Narcissist personality disorder . People that lack conscience and empathy. Everything is usually about “making them look good” (IE: Brethren Rapid relief team charade?) and feel good. And interestingly, destructive cult leaders (like Bruce review wrecker Hales?) will usually fitthis characteristic
In other words they are narcissist
Also a similar link between most all people/members within cults
Which help explains why even our family, within the Brethren are EASILY able to act heartless . For instance, like with the Brethren sham-review phenomena = cult member narcissism
Its narcissism
Also helps explainwhy they wont be able tosee their rapid relief team , for the “hypocrite-scheme” that it is
Cunning scheme purposely devised to retain their charity status (which explain why it hadn’t happened until after charity commission had pressured the Brethren)
They are narcissist = no conscience
Poor things don’t even feel remorse when one of the family member had committed suicide
Narcissist = no conscience , no empathy, no compassion
Poor things?
Wealthy in money. But poorin conscience
Sad people
Even the way what Bruce review wrecker Hales , suggest someone should take rat poison
Quote:
GET SOME RAT POISON’
In September 2015, Bruce Hales was asked about a mentally unwell New Zealand Brethren member man who had been in contact with “opposers” – people who have left the Brethren – should be dealt with.
Bruce Hales, Sydney-based global leader of the Exclusive Brethren, pictured with his wife Jennifer.
The “opposers” in question are understood to be members of the man’s own family who have already left the Brethren.
Hales said “having links” with them was “rotten poison”, and that the poison had got into the young man, who is from New Zealand.
Despite having been told that the man was “in what would appear to be torment at times,” Hales told the meeting it would be better for him to kill himself.
“He might as well get a shot of – what’s the best thing to kill you quickly? … What’s the stuff? Cyanide? No, not cyanide,” Hales says.
“Arsenic. How do you get arsenic into you? … He’d be better to take arsenic, or go and get some rat poison or something, take a bottle of it.”
Hales then appears to contradict himself: “Now I’m not advocating him doing that but … that would be better, to finish yourself off that way [rather] than having to do with the opponents of the truth.”
Hales tells them to “send the bastard back [to New Zealand]”.
Far to small a person to ever allow himself to apologize
No conscience
Poor Brethren. They possibly don’t even realizethe direct link that their “cold hearted” attitudes have with personality disorder narcissism
Do they?
Poor things
These video would be great video, to share/show among the public, within our acts of peaceful protest
Chances are that Brethren business clientele, and the firemen who are being served by rapid relief team too , probable wont have even stopped to think about it
They wont be aware of this narcissism link ?
Wont be aware
This guy uses science to help reprogram , ex cult member who’ll leave cults with narcissist personality in-tow
I agree. Way wrong. Why are we still allowing it to generally end up in the hands of the religious organization?
Interesting point discussed at around the 10.35 min mark.It discusses the false nature of “acts of charity” as it to often still stands. In regards to puritan beliefs. The way that the religious were intending to become wealthy. But when becoming wealthy had then felt guilt. So to offset the feeling of THEIR CAPITALIST guilt. They had come up with the idea of creating charity system that would also have need to remain unprofitable. So that this gesture could ultimately then serve to resolve the religious capitalist “feelings” of guilt
In affect, guiltoffset through a cunning act
Not that religion would bother to feel any guiltabout cunning-act?
By maintaining that charity would necessarily have need to remain within unprofitable boundary. This would then help to deal to competition . Mainly the charity would mostly end up being run by religious , who’s feeling of guilt could becomereason for their motivation
A cunning plan
Not really based on feeling of “simple” kindness. Or empathy and compassion
More like a cunningly planned “get-out-of-hell free” card
However today, by now we now should know better. We should know that it doesn’t require guilt , “for human” to want to get involved in acts of charity
Many do charity. Many more of us, EX EB’S would have been more involved in charity too, if only our families hadnt been ripped to pieces. Been driven half insane through sadness and despairdue to Brethren actions
We can be sure of that
And beside, religion can act in a negative way to human ability to act charitable . Correct?
Notice how few “other-believer” (IE:non eb believer) are caring enough to bother questioning the Brethren acts of dividing families and ruining whole generation of lives. WHOLE GENERATION have been ruined. While believer, who were unaffected themselves, had stood by and done absolutely nothing to help remedy the situation
See how many millions of believers will willingly live with the lie of religious liberty,as it stands? (so called “liberty” what allows for people to become entrapped within cults and high control religious groups)
Bullshit liberty
Religion is certainly not the moon beam of essence of charitable-acts
Or even any moon-beam of whats-moral
Is it?
If anything religion is acting againstfreely charitable action. Even so far as the forces of BIGOTRY of what the faith beliefs have been helping to infiltrate our societies with as well too
Time for big changes to happen. Time that our government would also wise up. Specially now today,with the FAST approach of environmental destruction,and pollution and depletion of world resources
Bloom of homelessness
Charity should not be allowed to be mainly allocated to religion any longer. These religion are long overdue for decent competition. Humanitarian orientated competition
Overdue time that the playing field would need to be made more level
Time that well meaning humanitarian ,and atheist ,would also be provided with a way ,to enter into charity acts, without any need to go “using guilt” against Church congregation. Like the way what religion does
Proper “empathy and compassion” based acts of charity
For a change (decent charitable act, free from requirement/expectation to worship some idol-God-image)
This action, would then help to force religions, to have need to become honestly charitable
No longer could they afford to pick and choose , who they be prepared to help?. They’ll then have less option left open, to be able to decide to deny charity to ex member of their religious cults either
The day of reckoning, for religious charitable frauds, is fast approaching
Only a matter of time
Meanwhile us ex member can continue play a part. For instance we can take all kind of action, so as to help make sure that firemen are informed . Informed about the way that Brethren are picking and choosing who they act charitable towards
There are plenty of youtube video, and other media available now, which amount to masses of collected evidence, of what could even be taken out to stand as close as possible alongside rapid relief team canteens . That could then be used so as to directly help educate the firemen of exactly what type of cunning religious people, they are being fed-food by
I most certainly do intend to start doing so myself too, as soon as i feel i’m quite ready to do so, and able to get everything needed together. Van decked out with media to run a decent number youtube video loops to publicly-display the harmful experiences what were forced upon ex eb’s lives. Plenty of hand-out information pamphlets, and so on
Bruce Hales should grow so bigger balls. Admit to his failure of leading Brethren up the garden path,k due to his greed, within the farce so called Brethren review. In affect, hurting the people far more, of who he’d been pretending to want to say sorry to.
He might then at least prove to Brethren ,that he’s in fact willing to honestly admit to his own imperfection
In stead of STILL remaining way to gutless
Brethren business may stand to be the ones to lose out most of all?. Once we start traveling the country,with a road show van equipped to display evidence of harm caused by Brethren to so many ex member, and parking it out alongside as close as is legally possible to their businesses
So as to HELP bring our own “hikoi protest” VERY VERY PUBLIC
this should at least serve to make it harder for Firemen to swallow the food for so-called “rapid relief team” (one which isn’t been rapid at relief of families of what they are quietly well-known to have ruined. Plenty of “doctors records” compiled throughout the years, to even help support this claim too)
If i were a-Brethren, i wouldn’t bother to become complacent? . I certainly wouldn’t bother to be thinking that the truth had “failed” to surface
No way
If i were a-Brethren,i feel id be considering that perhaps there are certain ex eb’s who have been patiently holding back, so far, due to their empathy and compassion
Be also wondering if perhaps this is now beginning to wear a bit thin
The Problem With Our Society – Gabor Mate (Toxic Culture)
Listen through the video above, and then apply it , to thinking about what kind of healthHAZARDaffect it would have on Brethren and ex Brethren’s QUALITY of health
Below is a few comments of ex eb experiences. For reference
Note: these one quoted below, are merely likethe tip of the iceberg (so to speak)
In other words
There are miles more very similar stories, too, than so far remain untold, of similar experiences, what happened to plenty of others as well
My own ex eb sister and brother in law being one of these story. Having given birth to a child of what was born with a rare disease know as maple syrup urine disease
Note: this disease is genetically driven. It first require both parent would both need to inherit certain genetic (or otherwise this disease wont happen to babies what are born)
When the child was born to my sister and brother in law, not long after they left the eb and were withdrawn from and had therefore been then promptly treated as if they’d already both died .
Some local eb ,quite likely some member of Brethren hierarchy had then implied that this was Gods “way” of punishing them (IE: the parents)
When this child died later on when aged 4 1/2. After the childs heart gave up,through falling sick often. And perhaps partly due to hospital staff being slow to listen to the child’s parent pleas, for prompt action, to admit to hospital
This sister and brother in law, were to have not even one grandparent , available, there to help support them, not even at the graveside either?
Only for reason because of how all their grandparenthad remained within confines of the Brethren cult
Brethren are sick people. Due to hierarchy’s Greed, sadly most ALL BRETHREN CONGREGATION have become void oftruecompassion or empathy
Considering how true CHARITY will generally be expected to be seen to start among family
They pretend to be charitable. Sure they do. So as to fool the citizen ,through love bombing . IE” so called “Rapid relief team”
Yet they’ll show no rapid relief ,to loads of ex cult member, whom their CULT, has HARMEDtremendously?
Their kind of “so called charity” is more of an act
Compassion and empathy both are usually expected to need start at home, among family. Specially-so, to family whom have been harmed?
The greedy non eb citizen may quite possibly accept it (IE: the ritz-charade), being that Brethren are also offering “business options”, of what other people “without charity connection” status may have less hope to ever offer them?.
Or perhaps those whom are easily fooled into believing Brethren’s claim to “being compassionate” charitable people
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Miriam Field-DavidsonI was so brainwashed, I thought God would hurt one of my children if I left. That was the god I learned in the pbs. A vindictive, angry despot who I better love …or else
Jilly MoxhamSandie Inkson about the cruelest thing someone can say to someone who’s heartache and loss of their child is at its rawest. Compassion and empathy in the EB Hierachy impossible. That is the sort of comment that never fails to enrage me.
Miriam Field-DavidsonOh Sandie Inkson, I am so sorry for the crassness and cruelty of those people. How horrible. How dare any of them spout verses about love, they are the antithesis of love.
Jenni McdougallSandie Inkson I’m sorry for your pain I too was told if I left the brethren that I would have a life of sorry and handicapped children if I married outside the cult
I had a son Ben with Cystic Fibrosis and a son Kyle with leukemia
Ben died at 18
It’s a horrendously emotional trauma that never leaves you
My heart to yours
Deb GhinnHugs Sandie. Every time I hear what they did, my heart goes out to you all over again. These were ‘our’ people, and it utterly makes me cringe. (Sandie & I come from the same NZ ‘locality’ as the peebs call it.) 💞
Jenni McdougallSandie Inkson thank you
It’s not the natural order of things to bury your children
Grief is overwhelming and without family and friends becomes even more unbearable The unchristian attitude of the brethren in laying blame and preaching fear isemotional abuse
If any one else did this it would be unacceptable
What the hell are our governments thinking when they allowed these groups free rein, as like what they do, that would then act EXTREMELY HARMFUL to human health and safety?
What happen to our Governments RESPONSIBILITY for human RIGHT of health and safety ?
Ex cult member, from all different cults, worldwide, should be acting in solidarity in holding all the governments accountable, for their irresponsible ways
One way to help make our government learn from their irresponsible act, in allowing this harm to occur to human health and safety
Is to take action in suing the Governments
That’s what should be happening
Let the government allow harmful cults and high control groups. Fair enough. Their choice. Let them act stupidly in handing out charity status to them to
But then lets act to hold our government responsible for their irresponsible act. Hold the governments TOTALLY responsible for their disregard for human right to decent health and safety
Sue the government for so much money, that they’ll learn to think twice , about allowing this to happen?
This is the answer
Doing this, will help to sort out problems with many harmful groups worldwide
You might say, it would be kind of like (the saying)killing a fair number of birds, by use of only the one stone
Governments are the ones, who have BEEN WILLING to put capitalism beforehealth and safety of human
Haven’t they?
Even their GREED, came before compassion and empathy too. In this sense, both culkt vmember and politician are simlar. Their compassion and empathy, is been far too easily overcome by Government Greed for wealth of its citizen “in money terms“ rather than in terms of the citizen HUMAN RIGHT to decent health and happiness
Correct?
Little wonder then, society today, STILL lack to see quite enough compassion and empathy, abounding, as yet too?
People who are supposed to be ACTING LIKE the leading light of grace and harmony and kindness and empathy and compassion, within our societies
Are STILL receiving CHARITY STATUS
Right at this moment
For their ability to cause extreme harm unto certain people whom were UNLUCKY enough ,to need to be born within this evil religious-based source of SOCIAL destruction
At present, sometimes they (our government politician) wont even CARE to cover people for brain trauma injury, through ACC (many times caused by the same destructive group,who’ll still receive charity status)
They refuse to cover brain trauma injury
But yet they will CONTINUE to support harmful cults,of what cause brain injury, such as C-PTSD , by issuing these harmful groups with charity status
WTF?
This is like the most ultimate insult to ALL those citizen dealing with brain injury
Correct?
This need to change. We need to march on our governments door steps of Parliament building, come next election time, if need be
Ex cult member, of ALL different groups, could combine-together to create their own largehīkoi
To
March on parliament building doorsteps
Lets then see , Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern and Hon Winston Raymond Peters, try to explain their bullshit claptrap crap about the idea of New Zealander ALL being like “one people”
As if, as if we are?
As if all New Zealander are struggling against harmful ongoing affect of brain injury, caused by cults, of what Government then refuse to cover, through ACC
As if?
What a lie
A lie told to our world, as if it were TRUTH
Shame on them
Ex cult member MAY SOON need to take a card out of the Maori activism way of MAKING SURE of getting themselves heard ?
Organize combined effort hīkoi ,of ex member of all different high-control groups, of whom have been affected through HEALTH AND SAFETY
NO politician should ever deserve to retain their positions in GOVERNMENT. Should they dare turn a blind eye, “to bad” health and safety policy
Correct?
We now already have, BACKING of more than enough scientific evidence to prove the harm. To prove how unsafe this situation is
Why are we not suing governments big time already?
Best thing that ex member of all the different cult/high control groups could do for themselves
Would be to organize together, AS ONE , and then take COMBINED ACTION against government irresponsible disregard of their citizen health and safety
Never mind trying to talk SENSE to cult congregation
Don’t waste our breathe ?
Lets sink the whole “cult-fleet“, IN ONE single BLOW, by taking combined highly organized action against our governments
Tha’ts how we could QUICKLY fix things for all people
Its them GOVERNMENT that need to be held ultimately responsiblefor all this harm what has been allowed to unfold, through badly thought out Government policy, of which were irresponsible, considering the total disregard of citizen right to proper decenthealth and safety
Correct?
It happen this way because the government
They have put capitalismGREED first, before consideration of the citizen right to have decent health and safety
Therefore
Governments should pay huge compensation
Same way what businesses would also be held to account for such irresponsible act
Ex eb’s will even duck and dive around responsibility too.Pious Christian are the very most worst at doing it as well.
All of our own suffering might have been avoided but for these non eb, pious foolish people ,who’ll not care to take the action, of whats been LONG needed for many generations past already now
If i were them. And truly believed in existence of a God. I really wouldn’t want to be one them, that’s for real
Certainly wouldn’t want to be
I wont say too much more. You cant talk sense to senseless foolish people?
But i’ll say this
Imagine if human, were to pretend, that for human to truly have freedom/liberty of life
Then this would necessarily require of us, that we would leave things “up to human groups” of what might evolve, to be able to make their own decision, about how they’ll live and what they’ll decide to do
Imagine the complete uncontrollable chaos of like what some of our lives might be existing like now?. Why would rape of a wife be considered as wrong?. Violence toward women and children?. Or why would drunk driving be wrong? . And so on
We could use the same usual TRITE POMPOUS claim ,of like what cunning MANIPULATIVE theist have constantly too often used, for many generation already now
We could propose the question below
Who among us should have the right to judge then?
Which is the same crap clap-trap bullshit “slippery slope” sophistry
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Debi CrockerIlona Hughes Lyons I think there needs to be some legislative standard set. After all, a pub can’t claim to be a retail shop and open early so why should any church be allowed to claim it is christian if in fact, it is not?
end quote (my bold)
Valid question being put forward by Debi Crocker
Same old shit though, isn’t it, with they way what everyone turn a blind eye to these important question. Promptlypretending as if they hadn’t even seen sign of it being put-forward for discussion
Usual tactic
Far easier for so called “simple Christian” pious bunch, to use the cults and high control groups as scapegoats for their own disregard of their own responsibility
Isn’t it?
At the end of the day, if a-God exist, then this God will also know exactly who these so called “pious simple christian” people all are. The ones who have CONSTANTLY ducked and dived around this question concerning very root problem,with regard to TRUTH of OUR right of religious liberty
Meaning that due to this evil cunning “use of” sophistry, this then led on to the very “making” of MANY EXTREMELY harmful cults and high control religious group,worldwide, including the group as like what the high control Brethren groups are become like now
The onus will still rest on them CUNNING MANIPULATIVE THEIST folk. Pompous ones claiming to be pious Christian blah blah blah, wont stand for much reward in a-Gods eye?
In thinking themselves “the humble ones”, they likely managed to have fooled themselves, big time?
When government need “to hear” their support, so as to help bring forth change. It is the pious believers who’ll ALL then ” scurry-away” and hide and will have remained mostsilentof all people
So therefore they even remain ultimatelymost responsible of all too, for suicides and extreme suffering ALL OF what has in this way been allowed to go unchecked
Whats more, they’ll very likely also remain responsible too, for not BOTHERING to help to kick the butts of so many other so called humbled pious foolish congregation Christian folk, into action
Never mind, the constant ass licking style sermon, like constantly relayed in their churches each week. Designed to brown nose God
They should be cautioning the congregations?
Worldwide
About getting their act together. To BEGIN to repair their FOOLISH lack of concern
I’m glad not to be a member among these groups. I feel blessed. My conscience feels at ease
Wonderful feeling. To know how ive been released from this HUGE responsibly
My only responsibility now is to try my best to help warn these people
Certain environmental circumstances of life pushed me to learn how to embrace loneliness. It was rough going. Im not interested in sugar coating it. But then many things that are worthwhile in the long term. Will also require people to learn resilience along the way as well
I relate to many things said within this video. Even the need for our authenticity. This is been tough to hold on to. Because, with being of a fairly strongly empathetic personality, then you’ll try, for some time, to find a way to please everyone?
Interesting, for me, to note how the lady in the video talk about “the universe inviting you”. That idea spoken about there, is about, the idea that, the present “state of our environment”, would be placing certain “tough to handle” things in front of our own paths we tread in our life, as a way what to also help guide and direct us to what to help do something, so as to try to remedy this situation,of what we will have learned though our own experience, already, is acting to make life tough going for some people. Most likely way more people, than just only ourselves. Which in turn, can, sometimes help to grow our feeling of empathy
Upon knowing this ourselves, in very clear way, we then can have gained an insight, ourselves, of what other people might not have any way themselves ,to ever learn anything about for themselves. Due to their own pathway, in life, being so different (perhaps easier?) than what our own pathway, has been
Here again, this is the phenomena, what people can sometimes be heard to describe as being like “the school of hard knocks”
People that can hang-in there long enough, and struggle on through the rocky road, then they may some day have a chance to gain practical qualification , of the type what in the main part, cannot ever be taught to people who are the so called “luckier ones” in life, who instead may only get the usual “university type” education degree, and so forth
As people who’d been through the school of hard knocks.Though it might need to be a huge long struggle. Once we finally come out the other side of this struggle. We will then start to see all kind of “wonderful options” of what then finally begin to suddenly open up for ourselves
We may find it so much easier, ourselves, to clearly SENSE and understand things to do with the likes of “social sciences”. And suchlike
Someone who’d easily understand exactly what it is im describing here (in my own very unconventional way) would be Gabor Maté
My ongoing struggle, right now at this present moment in time, is to find a way how, to not offend the learned “conventionally taught educated”type peoples feelings too badly, all of who’d been through the standard university style way of learning. For some of these people can have very fragile ego?. Just saying
Its not my intention to make enemy. I’m an inclusive person at heart. I love everyone, (Even people who’d turned bad,due to experiences of environment aspect of their life pathway). I still do value their-own traditional style knowledge . How to still make this clear,while retaining my own authenticity as well at the same time, is what i’m working on presently right now.
This is the stage what i’m personally at right now. And again, for the most part, i’m needing torevert back to making use of my own knowledge, all of what were ONLY learned via school of hard knocks. So, its still fraught with certain pit falls and danger .
What doesn’t kill us. Can stand to continue to help make us, even more resilient, and stronger, and hopefully perhaps slightly wiser?
I can joke and laugh about it. But only because this has ALSO often needed to be my own-way of survival mechanism too. I’ve learned to laugh even when i’d been rather wishing like i wasn’t living anymore. But being an empathetic inclined person personality, naturally so due to certain rough life experiences, never could i think to take my own life. No way. Never. Being that i also known (through my own experience as well, of my siblings past effort, to try doing so to themselves) how this would only then in affect, go on to cause “hurt and pain unto other people” too, who know-me and who like me. I have good people in my life, even if not my own flesh and blood relation, who’d learn about it through the grape vine, and then perhaps be “beating themselves” up about it, in worrying about whether they perhaps “should have” been doing stuff to help. I certainly don’t want this, as i’m actually totally thankful enough already, to all these amazing caring kind wonderful people, of OUR WORLD
Whakawhetai to you people
Sadly the school of hard knocks can take up to 40+ , to finally get close to your final day of graduation , haaa hee hee . Perhaps you never quite finish learning either?. And chances are, you’ll certainly not even ever receive any fancy piece of paper, in which to “proudly” display up there on your wall either , hee heeeee
Shit happens
No biggy as truth is, i couldn’t care less about this small detail. I still wouldn’t have my life run any other way, now i know, about, all what ive learned?. Although , perhaps it might have been nice, sometimes, to have family who’d support and to work alongside me?. But then, maybe then i’d get to miss outon ability of learning all the many vital finer detail, of struggling and frustration and so many important unconventional-detail and so on
So all in all
I’m very thankful for everything now (even Brethren for being the assholes like what they are, too?. Yes i think so)
Whakawhetai to you universe
And
Whakawhetai to you too mother earth
Whakawhetai to Brethren assholes too
PS: special thanks too, to Bruce Hales Almighty review Wrecker. Cheers m8. Hope you can be feeling real-wonderful, today now, about yourself now too?
“Nice one Brucie”, i can now see how you did extremely well by me, taking-up your own valuable time, to be so kind and caring, in your own bumbling messy way to think to teach me about EXACTLY who you are?.Wow truly wonderful thing. Im feeling so grateful now. And to think how, i might otherwise never ever have been able to learn these things, without you caring to be so carefully thoughtful, and through with your own expert way in teaching-me these finer details, of our life’s lessons. To you too Brucie Hales, Whakawhetai to you e’ho
Interestingly to note, that in your own messy unconventional bumbling way,Brucie, you are actually in fact, an activeforce for good,in your own right?. Wow wow.Who would have even guessed this might be so?
Without closer retrospection
You teach us what is extremely bad to happen to people lives. Teach us all about whats highly detrimental to peoples mental health and well being and so on.So our whole world can then gain knowledge, ourselves, as to why certain aspect of our environment, should have VALID reason to have need to change
You are a little bit like the master teacher?. Sort of act little bit similar to like the Brethren equivalent of a “Jackie Chan drunken style “martial artists way?
Lucky for you too huh Brucie?, Brethren folk all very very very experienced “whisky drinker”, all very very very experienced, bumbling-fighter too . All show lot “of spirit” as well , very very extremely drunken bumbling “style of spirit”
Even some Brethren children, also learn Brethren whiskey drink, “drunken style”, fight plan too?. Complete with swearing highly masterful fight-plan of calling people “cunt” and so forth, and any other outright abuse of people who’d dare to counter?. Brethren can most surely expect to become “all very Zen-like” with their drunken style, master fight plan?
Truly amazing to watch
Absolutely anything beats fear of needing to humble oneself enough publicly and admit to wrongdoing, or perhaps begin to honestly act so to in some way compensate people who been mistreated bad ?
Very very masterful plan
Ka pai
Its always been my real pleasure sparring with you
Perhaps something might sound something kind of slightly familiar to some ?
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Yyyouw never ad it like dis hic ahhhh hee hee haaaa “son of a bitch” haaaaaa “bastards” haaaaa “stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp ” hic weeeeeheeee haaa hic haa heee hee haaaaaa
Ahhhh taught tee taww tee puddy cat , heee haaa hee he tewww plurry pissed at tee time tuu even know? haaaa hee hee hic haaa
Yyyouw there George ? hic hic haaa yyyouw aaalways asleep at meetings aall the time George? haaa hee hee ahaaaa … Yyyouw tuuu plurry pissed all the time on de whisky tu ahh yee George? aaahaaa hee hic haaaaa hee heee
Seems there is a concerted effort to entice ex EB to ‘come back’. Now I think mending fences is welcome under any pretext, but the EB seem to actualy think they have something to offer …friend of mind ran into an old acquaintance he hadn’t talked to for nearly 50 years, but this time,rather than scuttling out of the way and pretending he hadn’t seen him,this time the EB came up, glad handed him and professed great delight in seeing him and told him ‘they missed him’..made the pitch to ‘come back’ to the assembly…freind asks, well that’s nice,what have you got to offer? ‘Big meeting-Lots of people’ ( maybe 150,when the interchange swells numbers) ‘Good business opportunities’ (freind says ‘got more business than I can handle now ,but it would have been nice a few years ago when I was struggling to raise a family ) ‘you can make a lot of money’ (thanks , got enough already ) friend says, ‘hey,thanks for the offer anyway, great to meet you again,why don’t we get together and have a beer at my place? Bring the wife and kids for a barbeque and we‘ll catch up’
‘oh,sorry-can’t do that…( little embarrassed laugh) ‘you know the rules’…
Friend says ‘yah,I do,why would I want to come back to that?you‘ve got nothing I need or want – got a good church we go to and we’re happy there,they preach the gospel and have good bible studies,my kids go on mission trips … nice seeing you though’ and the offer to drop over for a beer is good anytime
and that pretty well sums it up,the ‘lord may have turned another corner‘ but EB have nothing we need or want…business connections? ,join the local Chamber of Commerce,’ they don’t pretend to be a church ,no strings attached and you don’t have to ‘give a gift’….have a nice day!
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Same old same old, “putting on an act” , and pretending to be genuine
But is used, instead, as a tool for purpose to suck folk in so as to fool people (which also explains why so called said “rapid Relief”, had only began after the charity commission “began questioning”how worthy Brethren actually were of charity status?).
Considering the long list of detrimental harm, what they’d continually caused, unto so many. Including all those, who’d not been able to cope with it anymore
Because charity will usually supposed to begin “at home” among family and loved ones, correct?
It obviously isn’t TRUE love, OR COMPASSION ,when you despise people ENOUGH , (not in your religious-club), that you wont even AGREE to simply share a meal together with them. But instead … go so far as to “proudly” (in un-humble puffed-uphorridly self-righteous attitude) turn down their freely forthcoming charitable offer , to share a meal together
See so that’s also how we will be able togauge the authenticity of claim of being-charitable people ?
Evidently God like the humble lowly, The friendly kind people who’ll happily offer to share a meal, even
That’s mighty attractive too ?
I find it easy, even as an atheist, to see how i still share some common ground with those people . I love them, this world need far more of them. Help to make OUR world become a far better place. For indeed they still remain as a force for good in OUR world
We are being provide evidence (from a-God perhaps, who knows?) to help us gaugetruth of matters
Because
If in fact Brethren were HONESTLY CHARITABLE people. At heart. Then they also wouldn’t mind one bit, to publicly admit totheir acts in causing a whole lot of people a whole load of extreme harm
Plus
They would NATURALLY also gladly accept outsider freely forthcoming , compassionate humble charitable offer … to share
Correct?
As that’s what humble kind thoughtful people will happily do.
Bruce Hales Almighty Boo Boo , inwardly, will already know how he had in fact allowed his own GREED for financial gain . To ruin ALL the Brethren’s review experience. For all the many eb and ex ebs who we ALL sucked-in and fooled into believing Brethren’s intention were pure and motivated by true remorse for all the immense amount of harm of what they already HAVE caused to so many. For all the lives of what they helped to ruin
They went and “broke “so many of us ex eb’s hearts (including my own heart), ONCE OVER AGAIN, within the time of that bullshit trumped up charade of a review, of what they put-on,to fool us ?
They broke our hearts
But only
Because, we still actually DO have a pure heart
That’s why (and we wont need to be apologizing, to anyone, for having a pure heart ?)
Surely not
No need to?
However, sadly
Chances are, we will never be able to break the heart of those lost-people, who would seem to have ceased to have A HEART?
Wont happen
Wont
Sadly seems they non longer have a heart (definitely not a pure heart anyway)
They lost any ability to have HONESTcompassion and empathy,for others, outside of their Christian cult-club
Poor things?
Sad….. Terribly sad
A man can even have all the money in the whole wide world. And yet remain very POOR OF HEART
Correct?
This is a sad state to be
Where is any written and public acknowledgment to harm caused?
There is none . None what’s worthy of mentioning , so far as yet, anyway
As that would really require Brethren to act behumble?
I feel there’s a message here for Brethren. Even their rapid relief team is part of this message within this here video?
Their “we are persecuted misunderstood Christian” line of attack
It needn’t be this way?
Many ex eb wonder why i havent been to the law about my own detrimental experience among Exclusive Brethren. Reason is, i have understanding of Brethren with regard of reason why they are who they have become. They chose to be this way. Even although they had the right, to refuse, to accept the road they have taken.
Yet generally speaking, it were a mistake made through falling victim to misguided teaching
I have empathy and compassion in this regard
Whats more, they still have an option open to them all, to begin today to change their road, at any moment. But only they themselves can choose this
Its certainly not an easy road to choose. I know this through experience. Its even harder road too, when you are someone walking the road alone in life. Someone who wont have one flesh and blood brother who’ll be there to care to help cover you, like if perhaps for some reason you may become unavailable to keep an important meeting that’s been preset to happen at a certain given time and place. You’ll have no body to care for you, to back you up, to stand by you and let other people know that you are in fact honest and trustworthy person. You’ll have absolutely nobody to help you. Whats worst of all, there may even be other well meaning ex ebs , who’ll set about with back stabbing you too, behind the scene
But shit happens. Nobody ever promised you that your life would be like a bed of sweet smelling roses. Did they?
But this is life. This is life without sugar coating the situation
Through empathy, and through experience of my own failure. I’m able to better understand Brethren’s ways as well
Together we might have all been able to do so much more to HELP make our world a better place. This is what saddens me. However, i wont let this stop me from continuing on. I have little regrets, because even although the road ive trodden alone has been fraught with many pitfalls. Overall , its still been rewarding. I’ve learned so much about the so called “worldly” people. So many wonderful things. So many heart changing things. And the pay off is this, even at this very moment right now, should i ever need it, there are homes all around New Zealand where all i’d need to do is to arrive on the peoples door step, and i’d be promptly welcomed in, like as if i’m just another one of the whanau (extended family)
Human share same genes.We are one people in this regard.
Color of skin is merely skin deep
I never could have been able to have learned these things, ever, if in fact i’d chosen to remain among Brethren. It wouldn’t be possible. As i would of remain a bigot. A complete bigot, who’ll believe that “goodness” can only ever exist among Brethren
So,therefore there is been a huge silver lining to these struggle.And thinking back about these struggles now, i now realize how i actually wouldn’t want to change a thing
Call me and optimist. Call me a dreamer. Call me any name you’d like. I don’t mind. The thing is, i’ll expect that i might have been called worse names already. Because, there are people, who’ll spy our weaknesses. They’ll soon see how little “back up” we are forced to live with. They’ll take advantage of our own inability to get close to people, all the things of what we were cursed with since we were born within Brethren
Even so. I now see why i wouldn’t want to change a thing. Because i can see how this has benefited myself, to help teach me, the way in which so many other human may also struggle themselves too, with these very same things as well
Therefore i now consider myself to be very lucky
Brethren can have all the same options available too?. The same options ALWAYS remain open for every human being on earth
Compassion and empathy has served me very well throughout my life. It allowed me to understand others better. In return, all in all generally speaking ,the same value were then shown to me reciprocally
I would urge Brethren to reconsider accepting this truly most wonderful gift of life. Brethren have a great chance STILL awaiting them, to be able to become a huge driving force for HELPERS of good, within our world today
The blood of all who have committed suicide, cries out in hope that the Brethren would CHOOSE to do this now. So that the blood of our loved ones, who have passed away, then needed have been shed for nothing
All these people who’s historic experience of suffering, is compiled and retained , see here below
Ilona Hughes Lyons
20 hrs
Seriously?? You brethren are a bunch of asshole pricks. Sit and watch our house til we leave for Jerrys truck in the morning then sit and watch us say goodbye then start in on how much grace you’ve shown us?? And how you need to keep the Lords Assembly pure? What about all those in there that are ACTIVELY doing drugs, abusing their wives and kids, committing adultery, alcoholics, there’s lots who DONT EVEN BELIEVE!! what about all the adults who provide alcohol to minors? Oh but we are the UNPURE ones because we chose to go to a different Church. Ok 👌🏻 oh and they don’t want to talk to us if our pastor is there 🤣🤣🤣🤣 says a lot. 🙄. Did you not have the balls to come to our house? Or call us on the phone? Slime Balls. I hope the communities around here know the damage you cause among loving families.
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Pure?
Pure?
Pffffffffttttttttt !!
Bout only thing pure about Brethren folk, is the pure bullshit they tend to speak. about so called “ambush’ with James Taylor Jr’s dirty minded antics
Oh well . Poor things simply don’t know much better
Do they?
All good though. Let them put the unsocial attitude on display. Try to get a video of the situation next time. Hand it in to police?
Or even better the TV new media outlets
Don’t let it worry you though. Hell you folk are the WONDERFUL staunch strong resilient gutsy lucky ones anyway. The people with enough GUTS to leave?
Congratulations from us ex ebs in New Zealand … kia kaha !
We all think you’s are real-choice people .
Salt of the earth type
Don’t forget , the Brethren youth don’t have anything so-much better to spend their time doing anyway?. Childish things can sometimes help keep broadnarrow minded people well occupied.
Or what?
Its about the best experience of “so called great fun” that they might even think to come up with doing?
That’s how horridly sad things are
Even when they’ve become adults
They STILL know no better. It amount to gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one’s idealized self image and attributes
Their “peer” ole Bruce Hales Almighty Boo Boo (who’d been and totallyblown the Brethren review for EVERYONEINVOLVED due to beingremainingovercome by his own Greed) , has helped to pave the way for the Brethren Youth to have this ongoing need to remain socially backward
Interesting point around 44min mark. Seems to more or less suggest things along the line of discussion,to point out enlightenment is kind of something what’s “intrinsically“connected to our existence.
Things like caring about each other and working together, have helped human to continue to exist. Without it, perhaps human might have become extinct
I feel Jordan Peterson try to argue that religion is not STILL a form of tribalism.
I’d disagree.
I see religion as still being about as tribal as what any other forms of tribalism also are/were like. But believers are easily convinced otherwise, and feel that religion is not “at all” tribal. Perhaps because the idea seem like it would be wonderful. Therefore its also something that people may prefer to believe
However, perhaps we only need to read bible scripture, to note how even there within bible scripture evidence of tribalism still exist,when we note it suggests how it would “wrong for a believer to take another believer to court”, but yet “is considered as quite ok” for believer to take a non believer to court,for us to see sign of blatant tribalism. Or we would only need to watch believers promptlywithdraw from discussion being shared between people of different beliefs. To note how strong the tribalism mentality often still remain within religion
Religion doesn’t do away with tribalism
To me, this video seem to delve into human interconnections.Totally interesting video. We human seem to rather to see ourselves as not being so interconnected. Perhaps , for many generation , the vast size of ocean had help to convince us of human separation. Or the large size of wall of what we built, had then been able to convince us of a sense of separation/safety
Not so much now anymore
Today the ocean seem smaller. No ocean is ever able to protect us, or stand as “point of separation” between us all, of like what it had once previously “appeared” to be able to be
Even high walls, today, are less able to form decent form of substantial separation. Human will even create way, today, to circumnavigate wall
A side note, does anyone know if Jordan does the voice over for Kermit the frog?
Cross the Rubicon is a guy on youtube who seem, to me, to be highly angry about Islamist. All Islamist , so it seems (not just certain ones, like the ones who might choose to cause trouble)
All people who have been hurt in some way, by one religion or another, can react in this way . I’d need to include myself . To be honest
If we don’t watch out, we can end up painting everyone involved,with the same brush?. Perhaps because its easier. Seems simpler.
Cross the Rubicon, to me, seems intent on blaming the whole problem, on Islamist alone.
Many would want to lay all blame for development of this situation,on Islamist alone. And yet, at the end of the day, these issues are ALSO occurring due to traditional pretense of religious liberty
Pretense of religious liberty is the root problem
Very few people will ever be bother to “be all up in arms and upset” and become highly Brethren-phobic over draconian affect of Exclusive Brethren law. Will they
Correct?
Next to nobody will ever bother to turn Gloriavale-phobic.Over draconian affect of Gloviavale law either. Will they. They wont bother to. It wont concern most people. Mostly they wont care less. Not their own problem, unless some of their own family is confined within the cult
Correct?
Yeah nah. It very likely wont ever happen. Because peoples bias will enter the fray
Or what else explain it?
Anyone who argue that “oh but those Islamist are worse” . Or what ever. Is simply looking to find some kind of scapegoat
Correct?
Fighting the school yard type battle (oh but Johhny was worse than what i ever am. So therefore that make my own action, just fine and dandy. So lets all just pick on Johnny alone). That’s how the school-yard squabble will work?
Bias rule
Perhaps
Because its easier. Because it suit their bias. Because they really are not that interested in justice. Or fairness . Or in actually dealing to the real root issue
I can agree
One can argue, that people can deserve what they get
So long as people remain intent on pretending that religious liberty may exist. When it doesn’t.
Simply because, as soon as it does, then soon enough there will alwaysALSO be some particular groups who’ll then be intent on deciding to abuse it
Then indeed, one can argue, that people may deserve what they get
No two ways about
Sad thing that it seems Cross the Rubicon has chosen to overlook the root problem
My guess is that cults can help to breed a type of individualistic culture . Due to the “us verses them” mentality . But then even religion , no matter what type or flavor it is, can also STILL do likewise as well too, as it will also STILL help to propagate an “us verses them” dictate . IE: “believer verses non-believer” mentality. Or even to extent ,that “its thought ok to take a non-believer to court, however it would be wrong to take another believer to court” = an “us verses them” mentality
This whole mentality STILL breeds the individualistic BIGOTED way of living existence
Doesn’t it?
I suspect
Religion, and especially Christianity is been like “a moonbeam” to help create a narcissistic epidemic
Jesus might in fact have actually sort to free human from this tendency
But meanwhile, Christian GENERALLY have ALL sort to CONTINUE to turn it into a problem of epidemic proportion
Even the so called “real” Christian, the ones who love to sit around and point their fingers at others, blaming the other alone for all these problem that have transpired
Are all been PASSIVELY acting as the enablers
How so?
Simply by living with the lie of so called religious liberty. Of what isn’t been truthfully any kind of liberty. Being that children, WORLDWIDE, are still being herded and forced into belief in God
It is the pious so called “simple christian” MAJORITY , who still enable it to continue to occur
So , how does our society then generally deal with the outcome, “the product” of this irresponsible way
How?
This video below pretty much describes how they generally will choose to deal with it
We have a society of whats ordered in such a way as to help to produce narcissism in epidemic proportion
What do human then choose as the cure?
They pretty much demonize “the product” . A product of what also STILL continue to increase .
And of course, being that high jobs are also generally offered only/mainly to people who excel at the art of passing exams.
There is ALSO next to no hope at all that ANY people within top jobs, will ever be inclined to be using intuition
We might just as well “be straight-up” enough, and say.Our world is being-constantly-run by a bunch of highly intelligent educated dumb-fucks
Basically?
I was always like the black sheep of my own family. I could never feel comfortable, myself, to live with the individualistic style of human existence.
From a distance, i could always plainly see the constant amount of pain and suffering of what this individualistic style of living existence, was bringing on family member
However , as a loner i were also rendered pretty much powerless to ever be able to change it
This still remains as the same situation. Because, changing an ADULTS personality, is far to much like trying to “teach an old dog”, how to do new tricks
So near to impossible in fact. That to continue to try,soon enough will only become more and more immensely wearisome
Its tough going, to try and reason people out of doing the kind of things of what they were never “reasoned into doing”, in the first place
But were in stead, basically, bullied/forced into doing
Nothing is reasonable about any of this
Reason simply doesn’t apply. As its more like “habit” or “tradition”
At the end of the day, we end up killing ourselves through worry
Through wasting our lives away with trying
The christian majority could still help to change this problem in no time
But they wont be bothered to
Their of faith belief require that human would need to be seen as fallen
Therefore it is ALSO not even in interest of their own faith, congregation membership population number, to ever actually do anything, to helpcure these problem
For one thing, to dare to help cure these problem, is to also stifle option for continuance of faith belief population membership growth ,as well
This would then only serve to deprive the religiousof power
They refuse to relinquish power in favor of promoting true-love
Its little different than PTSD, caused through war. Basically its religious war. War being fought over truth of liberty. Truth of religious liberty
The believers, including the pious ones, these people are the one who allow truth of liberty to have need to come down to luck of the draw
They’ll then prattle on about the meme ,that “there but for the Grace of God go i”
When the truth is that a-God had absolutely nothing at all to do with it?
It was all due to lies upheld about truth of liberty. Truth of religious liberty
Lies are the FOUNDATION of this suffering. So called “real” Christian are the silent majority , who are happy to live with these lies
Meanwhile they pretend to be pious simple believer.Who wouldn’t have harmed a fly?. Who will be heard to prattle on, with the common usual meme “there but for the grace of God, go i”
As if a-God may have had anything at all to dowith the situation, himself?
As if
As if a-God had of ever been the one to decide
“hey lets pretend that religious liberty can truthfully also be able to equal acts of religious tyranny. Just so as to really stretch the truth“
As if?
In affect they pass-on the responsibility
If an afterlife exist. I suspect that the last person any of us human should ever want to be, would be to be one of the human counted among this pious majority
The enablers of immense amounts of severe harm and suffering
The bible mention a man named Jesus who had himself acted against tyranny. Even to the extent that the end result would cause himself to suffer
But “real” pious Christian majority today?
Yeah nah, those folk will be happy to sit-back, to be prepared to say little and do absolutely nothingthemselves against the tyranny. To be the one who’s quick to point fingers at the wayward cults and so on
And who’ll allow it to remain that immense amount of pain and suffering would therefore still need to continue perpetually
To help make themselves seem wonderfully spiritual and all, they’ll then pronounce the usual meme
“There but for the grace of God go i “
Imagine how Jesus might feel?
He’s basically being compared to a vast majority of heartless cowards. People who seem to lack a conscience? (being that they’ll happily allow tyranny to pass-off fortrue liberty). Must surely be void of a decent sense compassion and empathy
This whole cult problem could be sorted-out within a matter of weeks/ months?
In no time at all
If only the vast Christian majority were to finally step up themselves, andact
And therefore truthfully attempt to follow in Jesus footsteps?
This vast majority,still continue to act today as the enabler of immense amount of harm
Meanwhile they stand aside and “point finger ” at others so as to lay all blame, only on those offender alone
Is this really like what they think Jesus might have done?
But hey, believers are been acting in cahoots with government
Haven’t they?
All been colluding or conspiring together secretly, so as to keep the sheeple people stupid
Managing a mindless flock of sheep that can be used to extract extreme wealth . So that certain cunning powers that be will then have ways to become rich and powerful
Lets face it
Our governments all already have more than enough evidence of harm being done
So therefore
So therefore its OBVIOUSLY not due to lack of evidence, that they refuseto act
Correct?
Think about it. Wake up and take note. There is plenty of evidence
Evidence is not lacking
But governments cravingfor wealthstill trumps human health and well being
Human health and well being, and humanright to enjoy their life, with family
Is certainly not yet become our government main priority
Is it
Our lives remain expendable
Of no real great significance to powers that STILL prefer to retaincontrol of extreme amount of power and wealth
Anyone wish to argue how i’m wrong?
This scheme works like clockwork too, so long as the masses can remain meek and restively stupid. Preferably lacking intuition. Hopefully also to fearful to dare to enter into discussion with non believer
So hey, why not begin indoctrinating the children, with the God-phobia’s , at a time while they are still young age?
Perfect plan
Such a cunning plan in fact that even the “real Christian” are not keen to hurry up and take any action themselves against it?
I challenge believers to listen right through this video, and to fully consider all the points discussed, carefully, while trying to put bias aside to question truth.
Can they do it?. Or will it befeel impossible . Feel to uncomfortable
The thought that “belief in God, can be a way to preserve” tyranny , is an interesting thought to seriously think about?.
Like, consider the simply sentence “there but for the grace of God go i” . Which is a common quote whats often used by believers, which suggest that a-God might beis involved in kind of micro managing what happens within our lives. And so as such, can therefore be seen as “creating the differences” of what will occur within different families lives. Perhaps might explain why it would be that while some families will leave a cult with their whole families still completely intact, meanwhile there are other families that wont do
As apposed to us seeing it as “just being about luck of the draw” scenario
Now, if there in fact happens to be no-God after all. Then fact is, that although on the surface this “there but for the grace of god” meme, might tend to sound benign and un-harmful
However, perhaps in a subtle way its in fact terribly harmful.
Why so?.
Well simply because, it is these very kind of claim of what will also serve to preserve the religious tyranny. Why so?. Well because these subtle quote will serve to also continue to help convince human,that a-God might in fact actually be involved in micro managing of our lives.
When perhaps there’s nothing that could be any further from the truth
Correct?
I bet that the believer that are “using” these meme, often, probably wont even stop to consider the thought at all, that very likely the captive that have remained within the cults, will also be thinking likewise as well too . As they’ll also be busily using the very same meme while still inside the cults as well themselves too. So as to help convincethemselves, that it be only “by Grace of God” ,too, that they will have “remained within” the cults
It act like a double edged sword
And this is exactly how this religious tyranny is being preserved
So called “simple real pious Christian” , are inclined to see themselves and their faith, as being benign and totally un-harmful. They wont be slightly aware that perhaps their faith is ALSO STILL helping to preserve the harm
Will they?
Good chance that perhaps that importantconsideration, possibly wont have even cross their mind
Believer inside of cults and outside of cults. Wont even bother to give it a second thought
While believer would continue to use these meme. Then it will also remainless likely , that government would ever step in and choose to intervene
Believer should think about that. Consider the implication
Watch through this whole video. Challenge yourselves . As you watch through. Perhaps even stop the video from time to time. So as to spend a few moments to stop and fully ponder over whats being said, before moving on
Cult members very likely wont dare to allow themselves. They’ll usually prefer to remain ignorant. So much so, that they’ll even lose their conscience,along with any ability for compassion and empathy too. Cult member are world renown for this level of ignorance
But then what about non cult members. Can they actually allow themselves to feel challenged ?
Or are the two still fairly similar like peas of a pod
Below is the video what was being critique
As an atheist, i have no qualm about watching through any video’s made by believers. In fact i go out of my way to do so. Feel quite happy to continue to listen to different points of view
