Faith Hinders Reason

I often feel like i can see a pretty constant flow of evidence that continually seem to help confirm how often faith can tend become a great hindrance to people ability to reason things through


For instance.Take a look at a conversation like this one here

Where some ex eb theist folk are busy with discussing issues of marriage equality in Australia.

On that thread we can see how Peter Flynn has this to say

Quote :

But the term which irritates me the most is “marriage equality”. My interpretation of that is the equal status of the man and the woman in a marriage. By definition, to me, marriage is of necessity between a man and a woman. End of story. However, the advocates for same-sex marriage have very skilfully adopted the phrase “marriage equality” to mean that a “marriage” between a man and woman OR between a couple of the same sex has equal status.

end quote

Maybe? they had “skilfully adopted the phrase “marriage equality”,  because the crux of this matter, has something directly to do with issues of marriage equality.

That might easily help to explain their valid reason for choosing to adopt this phrase. Gay folk are saying that it come down to a matter of equality.

Of course Peter is somewhat unlikely to even feel like this inequality might in fact exist.Because, so happens, that only type of extra-close relationship that Peter personally ever experiences, will only ever be of a heterosexual relationship type .

And so perhaps this also help to explain why it might also tend to amount to the “End of story” , as far as Peter is concerned personally

Peter (to me) seems quite concerned that those gay folk would even dare to ask to enjoy equal rights. How dare? that these folks demand for fairer treatment.

Of course Bruce Hales might be likely to tend to also agree too. Like how? dare any ex member would ever even be heard to stand-up and make demand for any fairer treatment.

How dare they,how dare they, if they are within the minority

Any issue of separation doesn’t affect Bruce Hales so-personally.Just as this issue of marriage equality also doesn’t need to effect Peter so-personally either

But allowing same sex marriage. Wont do anything to hinder any heterosexual people’s ability to get married. And it’s not like same sex marriage, will force heterosexual folk to become gay either

Yet folk like Peter still cannot begin to see why some might have begun to see them as acting homophobic.

Balaam’s Ass later said this

Quote :

I heard something on the radio this morning that made me smile. A lady said “I can’t see the problem. If there’s a change in the law, it will make gay people happy. If straight people don’t like it, don’t marry a gay person. So everyone’s happy!”

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So true. If heterosexual people don’t even like the idea of gay marriage. The gay folk are making no demand that they would ever need to be forced to do so .

So whats? the big problem here then

I put it to Peter. That the problem is that some folks like you are still trying to retain ways to rule over the lives of other folk around you choose to live

A few comments later in this same thread . We hear from PeterF

PeterF discusses the idea of moral decline . However he at least admit, that judgement of moral decline is “subjective and dependent” to what kind of moral code people choose to follow.Most usually the code will also parallel the very same code of our parents. Faith is often kind of cultural. So we thus obviously have no totally objective way in which to decide. Best we can do , is to try our best to continue to learn through all ongoing experiences (social science) and so on

PeterF also seems to feel, that life should be run via vote of majority rule. He feel that because it’s the minority who is making these demands for marriage equality, then this minority should perhaps just learn how to “shut-up and accept” the majorities choice (rule)

Did ? PeterF even think to also apply his same ideas, to the plight of us ex ebs also. Because we (ex eb’s) are among a type of minority as well too

In another comment, later on, PeterF says “I dont demand anything from anyone, acceptance recognition or space.”

Really ? . So you mean? you would also make no demand,in regard to the issue that marriage should need to remain as choice only available to heterosexual folk.

Hundreds of Christian will also have faith that they make no-demands. However too-often these folk are blissfully overlooking demands that they will actually help to uphold

Next we hear from someone called Humbled . Humbled proceed to humbly directly associate and compare the life of a deceitful adulterer , with the lives of some people who is merely choosing to just live their lives happily in same sex marriages

As if ? the two can ever be compared in any just/fair manner . Theists? are supposed to care about justice

1.On one hand we had a sly married priest who was caught while messing around in a rude and crude and uttermost blatantly adulterous manner.

2.While on the other hand, there was two people of the same sex, whom are merely living their life happily together within an openly gay relationship

Yet for some reason , it seems? that Humbled is still unable to even begin to see that there is in fact any real difference between the two different situations ive discribed.

The lives of some openly gay couples, are being directly compared here to the sly adulterous relationships of people whom were caught trying to pretend to be, what they were not

I feel, that theists do seem to often lack an ability to reason well.

How could ? this person Humbled , have even managed to completely overlook this difference,if it is not for the fact that he/she most-likely just didnt even really bother to “reason” things through properly first of all (because theists are apt to so-often live their lives through-faith)

Theist method of reasoning is most often faith-based. That is that they

1 .First start their approach from the very point of where they will finally want to end up

2. then skip through need for in-depth contemplation of all the checks and balance (reasoning)

3. Move on .Come straight to their preferred conclusion, based on the “faith” that has already been passed-on to them,via other faithful folk


That works fine for them.Right up until such time, as they may find how their conclusion are being “questioned” and “shown-up” as wrong

Meanwhile theists are also still busy with trying to tell us atheists, that it is in fact “God himself” whom is directly behind helping to impart human knowledge and human-consciousness

If that is correct ?.

Then how come?, it also seem to be the “theist God-believing folk” whom more often than not,  do also seem “rather slow” to even be able to begin to “reason” or fully comprehend some of these kind of issues

If it is God whom impart knowledge. Then we might ? surely also have good reason to fully expect, that perhaps it would also be likely to be the theist folk too, whom should then also be able to display how they would-have a far-superior sense of knowledge and suchlike

However .We really don’t see any evidence in that respect

If anything, there is in fact loads of evidence,continually amounting, that do seem to suggest the opposite might apply


In the comment that i saw were made by the person named Humbled. They had said this

Quote :

As a sinner I am good at that and also of twisting scripture and facts to suit my opinion.

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The irony with that is ,that even as a theist, the theist still also has a certain abilty to easily find ways in which to twist facts,so as to suit their own-faith

















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Life Can Feel Like It’s Been A Huge Overwhelming Struggle Sometimes

Eight of us kids in our family.Our dad already died of cancer some months before the time that i had turned two year’s old.He was still only aged 38 (if  i’m remembering correctly what i were told).And two siblings of ours had also already not survived either, and had already died and been buried too as well by then.

Our mum then went and appointed our eldest brother as the enforcer of our house.Where six of us kids  that remained alive and our mum lived. I can still well remember all the yelling and screaming, and as well as the violence that had sometimes occurred within that house too.Like the time that my eldest brother was trying to bash-down the toilet door, to get in so as to give our other brother a good beating.I remember standing there crying and pleading that all the anger would stop.Cause i just happen to still have heaps of affections for everyone.But in our family, the most general approach had always been kind of like ,”spare the rod and spoil the child” type of “bent messed-up” mentality. And within our type of cult-life ,normal “natural love”,all too often ran “rather thin”. Folk were made most aware of “devils” and “sin” and all the other silly theist-bullshit like that. Things to do with an-after life, that for all purpose of honesty, the truth is, that still even unto this very moment right now, there is still absolutely no-evidence in even the slightest, to help suggest to us ,that this “after life” , might even factually exist. So our earthly lives were wagered with,in this theistic manner, as if our life on earth were thought to be of so little value

Evidently our dad really also helped to establish that kind of path too, before he had passed on

More than likely, it also really didn’t help these kind of matters much either though, that (unbeknownst to either our dad or mum at the time) some of my siblings were also born on the autism spectrum .Or that there could quite likely also be some sort of ADHD aspect or something like that that were constantly having an detrimental effect on our family-life to boot as well too. For my eldest brother had explored many rather strange things. Doing strange things like nailing our other brother into a banana box, and then throwing him into the creek,so as to see if he may float.Evidently it were just extremely lucky right at that moment, that our dad also happen to be watching at the very-exact time it just happen.And so had had just enough time, to rush out to the rescue.And yet at another different day, this same brother, had decided instead to kindly offer one of our first-cousins to go for a joy ride, by sitting herself on top of a self-propelled reel lawnmower. But an accident happened when the sharp “lawn cutting reel” quickly sliced into the back of her heels.Mincing them up some.

Of course the punishment for this kind of miss-deed, that our dad would then deliver to this autistic-brother, once again was very severe (an according? to some old bible scripture). And were also something that this brother would also learn how to deliver-out to his own children too (later on after he had got married and had had his own children) So in effect, the practice of this kind of violence, then also still just got kind of “passed-on” along the family chain

I still vividly remember how one sister of mine, also seem (to me) to find it like some kind of real fun,for her to actively try dunking my head right under the waves in the surf at the beach. She enjoyed watching  me cough and splutter and very nearly choke to death on gulps of salt water. Leaving me feeling like i were just about to completely drown (to this day i still have some phobia of water,  and so have  still never learned how to swim “properly”). I also remember being constantly teased by other kids at school too,all  because i now had this phobia

This sister, and another sister of mine,as two highly-bored cult members. For some reason would make some of their own kind of fun,to help kill the boredom of cult life, by holding hands together while one of them was also holding onto my hand as well too. While the other one would then quickly grasp onto a live-wire electric fence, that ran right down the back of the place where we lived at that time .I got electric shocks, while they were enjoying the fun so much ,that they held-on .So the outcome of that experience now too, is that i also have developed a phobia of electric-shocks, and so i still really hate to ever feel any electric shocks either .

These days. I now sometimes wonder, if my own? mother might have been somewhere? on the autistic spectrum as well too.

For indeed i also have crazy memory’s of my own mums strange behavior. Such as the one-time that i fell-out through mistaken leaning on the door-handle and thus also opening the  rear car door as we had-rounded the corner at some traffic lights (no kids seat belts back in those days).

My knees were badly beaten and were ripped-up rather badly from after skidding-along on the tar-seal road. However mum still took us both on our original destination, off to church, where mum and other brethren sisters that were also meeting there would then just proceed to try there best to  scrape-out all the grit and gravel from my skinned-knee, and also then applied some iodine ointment or something like that.It happen this way, because of reasons our mum were also always forever so-fearful ,about exclusive brethren teaching, of how we might just miss out on the exact moment that the “rapture” would arrive. If ever caught uncarefull to remain “ever-vigilant” in regard to our faith

So then by the act of her decision in not taking me directly into hospital, for proper examination, or xray .

I would be left with severe tissue scaring on both inside surfaces of one of my knee cap socket. The kind of damage that would then continue to cause me some ongoing pain and discomfort in times ahead, that would later lead on to the final formation of inflammation, swelling and arthritis. Damage that i would just learn to live-with, and would remain unaware of, until some decades later on. When i would get so sore (from the ongoing wear and tear of scarring)  that i finally begged some surgeon to just please at least take a quick wee look inside, by use of micro surgery tools in hospital. Where by they freaked-out, upon finding out exactly how much scarring and damage that they did actually find inside there. Whereby they then also asked me , if i can remember about any past incident, that might help to explain how i might have had this kind of level of damage occur

So after that , by dredging back through these faint memories, one day i did finally begin to remember that faint memory of this past accident happening.Remembering also about how we had never gotten any examination in hospital,due to mum fearing that we might one of those whom might miss the rapture 

Anyway by the time i  had turned age around about 5 to six year old. Suddenly we needed to very quickly learn how to shun and totally disown one of these sisters , as if she had actually died. I remember pleading with our mum, to ask that we shouldnt need to do so. I pleaded with mum, because you see i also happen to still really love thus sister of ours . And im hurting like hell about this

But to no avail.My pleading fell on totally deaf ears.Fell on faithfully deaf-ears in fact. And so from that moment on , we learned to close natural-feelings of family love down, i would then never ever see or get to talk to this sister again , until such time as around about another ten years would first need to pass by. Before i would then finally get to meet this sister once again .

But sadly i cannot honestly add that we would ever get to actually re-unite . For indeed we had already drifted-apart , and would thus never ever get back to feeling truly close to one and other ever again.The thing is , within this time lost, we also do also tend to slowly start to “lose something ” and thus will begin to have grown-apart as well too

So by this time, i have already learned how to suppress some of my own feelings of natural love and human emotion. Thus how some aspects of childhood emotional neglect are already setting in. And so im also already set on a coarse where by i will continue to become un-equipped to ever feel like i can truly afford to allow myself to ever get-close to anyone at all in life

Anyway.By the time i would turn somewhere around 7 or 8 year old (at a guess). Within the fellowship of brethren ,within the lounge-room of the house at my brother and sister in laws own-place. I would soon also see some movies.Movies that at that time, were still of the old reel-type of motion movies too (for there was no such thing as any home-video at that time).

The kitchen table seats were all set up within the lounge of my brother and sister house, and were soon filled by a number of exclusive brethren members as well too.A gathering of brethren members. The three movies (i remember) we all watched together were

1. Charlie Chaplin

2.Documentary of Fiat car production techniques .

3 . An orgy pornographic movie (which might possibly have been named “Debbie does Dallas”, i think) . At a time when pornographic movies were still being treated like illegal-contraband, and so were still totally illegal  for anyone to decide to show

It was “by mistake” that i had still been sitting there within my seat within that lounge, when this particular porno movie-reel had threaded and played.The showing of this movie, had purposely been left until last (because by-then i wasn’t even supposed to still be-awake). They all (the exclusive brethren adults) completely forgot i was still sitting there quietly too,while the Fiat car documentary had played and had finished, and then the porno was finally threaded-up into the movie projector and were played. They completely forgot i was even there within the same room as all  them “miss behaving” brethren folk, until such time as certain actions within the scene of the orgy that progressed,and had suddenly caused the whole room to erupt in rounds of laughter. Due to an act of double penetration

The adults all suddenly went wild.All start laughing and carrying on within their highly drunken-state of mind (they were also all sopping on loads of whisky and suchlike) . An uproar, to which i am also naturally drawn into trying my best to try figuring out “reasons for”  , at myself too even at my “very young” age (as a 7 or 8 year old)

Anyway to cut a long story short, at the very moment that i had quit my silence. And in moments-after im heard (above the drunken laughter)to pipe-up and ask so as for me to verbally try asking them to explain all the-reasons behind depth of all their laughter. Is pretty much the very same moment too, that im suddenly being quickly whisked out of that room, and im promptly being sent packing off to bed.

I was so peeved off about that (IE: about me being sent to bed, after i had been doing my very-best to stay silent for so long, had been watching the movie quietly (like i had been ordered to do) so that others-there could also be able to hear exactly what was that’s being said by actors on the movie screen). That the very next day when i finally awoke, i would also demand to move out of that house right-away,so as to then go and stay over at my sister and brother in laws house instead,  they live in their house on the other side of the same town (and they never thought to even ask me for reason why i chose to leave) .

Even stranger than all this weird stuff . Is this .That after that experience with the porno movie, that within a matter of months (or perhaps a year or so “at the very-maximum”) this sister and brother (where i had demanded to go and stay, my sister and brother in law whom had not been involved in slyly watching any porno movies). Would be soon to make accusations (to members of local exclusive brethren) about a certain local exclusive brethren priest, of whom they had also found out evidence to suggest that he was more than likely actively involved in adultery

But sadly this sister and brother in law was tossed out of the exclusive brethren. Excommunicated . And the exclusive brethren demands were made, that we should now need to totally disown and excommunicate from loving-company of this sister and brother in law too

Yet quite-soon in time to come. The real truth of the matter would soon come-out. For indeed evidence still soon surfaced, that indeed the accusations (my sister and brother in law had already made) were in fact correct. The local priest was indeed actively involved in adultery .

So therefore, my sister and brother in law ,had in fact been wrongfully withdrawn from, While meanwhile, my porno film watching brother and sister in law and exclusive brethren fellowship friends to boot ,has somehow managed to escape any punishments at all, They all remained within the fellowship of the exclusive brethren church

The same exclusive brethren church that lay claim to separate from evil

So you see (reader) how im already been receiving some sort of really morally mixed-up messages here .

1 .I’m surrounded by deluded exclusive brethren followers whom faithfully believe that they are keeping-pure and as such are thus actively separating themselves from evil

2. I’m also surrounded by loads and loads of other deluded non- exclusive brethren faithful folk within this world too . Christian outsiders , most of whom have also been faithfully convinced into believing that the exclusive brethren members (as believing-folk) must thus surely also obviously be just good honest decent caring Christian folk too? right.


By now, my excommunicated sister and brother in law, have now given birth to a child that has a very rare genetic disease ( you can google the words : “Maple syrup syndrome children” , for more info on this rare disease if you wish to learn more) . My sister and brother in law are being told that this diseased-child has been born unto them, as punishment due to their own sinful act, of daring to try accusing any (hierarchy) brethren priests

The wee boy would finally pass away dying when aged only around 4 year old.His heart having finally given-up , due to the amount of times he had often lay in hospital, within a state of “near-death” . His wee heart were doing far too-much overtime, while trying to stay alive, whenever he were constantly put back and forth, into emergency hospital care . The wee chap was a lovely wee personality.He would like to jump up onto the couch, would stand up there and sing along to Neil Diamond songs that often were played within that house,while he were also pretending to play “air guitar”



However sadly there was never any parent of ours whom were ever there to offer them-two (my sister and brother in law) any kind of parent-support at all.Not even one bit.No not even in the very slightest. Not even for even one single moment of even one single day, thereafter the time that they had first been excomunicated) Due to the fact that my sister and brother excommunication had meant that they had then also lost all contact , with either of their exclusive brethren parents from both side of their marriage. And the same thing too, for awhile, from “some” of us brothers and sisters as well

We buried our nephew. But when i say “we” buried our nephew , im now talking about this really “emotionally broken” and totally fucked-up fragment of a family of mine, one that had  slowly all escape as first of all the escape “dumping” of our single-sister, and then next escape “dumping” of one-couple too, and then after that three more sibling-escapes (including myself) that also slowly continue to happen one by one,these were our random method of slow-escape from within the ranks of the exclusive brethren group.

A family that once upon a time also might have actually even also had a far more decent chance, to just possibly have even near-enough gotten to have been like a real family really should have been able to be

So we all never even learned how to properly love each other.So then, how? the hell were we then ever supposed to even be-able to know-how to properly love other people too whom we will also soon to get to meet along the way.Even sometimes our own children (in any fully proper and decent normal manner).I’d say we still all suffer some ongoing after-effect of the kind of trauma/torture that we have all experienced.And while i do realize how there are some other ex exclusive brethren folk whom have thankfully managed to hold their family scene together far more.Remembering lots of love and laughter.

Well for us, this was just something that it would seem were pretty much  already made more or less pretty much near impossible for our-family to ever be all that likely to ever achieve .

A lot of it kind of come down to simple maths. The odds are kind too often been running against the grain

Some first cousins of ours,have fared far better than our family ever did.But how the hell? can anyone of these folk, ever faithfully think to themselves, it possible that maybe some-God might have played even a small part in being involved in any of this pot-luck kind of destiny  that we have been forced to survive and live-with

Theist folk sure have a tendency , to be apt to take real-notice of evidence that they think helps to shore-up their own faith. While these very same folk also seem to shield themselves from even considering any evidence, that might also instead help suggest that maybe much about life is totally random and as such is also without sign of any real evidence of Gods-handiwork

My own father, had been one member of the local city exclusive brethren church membership where we lived, whom had decided to take an active stand in regards to the immoral disgusting and often sexually crude action that had openly been seen and experienced to have happen at a brethren meeting at Aberdeen, Scotland , when James Taylor Jnr had been so drunk during an exclusive brethren hall church fellowship meeting

You can read more information in regard to this particular incident, via this link here 

Dad had made a personal-stand within our locality. And had taken some heat for his boldness in even daring to accuse a man of God of any such terrible accusations

Not long after this.Or maybe, even at approximately the same time. Our Dad soon also learned, how he in fact, had terminal cancer. He soon died as only a mere gaunt thin skeleton of the man that he once were.

Our dad died while he were also closely contemplating the idea that it was likely to be something about “Gods will” for mankind

He left me a personal-letter, that he-wrote me ,when he were laying on his final death bed. And this letter, was one-half of my total-inheritance . A letter that certain members of family would decide to drag out of the cupboard wherever it was stored,and would read to me from time to time. A kind of highly emotional letter, that (to me when very young) it often used to feel like it had almost cut me in two

I now still have this letter today.It was returned to me. It’s by now looking very tattered old and faded.

Our father was a very family orientated dad (so ive been told anyway). And i personally can confirm that there is evidence that this was indeed a trait of his,that was so much so, that our Dad had also even thought to have purposely gone out and had purchased a camera himself.He did so before he even purchase us our own house (it was for our family to be able to use so as to still help us at least to capture a few happy family moment’s of some memories together) and he had taken photo’ of even some “extended family” that were also camping there with us on these beach holiday camping times together, whenever they were all having loads of fun  camping at the beach. Such as ,friends and family enjoying the fun of riding along upon car-bonnets, that were being towed-fast along behind the car by a rope,in the sand running along the sea-shore at the beach

Some times, when we were young, and were still all lucky to living in contact with each other.We would all gather and sit around and have a special photo viewing evenings within our lounge room at night.And all the photo slides would be dragged out of the cupboard . We would all sit in the dark room, while they would then be displayed through our photo slide projector, which was shone up onto a white bed-sheet that had been pinned-up onto our lounge room wall. And the older kids continued to battle over “exactly” who was who

Those pictures had depicted some past times, that were also of some times that were memories of some far far more happier earlier brethren times together, it  had seemed to me. But mostly those memories were also all of times that had happened before i were even born

Within my life time. I already have had two experiences of the aftermath of both of my elder brothers having attempted to try and use ways to take their own lives through an act of suicide

More than once ,i have experience both these elder  brothers of mine too, to have pretty much acted far more like i would really expect an enemy’s to tend to be more likely to want to act toward me.

The natural usual human attachments have been so thoroughly fucked up

1 One brother more often than  not, always acts as if he would sure as hell be completely happily to choose to just leave me for dead, whenever he had also thought that such-acts would also help him to save his own skin

2 The other brother is educated having been though university. Has personally admitted to me , how he tend to feel better about himself, whenever he can find some way,  to try and make me look worse , than what my brother personal feels about himself

So then.Who? would really need to worry so much about any other type enemy there may be in life. When they already have family members like this

I still have very many more other experiences too that i could still try and continue to recall and write down here too . So that some other folk might perhaps begin to understand reason why i might have become the way i am. Someone whom feel like they don’t have anyone that they can ever really trust

But it wont ever fix it. It wont help to re-write any of this history. And each and every time that another distant memory is being dredged up again from within the dark corners of my mind , where i have purposely tried to file them all away. Well it also always kind of help reestablish that raw wounded feeling that ive spent so many hours of my lifetime, in trying my hardest to bury

However. While i remain silent. Some folk can also only think that im wanting to be this way. That i must choose to be unhappy an emotionally inapt


That’s one of the worst things about this ongoing situation with cults. The hurt continues. We continue to feel all kind of abuse, for some things, that we really had never even chosen to take part in, in the first place

Cult members

1 . Must first suffer the consequence of being born into these cults.

2.Then will also still continue to suffer the lasting-effects that will still continue to remain effective even a long time after they had chosen to leave


Even after the brethren review had came and went. Some very hurtful things have still continue to cause me to tend to feel like life is continually such a huge struggle, that its just almost too-hard. And while i was still struggling to try and find some way to “come to grips” with all the lies that i had swallowed within the review. Delivered unto me, by certain close family members of mine, of whom i was also trying to believe “were loving” and “honest”.

  1. I also happen to come in contact with this guy here as well too. Someone whom is also constantly getting caught for re-offending
  2. And then not so long after that, and while im still struggling (on my own) to come to grips with everything. And while my metal health still isnt very good, and while there is still no decent support that ive been able to find. Some property neighbors of mine decide that they would also like to turn the stress levels up even higher. Im so lost within my depression, that in the end im finally forced to need to just allow my neighbor to shoot all of the beef that have been running on my property.They do so treating it like its some kind of pleasurable fun . They shoot all my animals in a show-down that someone (whom experienced it visually themselves) later relayed to me that it seemed like he were watching some kind of slaughter that happen at the OK coral . For indeed they all laughed and jeered with joy, as they proceeded to bomb-up my animal with guns. Only stopping to slash off the best cuts of steak, pushing most of the dead animal over a bank where they were then left to rot away. These folk all already know very well for sure, about how i happen to have not even one family member whom would ever actually care to bother to come to my aid. They already know about how im pretty much completely alone, and as such very-used to having my back set against the wall
  3. These same neighbor later on also lit a fire on the back of both of our property where the boundary meets, that got so out of control, that it then burned right out over my property as well too. Destroying loads of trees and bird-life on my property as well too in the process. But im not in any mental condition , to proceed in trying to make any complaints. So once again, they will also get away of this too, Scott-free
  4. Later on after that, i find myself forced into living somewhere with people whom don’t really care about me.I’m forced to be living there because of my ongoing depression, and the effects that that has also had on my ability to earn a living. The person at this place purposely chooses to open and read some of my mail that is been marked as private and confidential , and that is been addressed to me. It has to do with sexual abuse i experienced, as a youth, while i were still living among the exclusive brethren


And so on

Now you might be wondering how some adult person would ever just allow this kind of stuff to be happening to them. Its not even like these people could bully me physically , but yet they still know how i’m very vulnerable to this kind of approach. Being that i never have no family around. They also know how i could never ever afford to allow myself to be jailed, for then i would surely stand to also lose most everything that i have struggled so hard to get

And sometimes i still even try and figure this out for myself. Best answer i can still ever think of. Is that this kind of shit has just tended to happen all too often to me within life.That in the end, these days too often now i just start to get so used to it happening, that it also begin to seem like its just the way that the “cookie crumbles” in life.And i find myself learning to how accept it. For indeed there was never anyone in my life, with whom i ever feel close-enough, to think to ever even ask any of them to please come and help me. And other alternatives i can think of always seem to lead me to consider possibility that i might just end up in some jail

Some of you might be asking, why? didn’t this fool just go to the police about this kind of stuff. Well some folks have obviously lead lives that have been very sheltered. Because so happens, that ive also had more than one personal experience, of which has involved some issues with some very crooked-police

Like i already said elsewhere on my blog before. Sometimes you begin to feel like you really dont know of anyone at all, of whom you feel like you can really actually even trust in this life

I’m happy that other ex eb have had very different experiences to what i have. I’m so happy that some ex eb first cousins on mine, have also even experienced life quite differently to me.

But then human life isn’t “cookie-cut” is it






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Code Word For Bigotry




Religious Freedom Is ‘Code Word’ for Bigotry, Christian Supremacy, US Civil Rights Commissioner Says

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Religious liberty, only exist as a figment of the theists faithful deluded imagination

Everywhere all around about us. There are loads and loads of different type of religious tyranny rampantly at work. Religious tyranny continue in all its many different shapes and sizes. With leaders of each group, imposing what level of  rules and constraints that they will wish to adhere and uphold

Most are also fear mongers whom like to warn-us people, to remember to be aware of the “slippery slope” , should “regulation” ever be allow to curb religious-liberty

As if ?

There isnt already a slippery-slope at work that were are already born into.And are forced to live with. Within the way that we human are already finding ourselves constrained ,within our right of religious liberty. By religious leaders of groups that our forebears-follow, whom are already imposing what-ever degree of “constraint” and “control” it is, that they will like to choose to try and impose

Religious liberty is an idea that is pretty much self defeating. Because the moment that we would try and totally uphold that right , is the moment that we will have also enabled the right for tyranny to also start to flourish too.

Because a slippery slope between religious-liberty and religious-tyranny will soon start to develop

Which is exactly what we are living with now

Only a bunch of deluded faithful folk could  ever remain blind enough as to still not be able to figure this all out for themselves. Folks whom have totally immersed themselves in the ritual of continuous toe-sucking that they themselves refer-to as being “religious-worship”


Those folk. Well mostly they just never even care to bother to spend much time  with actually contemplating if in fact religious liberty even actually exist. No they dont. Because they had heard their local leader “saying”  how he feels that it does-exist

And as religious leaders are believers. The deluded throng figure that the religious-leaders opinion must surely be totally trustworthy

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Stop Thinking

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Yes.Too true


And these sort of religious dumb fuckers are everywhere

So.Its very little wonder that we are forced to still struggle on with trying to live our lives within all the different forms and degree of religious tyranny. While our world is overrun by faithful morons whom have all been led to believe that we are religiously liberated

Religious liberty has been foundered on the kind of evil lies that now continue to swallow some of us up, like sinking sand

But that’s what can also be expected to happen to, if foundations of ideas are not built on rocksolid truth or facts

Faith can be very dangerous . More people should be seeing that by now

Specially if they had bothered to be thinking it through without use of bias


11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.Hebrews 11:1 (KJV)

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Sio then .Where is ? the evidence to help prove that we actually do have our religious liberty right now.

And if we know how some folk are forced to need to be living under religious tyranny rules of so many abusive-cults

Then why did the religious folk scaremonger ? in regard to warning us about “slippery slopes”

The un-thoughtful evil bastards. For they have continually led faithful folks right up the garden path.Had religious dumb fuckers a-many.Happy to be faithfully believing in bullshit


We all have payed the price of this deceit



Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.  Glatians 6:7

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But it still seems to me. That the Glatians have overlooked something important . For they overlooked the fact that some folks are also forced to reap of what some other-folk had sown

Us ex cult members,should by now have begun to be very well aware, that it was in fact some other folk whom have decided what would be sown

Religious liberty is only ever a pipe dream


Pipe dream 


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Is The Bible Holy

It’s always interesting (for me) to watch theists discussion in regard to God and whether holy books are holy.

For instance, there is this thread here that is “still” ongoing (at this moment while im writing this) on wikipeebia. It’s always so good to see this kind of discussion “be able” to take place. Because too all often, any time that any of these particular kind of discussion do start-up, soon enough, they may also tend to quickly shut. Some theists get a dose of cold feet (through fear that it might be “a subject” that one really shouldn’t dwell-on and bother oneself with so-much) Someone, such as someone like our friend Fisherman (a very genuine “well-meaning” person) may “pipe-up” and say something kinda to this-effect “i really don’t feel like i need to split hairs over such details, i tend to keep my faith real simple, and say you can’t go far wrong from keeping to the Lords 10 commandments ”

Fisherman means well. And im sure many theist will also “mean-well” too , whenever they will also “actively” saying these sorts of things. They mean well. And i know that very-likely at least one reason why they will be saying these sorts of things, is that they are worried about what these kind of “in-depth” discussion may do to some other-peoples faith

So . There reason is very well meaning. They are concerned for other-folk

But what if their concern is wrong?. What ? if their concern is in-fact helping to cause harm unto other folk. By leading them astray by coaxing people to be making the wrong decision. Exactly the very same wrong type of “advice”, that right throughout the ages (generations past) have been constantly used to bamboozle people into learning to become fearful of questioning matters of faith.Specially when it concerns any books considered as being holy-books

Considered as being holy books

For holy books, can only be considered as being holy books. Because there is no “absolutely objective” way in which for us humans can say we know for sure 100% . We would need some-God to arrive on the scene,himself, to say to us “yes ,these are in fact my words”

What? if the bible isnt in fact word of God. While Christian folk have been coaxing people to decide to believe it is word of God. Then this? would need to mean that Christians are also guilty of teaching people to choose to believe lies. Lies that have helped to cause so much harm

Of course some theist will then say,well we do have a God whom has already been here to earth and had told humans this personally. He is Jesus

But theist forget that this in fact changes little. Because there are a number of other types of holy books around too, of other faith beliefs  etc, and the-folk that actually believe those books to “be word of God” , will also make exactly the same kind of claim like Christians do

So the situation leaves all human belief within this subjective state. Often it depends mostly, on what? type of belief it is that your own parents and grandparents follow. Chances are that most children will adopt the faith of their kin

So human faith is subjective .

Which (to me) is also extra-interesting because (i feel) it means that what do theists mean, what the hell are they talking about, when we hear theist discuss the issue of “objective morals”

Theists love using this idea of “objective morals” like it some sort of “big gun” that they have for use on their side of the discussion. They say this shit (like this) to us atheist , they say as an atheist doesn’t have morals based on will of God , this then means that the atheist “becomes God” and as such the atheist can decide to do what ever they choose.

But hold on . Hold it right there . What’s? to say that the theists didn’t just do that very same thing anyway. Maybe? theist-humans from times past , decided what it would be that they wanted to accept as being moral , and then simply went ahead and took it further and just started claiming that it was in fact God whom had made these decisions

Theist.Now. Do you? begin to see where im coming from . Do you see why theist can tend to make themselves seem like pure faithful idiots, by being stupid enough to be heard making these kind of silly claim.

You folk rattle on about “objective morals” . You folk love to bash atheist over the head with this sort of rubbish. And in doing so, you have also inadvertently helped to accuse atheists of something that you-folk yourself cannot honestly claim to do any differently

Like atheist , your moral belief is built on things like philosophy . Philosophy can exist without religion. However religion is lost and worthless,if it were ever to try to even exist without philosophy

Morals are built on things like “trial and error” and “philosophy” (Social science). Both theists and atheists alike

Even your own holy books still remain as a written historic record of such practices in action . Check out your holy books. See the historic record of moral evolution in action. Moral evolution where by human opinion changed (evolved) over time of generations past from practices like bloodshed of human sacrifice and stoning children to death for talking-back to parents, to these more modern times when such practices are no longer considered to be moral .


Humans decide. Even claiming it was God, still changing nothing at all .Simply because it is still Humans, whom then still need to even decide who they think God actually is

So humans will still need to be the ones whom will need to decide anyway

So see? what complete deluded bigoted morons that theist can tend to help make themselves look, when trying to use “objective moral” as a battering ram to help enforce faith

How ? much harm have you folk helped to cause . How many atheists im the USA, have been forced to need to suffer, due to traditional bigotry of theist folk

Do you know.Sometimes an atheist such as myself, sure as hell wish there really might be some kind of “afterlife” . Cause it sure as hell dont feel (to us atheist) like we have lived within any kind of real-justice

We were born among Christians. And so then when the majority of our family decide also to remain Christian, guess what, we atheists are shunned and are looked down upon. Our lives are automatically run within the theist-rule.Even though we may leave from within the exclusive brethren cult, the cult of Christianity still continue to try to dominate and rule-over us. We will still be penalized , whenever we choose to do things that the Christian folk choose not to do

Christianity is actively involved in religious tyranny. Both inside and outside cults, the only difference is in regard to the degree of religious tyranny that is put to use .

Christian folk are so deluded, that they still scratch their heads when trying to understand why the new atheist are so angry, if the atheist dont happen to believe in God

This is how bloody ignorant , theism, can help to make a theist become. Theism seem to carpentalize their method of thought . They lose the ability to think outside the square . Their method of reasoning goes a bit like this

1 Human is lost and angry without God

2 Atheist are angry

3 Therefore atheist are angry with god


See what i mean. The dumb fucker theist already decided what they want to faithfully believe about atheist anyway, before they had even reasoned it though fairly. atheist-cartoon

They far prefer to believe that atheists are angry at God. For they hate to believe that atheist might ever have real good reason to be extremely angry at theists , for the harm that theists have continued to cause to atheist folk

So . So much for justice . So much for moral

And so then. what makes this situation even so much worse ? . What help to cement this sad nasty situation within perpetual motion of time . What? helps this problem continue on

“Well meaning” Christian folk. The simple Christian . Those folk whom have been taught, to help teach others folk not to also not bother splitting hairs . Not to question or reason to deeply in regards to matters of faith

Put bluntly. It’s the blind that are helping to lead the blind

And meanwhile we (atheist) will still continue to be forced to pay the price of this bogotry and ignorance

And while Ian Mckay has already decided that it is only the extremist theist whom are helping to cause anyone such harm . Meanwhile it is the liberal Christian folk whom will mostly just stand by in silence taking no action and are thus guilty of allowing it to continue happening

Ian is a highly educated man. But Ian is a theist educated man. As such , Ian is also a man whom is more inclined to want to sugar coat liberal religion.Seems to me Ian will do all he can to try and find some way to totally free liberal religion of any responsibility

This help to enable this problem to continue to exist

Those bad bad cults.Evidently. Rule over the whole world they do. Few stragglers of cults, are those people whom can set the destination for us all

As if liberal folk are playing no part in this continuing situation at all





Imagine if criminal law was being run in the same manner that religion is being run. Well meaning moral liberal folks would just stand back on the side line and would no no more than to continually sling insults at all the rapists, saying see how jolly bad those rapists are.See how they are so unthoughtful and choose to rape people, when they could have decided not to

Few would bother to consider the moral , of the way they themselves are not even bothered to take action to actually help stop it

Far easier. To sling insults at bad folk. And far more “religiously” pleasing for the religious “head swelling” of “liberals” to boot

Someone will pipe up and say. No one is ever caused any real harm within the Catholic Church. Obviously these people have not even bother to care to research it. For had they cared to bother, “google” can be used to soon find plenty of evidence to prove that the Catholic Church has indeed also caused a number of people harm.  The main difference being, the “degree” of harm that this particular group might have caused

Theist love to figure that governments should not ever be involved in regulation of religion. Reason being about how religious liberty is highly important.

We atheists ask .If religious liberty is so highly important. And regulation shouldn’t ever be involved within religion. So that folks are free to believe whatever they choose

Seems rather strange? that religion has any need to have thousands of domination just within Christianity alone .Folks are so liberated, that they found need to need to be separated-off into loads and loads of slightly different separate groups. Within those separate groups, the have set rules and regulations

Meanwhile theist blissfully condition themselves to believe that they are religiously liberated

Easily done. If you simply first decide exactly what it is that you would wish to be able to believe, and then make you conclusion/faith up to suit (and don’t dare bother splitting too many hairs)

Done and dusted

Besides . If governments should never get involved in regulation of religion. And if the theists faith is grounded in reason ,then how come? governments are actively involved in regulating the liberty of Christians whom would like to choose to entirely rely on prayer, to heal their own children of cancer

Christian. Drop the bullshit. Religious liberty obviously doesn’t even exist. Look around about you. Think about the way atheist have become so hated and despised within the USA, this is “religious liberation”

Liberation for? whom . Liberation ? for control freaks

All us ex eb deserve to suffer the harm of this false sense of liberty, that has been built of false foundation . We suffer along with all ex members of all the other many abusive religious groups that still exist worldwide (2016)

For indeed.People should ? be ready to also reap of that what was allowed to be sown


Evidently.Jesus himself had tried to help change aspects of religious tyranny. Jesus believed that there was indeed need for some aspects of regulation within religion.

Or what else ? explains Matthew 21:12 , John 2:15






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The Stupidity Of The Bruce Hales Designed Review

Have a good think about it

How? utterly stupid was the exclusive brethren review. (people can read more information about this “review” via this link here) When we are actually able open our eye (by removing those deeply inbred “brethren rose tinted” sunglasses), so as to look at it from this angle.

Think about the situation this way

  1. Our family having foolishly freely agreed to lock themselves away for most of their lives within a nasty utterly stupid ignorant abusive cult most widely known as the Exclusive Brethren cult .Thus themselves having already also missed out on free contact of their-own family relationships, for year upon year
  2. Then suddenly decide to arrive on our doorstep ,so as to make us an-apology  to us for the loss

Apologies to us ex eb folk ? . What? the hell for .

Why? the hell did they even feel like they really had this need, to need to come to us and bother to apologize to us, for the utter stupidity of their own loss


Sure we ex exclusive brethren have missed-out on family relationships as well too.But does it even dawn on the minds of these deluded cult followers, that they themselves have also lost-out big time too.

They lost-out the very-most .The exclusive brethren members , have lost-out way-more , than any of us ex eb did,during the reveiw. Because it is also they (“the brethren members) whom have been found out to have obviously been stupid and ignorant enough, as to have stupidly agreed to allowed this kind of shit to have even happened

A person would need to be so stupid to have freely agreed to allow it to happen.So how? fucking real-dumb are those eb folk then

Maybe those jolly dumb fuck exclusive brethren folk are still so completely oblivious as to how much they have actually unwittingly thrown-away themselves. Possibly also in big-part due to the sad sorry fact of them folk too-often also being continually plastered on too-much free flowing whiskey. Living day in and day out, pre-soaked in so-much whiskey and alcoholic slosh.So much so, that now plenty of them dumb fucks are also needing to go dry-out , in alcohol addict programs

Tee hee hee .

Next time “if” any dumb fuck cult in bred brethren family member (of mine) ever suddenly think to arrive again back on my doorstep (again), and is trying to look all “sorry” for me.

I now know exactly what i will sure as hell be armed and very ready to quickly try and remind them about

I’ll remind them about this “reality”

Look here dumb fucker.Dumb in-bred brethren cult member. Why? apologize to-me, for your- own stupid loss, in that it were you yourself whom have agreed, to decide to help uphold this rubbish separation bullshit

Cant you brethren-folk see? how completely utterly stupid you brethren folk have all unwittingly all allowed yourselves to have become

Look here. There is no need for you to apoligise to me. Cause i already feel pity and really ashamed for you

This is your loss. Not mine

What a great bunch of deluded religious morons you folk are.

But it is your own stupid fault. The writing has long been written on the wall Brethren, But sadly. You dumb fuck brethren folk, have stupidly decided to just look-away and have ignored it

Why? would anyone be so stupid as to do that . How ? could it have happened

Only some real cult in-bred dumb fucker like what exclusive brethren folk have obviously remained to be likewould ever still be so religiously-deluded, (in this day and age in this modern year 2016)  as to even still be stupid-enough, to ever think to  do such any such dumb things ,as they have allowed themselves to do. The key being they allowed themselves to follow along with this dumbfuckery

How many brethren dumb fuckers can now? see this

Talk about bloody embarrassing (in thinking about it now) . How embarrassing (for us ex eb’s) to need to think how members of ones own family ,must be religiously ignorant

Man how i feel so highly-embarrased, about my need to admit and acknowledge that factual reality.

You clowns. You silly religious clowns

Mind you the real key here, is that the brethren really dont always think everything through for themselves.Do they. Mostly they just follow Bruce around.Like playing a game of “Simon said” .Or brethren henchmen (lets face it,this phenomena can also help to explain foolishness involved in brethren election-campaigning effort “public-relation failures”

Pretty much like a huge big mob of wool-blind religious sheep


Baaa baaaaa .Baaaaaa. Bwaaaaaaaaaa … oh gee shuck’s …Now exactly where ? did you say we were all going now Brucie boy our big-shot exclusive brethren head-clown

And are we? to be publicly known as being the-exclusive brethren, or as being the-Plymouth Brethren “group” (nudge nudge,wink wink, say no more !this year? too Bruce

Such “blessings” from our good lord.. To be publicly displayed (on TV’s) as such idiots

Cough…. Hic .. Hic

Are ? we actively involved in election campaigning once again next election-time too Bruce (personal exercise of our own-decision of course) cough cough splutter .. hic hic hic … (sweet lil white-lies upheld for blessings of our-Jesus)

Anyone? around here interested in sinking yet another bottle of rrrrr risky …  oops risky..oops hic i mean wh ww whiskey hic hic .. Pa paaa prr praise Jebus !. Oh-shucks yet another wee “drunken brethren “oopsie-daisy” yet again Jebus… Jesus … (there there now that’s real easily-fixed)

Surely? .Exclusive Brethren should not need to feel any great-need to apologize (to us ex eb folk) for freely allowing themselves to continue to become so utterly stupid

Let it be known.

That although i find it personally embarrassing.To even need to admit that certain members of my own family, can have managed to have still remained so bloody ignorant

I will still not accept any personal part (myself) . In any of this religious-dumbfuckery

That is a real good feeling (for me) . Im so happy about that

No amount of time. Will ever be able to erase historic-record of this religious-dubfuckery either.Religious dumbfuckery that so many stupidly ignorant exclusive brethren folk have freely allowed themselves to have remain totally involved in .

How could anyone? be so stupid, as to allow themselves, to have remained personally-involved

Man that is real dumb

Written records of this stupidity ,will still continue to remain forever more in many years to come too

The degree of utter stupidy ,only stands to look more and more ignorantly stupid, as more and more time passes by as well

Talk about “waiting” until the hole just grows deeper and deeper

You mark my word . You stupid Exclusive Brethren folk. You watch the future. Your ignorance only stands to become more and more blatantly obvious as well too , to the general public. As more time passes by

So you have a bloody good think about that fact. You mark my word.Think about this ,even after i’m long dead and gone from this world . My thoughts will all still be recorded here, and will still remain

So hey, you best hope like hell, that Jesus actually arrives again some-time pretty soon. Thousand of years have already been and gone.Christians waiting. And waiting.And waiting

To no avail

You folk have unwittingly based your faith on books written so long ago.Books  having also been doctored and meddled-with many times more than once or twice already

Then add to that and think about how deceitful you brethren folk yourselves have often freely agreed to become involved. And then project the likelihood of that kind of willing-deceitfulness , on toward those other-theists like yourselves (of times past)too, that have most-likely also agree to get involved in the same kind of deceitful practice. In agreeing to lie about the real-truth of matters

You mark my word here on this blog Exclusive Brethren. Im more than willing to wager, that more and more future-time to come, will also continue to only help prove my suggestion

Because. Its getting less and less likely that Jesus was ever God. Or that he is ever likely to actually ever return (not in any real physical body-sense anyway)

Yet my words will still remain here on this blog. As a historic record . Helping to record information of your blatant religious-stupidity, from these times here and now

Though i die. And though my time passes by on this earth. My words will still remain, in much the same way that some written records of ancient Roman folk,do also still remain to this very day as well too. Having been historically-recorded and “frozen” in time, upon hand-carved stone-plaque

Are? you exclusive brethren folk so inbred and stupidly thick . That you really think ? you folk can try and “out-live” or let time slowly completely erase your past. And the harm you have caused

You silly fools .You need to re-educate yourselves in regards to the simple realistic fact. That that aint ever going to happen that way.

So more than likely, your terrible brethren-testimony, still only stand to grow even worse and worse, as more time go by

Time past. Has still not helped to completely erase the past action of Hitlers regime either, from written history

What makes? you think that your history will end-up looking any different

You folk must be so totally wool-blind. Brucies blind sheep brethren



I almost feel kind of really blessed. To be able to already claim to be longtime out of the brethren . And im an atheist.

You theist idiot only stand to look more and more stupid , as long as you folk remain willing to let more and more time passes by


What a bunch of bone heads





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If God is about love, he sure still manage to help to create a whole lot of hate


MUSKOGEE, Okla. (Christian Examiner) – A children’s home founded by a Baptist missionary among the Native Americans of Oklahoma just after the Civil War has taken a costly stand to honor its commitment to God.

According to a press release from the Murrow Indian Children’s Home in Muskogee, the group will not accept a large donation from a group of atheists because the atheists asked that the donation be recognized as given “In Honor of the Muskogee Atheist Community.”

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Atheist have constantly donated to theist-run charities. However atheist mostly never demanded to also have that fact publicly acknowledged ,in times past . And partly because the atheist also knew that they would then face active Christian hatred toward non-believers

Theism has been constantly steeped in all kinds of bigotry. And so should we have reason to be so-surprised ? if first nation folk can be seen to live within ongoing family dysfunction . When we also consider that the kind of love they are being fed-with , is conditional kind of love

Theists whom received charity-status and whom also enjoyed the bonus of ownership of rate-free property’s . Also proceeded to pride themselves with the thought that theists had been those people to have built far more schools and hospitals, than what any groups of atheist had ever done

As if ? this fact should some how be all that surprising to us

  1. Theist have tax exemptions and rate rebates etc. While theists constantly also proceed to demonize anyone caught publicly declaring they are an atheist (atheist are thus then forced into living in secrecy)
  2. Theist groups than naturally thrive. While atheism is forced into hiding and secracy
  3. Theist triumphantly claim the high-ground, pointing out how theists have also built more schools and hospitals than what atheist have


This is (evidently) an aspect of these theists portrayal of Gods unconditional love .

In certain places, like the USA .Many of those folks are now even becoming honest enough to now admit how their country does have problem with persecuting atheists .Atheists are pretty much hated.So much so, that theist folk within these places are “more likely” to accept that folks are gay . Than to ever accept atheists

Of course it is also somewhat unlikely to ever dawn on the theist faith-soaked-brain, that they might even have “anti-love problems” here that are still continually been taught (indoctrinated) to children, from cradle to the grave (finer details of matters)

But the overbearing problem is this. If God is mostly to do with love. Then why? the hell do theists feel that they have this need to continually make such a big-deal of God

Christians would have us believe that God is about love. Trouble is that the same theists then still cannot help themselves from also adding some conditions. Making Gods love , “conditional”

Theism is this-way bound to a natural-source of bigotry. Because theism is a statement that man isn’t to be considered good enough as a human ,if human is also without belief in God

Where as humanism (which many atheists also are) is understanding/accepting that man simply isn’t perfect.Because humanism involves very little aspects of condemnation of humanity,thus why humanism can more easily be understanding and accepting of human mistakes and imperfections. Thus making it far-easier for humanism to just try to build bridges and aim to help humanity try to do the best that it possibly can. Like , it is highly unlikely that we will ever see humanist split and splinter off into humanist sub-groups. Like Baptist humanists, Catholic humanist, Brethren humanist , etc

Humanism accepts human

So what we see here with these theists (people whom want to believe in God) is these aspects of the bigotry-problem that they automatically inherit along with their faith belief. Which leads to their endless struggle, with trying to (on one hand) pretend to be “unconditionally loving” (in the nature of God) at the very same time as they are also busily harboring these thoughts of “purity” which is directly connected to their chosen flavor of faith in God.Which as such also happen to include certain moral expectation


On wikipeebia  Fisherman has this to say



“I try to get the ESSENSE of what the bible teaches rather than getting hung up on details”

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Like as if ? the finer details dont really need to matter .


And for sure Fisherman is obviously more than comfortable with “theists” right of living their lives in this manner. But only up until such time, as they may start demanding-differently in the way that they would also seem to feel/say that perhaps those exclusive brethren should perhaps learn how to pay a little more attention, to some finer details of matters

That’s the thing with theist like Fisherman. They cannot be consistent.They think that faithful folk should pay little interest in the finer details one moment (when it happen to suit themselves), but very next moment think some-theist should some how think to bother

How that is likely to happen at the right moment. When theists are also so constantly been taught to not-bother . Your guess is as good as my guess . By? relying on devine intervention perhaps

Trouble is that theism tends to induce people into a kind of trance. We can see it with Fisherman, the man is often lost in such a faith-trance that he cannot seem to comprehend how unlikely it will be that “tranced-out” theist could ever honestly learn how to turn their faith-trance “off or on”  right at the exact moment when its really needed to happen

People drunk on religion, mostly dont tend to remain so-alert to such things . Which of course also help to explain why so many can be seen to be ignorant to sex abuse cover-ups.Or ignorant to the fact that their own-pastor is fleecing them of their own-money.Even entirely ignorant to the fact of their local priests involvement in adultery.And so on


So now we have a world literally flooded with faithful folks living exactly like Fisherman recommends. Millions of folk whom dont bother to see much sense in any real need to actually contemplate any finer details for themselves

Hense why it really should be no great surprise to any of us either, that in fact in this year 2016 there is still abusive cults a plenty in existence (why would cult members consider the finer details to be important. When it has been common theist-practice to continue to promote the idea that finer detail really only matter sometimes

I mean. Its not like theist are really so-bothered to help promote the idea that finer details should really need to actually matter

If Fisherman feel that his faith is foundered on rock. Then why? does he have any need to fear contemplation of finer details of such matters

Theists do often inadvertently openly display their own doubts. They may easily fool many theist-folk , but they still dont so-easily fool us non-faithful folk , whom happen to see how very important these finer detail can often be

Theist have need to adhere to this practice overlooking finer details. Because without maintaining this way of living,as they also can see how faith in holy books could soon disappear too, if too many more people were to suddenly start looking into too many of these finer details

Faith in God. Rely’s on followers maintaining a level of ignorance among the followers. Theist know how faith in God is doomed, once without it

Lets not forget.Keeping the “average Joe” ignorant has always been a bit of a long Christian tradition. This phenomena help to explain reasons why the Catholic church (in past times) had even made it illegal for any normal citizen to possess their own copy of the bible,so as to read for themselves

Mind you. Even those theist folk would have still been heard to crow-too, about how God was evidently still all about love

Sure. And if God is all about love then. Then why? the hell do so many men of faith constantly still see this rabid-need, to need to be constantly making such a big-deal about this God then

And if God exists. And yet still decides to remain unseen , and offers humans no  real decent evidence of his own existence. Yet still demand to punish anyone whom happen to lack faith

This is indeed a God that lay snares in which to help entrap many humans. This is a God, that act little more moral, than like what the dictator Kim Jung-Un is also like













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The Fallacy of the “20th Century Atheist Regimes”


Mike Moore1 day ago

Ban all dogmatic viewpoints? The 20th century is a century which clearly demonstrated that atheistic ideologies such as Soviet and Chinese communism chose to commit at least as much atrocity as the religious ones did.
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And seems once-again, we see exactly same thing aired,  on the very next ex brethren story too .
Quote :
Andrew Toulson12 days ago

Deaths caused by atheism far outnumbers deaths caused by religion. case in point Communist / Atheist Russia deaths estimated between 20 and 60 MILLION people.
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cloudboy12 days ago

Atheism as such wasn’t the cause of these deaths – it was the replacement of one set of dogma (religion) with another (Communism) in an attempt to control the population. Lack of belief in any gods by itself doesn’t lead to atrocities, whereas the Bible positively encourages them.
Mcp21912 days ago

Cloudboy, even if we accept those millions weren’t killed by atheism, they also weren’t killed by religion. The number of deaths attributable to religion are dwarfed by those attributable to other causes such as communism.
Also, the bible does not encourage atrocities. If it did I’d expect to see far more atrocities given the number of Christians in the world.
But i have yet to feel i have seen even one of these ex brethren whom is able to offer-up any real decent argument,so as to “explain” reasons for exactly why they should think this. Or describe how they can make these conclusion
It almost seem like perhaps many of these folk have never even stopped to consider to pay that side of matters , “all that much attention”.Even the educated ones.Yep. It’s like, why bother? to care about the finer details of such matters, when it often just feels far-easier to decide to just continue to have faith in “some things” that folk around you have always “traditionally” told ya
After all. These folks have now been pretty much “spoon fed” on this kind of stuff, from cradle unto their grave.A favorite church-mantra that is constantly passed back and forth “among” the faithful throng. It’s always been their main favorite weapon too to drag out as “proof” of exactly why atheism cannot ever be considered as being any real answer
But as you can see, after reading the quotes above, that the stumbling block soon arrives for these faithful folk .At the very moment that someone has asked them to first supply some “good reason” for their faith
It’s like they are suddenly lost for words.Especially the “educated” ones. Lost for words.Baffled by one simple request -> “an explanation of reasoning behind your faith”
I mean to say. Surely some of these type folk should ? easily be able to quickly supply us with some real good reasons as explanations for why they believe? what they believe
That would seem to be a fair-expectation of these kind of folk .
That is unless ? … Unless ? the real explanation for this kind of phenomena, is that their belief is also still actually a far more of a faith-based kind of belief
And mostly they dont even bother to ask themselves about such questions.Far more easy to just keep their biased church-bred view of with-whom atheists should be compared
Which would help explain why so many theist can tend to continually make themselves look kind of like a bunch of beached whales too. All completely lost for words, and publicly seen to be floundering about and acting completely-lost within actual good reasons for their faith.
Below, i have included two links to a couple of other people’s opinions (explained far better than i’m able to) in regards to the atheist=communist fallacy
Not that that all that many christian folk are ever likely? to still even dare allow themselves to actually really-consider any other alternative opinion. For had they bothered, (lets face it)then they might also be armed and ready to quickly be able to supply good reasons and explanations too, for all these “misguided” church-taught belief of theirs

Another thing . Notice how Christian folk are often so predictable.Like , check out the phenomena of the very same usual Christian-ly  “deleteing/excommunication” of any folks comments whom they dont even like to need to hear . You can plainly see the evidence of it on these Stuff co.Nz ex brethren stories . The same kind of “ecommunicating” kind of evidence seen also on wikipeebia as well too of late , where one ex eb is busy with trying to cut another ex eb (Fisherman) right out of the conversation . Plain old usual flavor of religious tyranny at play.

Meanwhile some of these same type ex eb folk is still busy with their shouting out to society, about how lucky they-are and how-good they now feel, to finally now be “free” from any cult-like mentalities




Sorry .But sometimes i just feel the need to really force myself, to at least make sure i can try and still see a funny side to this whole horrid sad situation

Lets face it. They surely seem to have some real gems among their throng. Dont they ?

Like .Take this one here too for another example


Quote :

Mista Reality11 days ago

God made man, not the other way round. Atheism is pure arrogance.

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Oh sure .

And yet most evidence seem to suggest that indeed in every single incidence, it is infact men that makes their own idea of God. And we see how ideas about God,can be seen to have slowly evolved alongside an evolving-mind of man too. And the holy books themselves also record prime evidence of this phenomena


We can tell this to be so .Simply by act of comparing exactly how many different man made ideas, that there is about the idea of Gods. Yes “Gods”


Not that Mista Reality , would bother? to contemplate or consider, the pretty good possibility that his own thoughts might in fact more fittingly? consist of some rather huge amounts of pure arrogance


Because lets be honest and face it Mista Reality. Fact is that any actual scientific evidence for God, is still so bloody scarce for anyone to ever actually even come by for-sure, that it still continue to remain (and even unto this year 2016) about as scarce as what rocking horse shit also is for anyone to actually  find


And know this. That this is in fact still the realistic “Reality” of this situation Mista


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Introduction To Mr Kimmy-Jung-Hales of Brethren-Korea



Quote B.D.Hales.


end quote .See more here  (quoted here under laws of free use.For news purpose and  criticism )



Head Exclusive Brethren (Kimmy-Jung-Un type-equivalent) “author” in history of a time known as the Exclusive Brethren “review”.


B.D.Hales . Chief author of a review that really wasn’t any real honest “review” after all. The review that wasn’t so “helpful” to many of us ex eb .Or so-helpful for eb members/followers either.The review seemingly designed so as to meter out even mega more amount’s of psychological pain.The review that still to this day remains as an historic-legacy of Exclusive Brethren cruelty and heartbreak.Something for all Exclusive Brethren to remain so extremely proud of . Wooo hooo . We all fucked-over our own family.We are really not the very-sharpest tool’s in the shed. Three cheers for our-Brucie !! . (What a great- leader) Everybody rise and stand and salute

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Barker points out there have been positive changes in the Brethren. About a decade ago, there was something called a “review,” where Brethren visited former members to apologize for past treatment and urge them to return to the church. The review, decreed by their Man of God, was an acknowledgement that the Brethern may have been too severe in the past.

“They had a period where they were very, very exclusive and they’ve apologized for that to many people,” Barker said.

As the legal battle played out, it became clear that not only could the U.K. Charities Commission find no public good performed by the Plymouth Brethren, it found plenty of bad.For Danylchuk in Winnipeg, this led to her first contact with her mother and siblings in the Brethren in 25 years. All they could do was talk on the phone; her family had been relocated to Montreal to shore up the congregation there.

“It really isn’t much of a relationship other than that,” she said, but she still appreciates it.

Admiraal also received an apology but then never heard from the Brethren again. Like most ex-Brethren, Admiraal felt the review was little more than a feeble one-off.


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Read-more about it on here

This the Exclusive Brethren historic legacy


Oh Lordy Lord Lord.Please Lord.Lord lead us not into temptation of ripping off the charity commission.For thine-own-sake Lord.And deliver us from this great evil of family dysfunction too .Please please please Lord,try to leave all our remaining Exclusive Brethren followers with at least a-little some sort of “loving history”,as legacy, so they may then rejoice in such wonderful memories being retained.For “our Brucies” sake Lord .Thy will be done. Amen (1 Epistle of ex eb . chapter 1. Verse 1)







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Protecting the Position – or Covering your backsides. Which is it?


Quote : the Fairfield Kid’

“But here’s the thing. Many, many people in what is now the PBCC  were horribly abused as children – generally by an older person in the church. This has scarred them for life. I know. I was one of them.  And Hales won’t even sit down, have a discussion with them, ask how he can help them to move on and offer to do something by way of retribution for these sins. Not Bruce. No- he listens to the stories of some girls who were abused in New Zealand for example, and all he can think about is getting the evil bastard who committed these crimes back into church after he finishes his jail term. He’s welcome. The girls? Who cares. “

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The Fairfield Kid is pretty correct in most of what he says there. I dont disagree with a lot of what he says in general


However it seem (to me) like the Fairfield Kid is still pretty surprised about his experience of this kind of phenomena. As if the Fairfield Kid see’s it as a phenomena that is some how alien to much of Christianity (one-loaf) . Almost like the Fairfield Kid thinks that this phenomena is something alien that one shouldnt have reason to ever-expect to ever see-happen among other groups of Christians . Other than within those groups known as “cults”

Meanwhile even the Catholic church also hasn’t seemed to react so-differently to the same-way in which these cults also choose to react too

This is reality

The Catholic Church tried to dismiss the evidence of sex abuses

And there lays the very tap-root of the real problem. The fact that very few Christian people will even care to blink an eyelid, to learn that more sex abuses are also actually been a brethren problem as well too

How is that newsworthy ?? …. pffftttttt … Get real

Most folks wont think anything much more of it. Its such “common practice” among church groups.They might read about it in their paper, then they will proceed to forget about it. Because the phenomena is become quite common

Fairfield Kid open up your eyes (completely) for once in your life son.

The sacred white lamb Christianity. Is actually a dirty scummy stinky black sheep with stinking rotten smelly dags all dragging along behind it.

The Christians in general,don’t really even care to bat an eyelid (about sex abuse) in Church, anymore that what those other brethren folk are also seen to do either. So why? expect anything anything-better of the Brethren folk

You may not like “even hearing” this being said. But that doesn’t prove that im wrong

Sad thing is. That Christians in general,

  1. would far rather have it that all the folk whom had experienced sex abuse themselves, would first all need to be those folk expected to step up and publicly expose their own experiences of sex abuse
  2. Just so long as the white lamb of Christianity were able to still remain out of the picture. Looking-sweet an innocent like it were a white lamb that had had absolutely nothing to do with the situation at hand

This is the sad state of affairs within Christianity. It is this widespread lack of empathy existing among Christianity (the one loaf)

Fairfield Kid.Those local  friends of yours down at your local Church.Would far rather have it, that every single person (like you and me)within every single harmful cult, would first need to drag all their own personal experiences of sex abuse, out into public view

Than they would ever care to step-up to make demand of our government official, that situations in general ,with regards to any religious practices, should ever need to be regulated.And investigated generally

You bet ya. Their right to hold up this faithful-idea of this so called “religious-liberty”. Religious liberty™ which has allowed for so much “liberty” within religion, that for some strange reason , people would have found? some reason to need to splinter off into thousands upon thousand of sub-Christian groups

Why would

1.folks whom are truly liberated within religion. Folks whom feel truly free within religion.

2 .ever find they would have any need, to need to schism and split off. into thousands upon thousand of sub-groups of Christian folk


Lets just be bluntly honest here Fairfield Kid . This phenomena, stinks to high-heaven of the smell of religious tyranny


Religious liberation is a bullshit mantra that only serves to please the brainwashed Christian mind.

None of us even deserve to have experienced the true love of our own families either. While this widespread problem still remain untouched

Folks will reap of what were allowed to be sown




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A plea for victims to speak out about abuse


“It takes courage to expose scandals, particularly those involving allegations of sexual abuse, which continue to be whitewashed by powerful religious organisations such as the Exclusive Brethren.Michael Bachelard (Good Weekend and Saturday Age, 18/6) is to be congratulated for holding no punches ”


Many ex eb may have also experienced some form of childhood emotional neglect as well too.Which ? wont help much with their courage -levels (for more info google – running on empty)



Think about this situation. Some folks are now not sure who they can actually trust.Have trouble bonding ,and so on


Who? should we know that we can actually trust.


When we have also learned very well through a number of our past experiences,about how even members of our own flesh and blood family, have been known to be more than happy to just  sweep sex abuse allegations, under the carpet

Thing is. Not every single ex eb family, have all been cut from exactly the same cloth.And while there are some whom will still retain enough courage.It still doesnt follow-on from that, that everyone else will also be able to feel quite exactly the same way as well too


In some instances.Emotional neglect, is  even inclined to help cause a person to want to downplay their own experiences of abuse, and any feelings of neglect that then surround it. We may tend to think more about the “feelings” and “human rights” of “our family members” of whom we feel we might have need to drag into any police investigation that we may start rolling , even more than we may care to consider our own feelings and human rights


Folks may need to look beyond the aspect of courage if they want to find real answer as to why some ex eb have still remained “resistant” to the idea of making allegations to the police.Consider the wider issues


If someone were to ask me ,what do i feel hurts me the most.

  1. My past experience of sex abuse
  2. Or the ever present feelings that come along with the knowledge that even your own flesh and blood, may have become someone whom is more than happy to turn a blind eye, and effect also help sweep evidence of sex abuse under the carpet

Its easy for me to admit that it is number two that is what actually hurts
















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