For the Exclusive Brethren cult is only but a very small part of the collateral damage caused through the faithful continued promotion of this silly faith reasoning .
This person goes on to talk about being kept in the dark within the EB ,well im afraid to break it to this person but yes indeed ! it is also been very traditional trait for faiths to try to keep their followers in the dark ,this must be the case.Unless folks really wish to think all religion is true? .If not , then quite obviously yes! indeed it has been very traditional trait for many faithful to try and keep all their people in the dark by faith.
This person says of the EB -> ” Then we see the wickedness of this latest Man of God’s self-importance. His arrogance is so gobsmacking that you have to be out of the Church to really see it for what it is. “
Hold on son dont shooting anybody quite just yet .Lets discuss these matters a little more first .I do sure agree with you about it being gobsmackingly arrogant and wickedly self-important and all that stuff ..But do you honestly think the ROOT of this problem belongs to those in the EB ?.
I find it hard to agree ,but then im an atheist who is no longer bothered in being interested in following faith-reasoning . You are suggesting : the EB are to blame because the EB are to blame
How do you decide this ? ..By faith-reasoning ? …Because some non EB preacher told you its true?.
Its a historic fact that faith has traditionally always been full of arrogance and self-importance.They didnt burn folk at the stake without having plenty of arrogance and self-importance flowing through their faithful veins.Ancient theists didnt cast live babies into the flames of fire in hope of receiving gains of better fertility for themselves , without arrogantly feeling very self-important
In fact faith in people gaining eternal salvation itself , for the person being faithful …Wouldnt exist without extreme arrogance of the self-important attitude faithful people have that makes them believe they are those who deserve to gain eternal salvation .
If the arrogance and self-importance wasnt at the very ROOTS of faith , people wouldn’t have felt they deserved to gain this eternal salvation when it always cost many other folks great harm or even their lives on this earth , and lots and lots of continuing suffering …Like it ALWAYS has .
But arrogance and self-importance has always run rife within faith.For its also got lots to do with all the many faiths and dominations now existing.
There is so much more that could be said about this thread ,even the third comment is telling of whether its good reasoning or faith-reasoning being used .
It says ..-> ” They seem to have no idea about the extent of hard evidence of harm that is against them. How will they ever manage to keep the bluff of the pure line going? The pure line is gone, was never there, but now the ordinary EB are recognizing it, that’s the difference.
After 40 years in the wilderness……….! “
Hold that shotgun buster ! please don’t go shooting any EB folk just yet !! .How about we discuss these matters a little more first.It seems to me your faith-reasoning may be? helping you overlook a few very important matters .
Have you forgotten that this “extent of hard evidence of harm that is against them“ is not really so honestly only up against the EB is it…For indeed the EB may be harmful but they have not burned any folks at the stake lately that im aware of have they ? .They have not killed people for heresy or used methods of torture that was once also very traditional of folks of faith.And yet these same folks of faith who burned and killed people in ancient times , also still managed to keep the bullshit line going of having a pure line
I agree with you its ALWAYS been faithful bullshit ! , the whole lot of it ! , and yes many people are starting to wake up and see it . And about time too because a very high price has been already been paid for the arrogant self-important manner displayed by all folks of faith , who have seemed to think they are those who deserve to GAIN eternal life for themselves .Even if it costs some other people !
Some of us who can see that , are now agnostic atheists.
It is a very sad thing that faith has been based on this extremely thoughtless destructive type of Pascals Wager .For indeed this is just as selfish as a gambler who don’t mind much at all ! what it might cost OTHERS for his addiction of gambling
Thats faith in a nut shell Gambling at the cost of other folk
Christian did you realize Jesus never paid much for the price of your hope of gaining your own eternal salvation ….For very many other people paid a huge amount more than just merely a few days spent on some cross before rising to some heaven.
Very many more people have lost their lives for your hope of gaining your own salvation. Some were burned at the stake a extremely painful way to die !, and sometimes it took two whole hours for them to die this way , due to all the faithful arrogant self-importance running through the veins of faithful folk willfully involved in faith and superstition .
Im sure all Christian dislike having to face the possibility of not having a pure line , just as much as any Exclusive Brethren also does . For its tough on the conscience
But never mind bagging the EB …it time to wake up and smell the roses yourself ! Christian , for all the evidence you need of this OBVIOUS lack of a pure-line is also even recorded in your very own ancient holy books .
Sure the EB have hurt many people .But come on try to keep it honest. Why blame them when its traditional ?
It’s been totally in keeping with much wider Christian tradition to be happy to hurt people.
We often wonder how come our families can still remain within these abusive cults and continue to be led right up the gum tree by endless lies and deceit . Many Ex cult members who still remain Christians will try throwing bible verses about and try threatening the cult members with threats of meeting God in some afterlife and make suggestions they will pay .
I guess threatening this way may help these faithful folk feel like maybe they are something special.It might make them feel better having thrown a few stones around inside the glass house.But do these types of people ever ponder much about how this type situation might have even been able to evolve in the first place.If faith is founded so very much on promoting complete truthfulness and honesty ,then how can faith have helped spawn places like the Rentons and Exclusives ?.
In my opinion i don’t think the faithful in general like to ponder these thoughts very much .Its far easier to toss a few stones around inside the glass house of faith aimed at hitting these groups that have been singled out as the scape-goats, toss stones and lay blame on these groups set up to take ”the” fall for faith. Because whether faithful folks like to ponder the thought much or not, the fact remains its obvious theism is literally full of manipulative practices.And there is absolutely no evidence at all that would suggest that the ancient theists would have been likely to have been any more completely truthful or honest either, than we see modern theists are like today.I suggest we can place a pretty sure bet,that ancient theists were also quite happy to bend the truth and deceitfully manipulate matters just as much if not more.They would have sure been able to get away with many more deceitful practices back then ,because human knowledge was less at that time.
Then when these more abusive cults have evolved and people are hurt, they look to find some group to lay the blame on. Many ex cult members will still hold on to some sort of faith like it’s a cuddly rug , they wont dare look inward at this faith for answers .No it’s far more comfortable and much easier to throw stones at these particular cults that they have singled out to take the fall.And thus a never-ending chain of events keeps on repeating from time to time ,because faithful blame other victims instead of having the guts to start to look inwardly at their faith cuddly rug to see all the mould that’s quietly been steadily growing and festering, going totally unnoticed and undisturbed.
This manipulative Theism that’s long been adopted as being part of a mainstay of faith practices, runs rife within human society .Take a look at this section of you-tube video that’s a part of a debate between the theist Doug Wilson and atheist Christopher Hitchens .Named Christopher Hitchens on Critical Thinking.
What do folks think of it ? .Did folks notice how Doug Wilson trys to quietly slip in the idea that people have faith in reason.He suggest that Christopher Hitchens has faith in reason , and suggests it’s no different to Doug Wilson’s faith in the bible. And whats more take a good look at Wilson’s body language between the period 0:51 through to about period 1:22 on this video when Hitchens is busy explaining why it’s not got anything much to do with Hitchens having “faith“ in reason .Wilsons body language tells us he isn’t really even listening to what Hitchens is saying ,Wilsons body language tells us Wilsons mind is away with the fairy’s and already made up and not about to be changed,and as such while Hitchens trys his best to explain ,Wilson is simply tossing his head around like a loose cannon , not even listening ! his thoughts focused almost entirely on concentrating on rehearsing and refining his pre-learned faith meme answer that he has practiced and polished as an answer to give in these exact type situations.
And this is all part and parcel of faith in general and its long-standing use of the many very manipulative ways theists are often tutored in what manipulative type answers to try to choose to give to people in these type situations. So as to help pull the wool over the eyes of the unsuspecting victim of such deceitful practices.
Did you honestly really think theism was deeply connected to the trait of using complete honesty and truth? ,well if you thought that , i suggest maybe that’s in big part ! due to theism being involved in demanding respect that it had not honestly earned. It does this by suggesting proper faith demands the humans complete faithfulness .While this may even be true ,the faithful will put themselves in grave danger of becoming devoted to the charisma of the belief , and as such will faithfully let extremely important parts of their prefrontal and anterior cingulate cortices shut down.
But anyway back to this video debate between Wilson the theist and Hitchens the atheist, that has been named Hitchens on Critical Thinking . Wilson the theist wants to suggest that faith in reason is just as much about faith as faith in theism is .Theists like Wilson are trained to pull these type of cheap-tricks, just as almost all priests and preachers and yes even Bruce Hales has also got some practiced tried and trusted polished lines they will also try using to try and get the “drop” on the unsuspecting devoted faithful victims around them .Most theist have all been involved in using these practices for thousands of years now.It like humans learning a special cultural accent , Theists learn a special Theist accent that’s passed along among them.Taught from one to another.
Wilson suggests Hitchens has faith in reason, just the same way as Wilson has faith in the holy bible.This is not completely true ,but Wilson is no more concerned with whats completely honest and true than what Bruce Hales is either .Theists like Wilson and Bruce Hales are far more concerned with holding the position and winning the debate and continuing indoctrinating people and keeping them captive within faith .They are not really so concerned with matters of complete truth and honesty.No their fame and position matters most.And feeling that human faith is the ultimate goal ,how that faith is achieved is merely a small side issue to them.If it be through manipulation by use of deceit , they dont mind .
Hitchens has some trust in reason because reason has proved to work for humans.We humans use it all the time.Without using reasoning, we will be far more likely to make many more mistakes.But we don’t use much “faith” in reason ,for if we used faith to reason i might just have “faith” that my cars tank had enough petrol in it .If i have faith that my car has petrol in the tank ,why would i even bother with reasoning ? about whether it has or not. Absolutely no need to reason ! is there ? , if i use faith in my method of reasoning right ?.Like Wilson trys to suggest !
No humans do put some trust in the method of reasoning , but we try our very best to keep faith out of it , for we are not looking for something to be faithful about , no we are trusting that by use of some reasoning we can hopefully help ourselves decide an unbiased view of what might most likely be the honest truth .
Thus it is in our very best interest to try to keep faith outof our reasoning .
Yes we humans do have some trust in the method of reasoning , but for finding an unbiased answer we must be sure to try to not reason through faith
Take this bible verse that Hitchens mentions : “Jesus loves me this i know,for the bible tells me so. “This is reasoning by faith. .Imagine if it read..: ” Bruce Hales loves me this i know ,for the Exclusive Brethren tell me so “
Both these sentences above are about faith reasoning ….Does this really sound like a very good type of method of reasoning to you ? . Is it bound to help humans produce an unbiased type of honest truth ?….Kind of circular very biased type reasoning isnt it ?.
1…The bible says so -therefore Jesus loves me
2…..The brethren says so – therefore Bruce Hales loves me
Both are circular faith reasoning
Not really such good reliable method of reasoning is it.
Theists will also try this very same sort of slippery trick by suggesting humans put faith in science . Yet if science honestly had much to do with any faith ,science would soon enough become worthless for helping humans decide what might be the honest truth . Scientists must try their very best to keep faith out of science .
For its extremely important they do . Most important science must also be peer-reviewed .Thus it is in the very best interest of all good scientists to try and keep faith out of science and keep it unbiased and honest . For if they dont they will risk their professionalism and job and quite possibly even end up becoming far more well-known for being a complete deceitful utter fool .And good scientists don’t study such long hard hours at school and university , in hope of some day being classed as deceitful stupid utter fools.And this is the great risks they will take if they dare to bring faith into their science reasoning .
Scientists may have some ”faith” in an initial idea ,say like the idea that black holes exist , but after the initial faith of the idea , they must start to try to put some trust in the reasoning that’s gained through use of the tool science , while keeping faith out .This way its trust in the reasoning that trys to help lead us toward what might be the honest truth.Rather than being faith in the reasoning.We must try to keep our faith out ,and put trust in the hope that reason will simply lead us toward the truth.
Sure science gets things wrong sometimes .Our reasoning gets things wrong sometimes too.Reasoning and science isn’t any fool-proof tool and humans are imperfect…But as long as we choose to try our best and keep faith out we will still have a far better chance of hopefully seeing our mistakes some day if we make any , and thus be able to also make the changes that’s needed.
But to much faith gets in the way of reason as well as the human ability to change.
Why do you think we see our families still remain captive within these cults ?.
Has reason or faith been promoted as possibly being their best bet! for prefered choice to bank on ?.
The Ex cult faithful folk need to try and remind themselves tossing stones around willy-nilly within glass-houses only serves to achieve breaking plenty of stained glass.
People who choose to continue to do this have simply chosen to keep faith in their reasoning .As such they will never learn nothing new .They are bad scientists who will only promote humans who will mindlessly continue onward to repeat the very same mistakes generation after generation.
