Undue Influence: Cults and Predators with Steven Hassan

Narcissist personality disorder . People that lack conscience and empathy. Everything is usually about “making them look good” (IE: Brethren Rapid relief team charade?) and feel good. And interestingly, destructive cult leaders (like Bruce review wrecker Hales?) will usually fit this characteristic

In other words they are narcissist 

Also a similar link between most all people/members within cults

Which help explains why even our family, within the Brethren are EASILY able to act heartless . For instance, like with the Brethren sham-review phenomena = cult member narcissism

Its narcissism

Also helps explain why they wont be able to see their rapid relief team , for the “hypocrite-scheme” that it is

Cunning scheme purposely devised to retain their charity status (which explain why it hadn’t happened until after charity commission had pressured the Brethren)

They are narcissist = no conscience

Poor things don’t even feel remorse when one of the family member had committed suicide

Narcissist = no conscience , no empathy, no compassion

Poor things?

Wealthy in money. But poor in conscience 

Sad people

Even the way what Bruce review wrecker Hales , suggest someone should take rat poison



In September 2015, Bruce Hales was asked about a mentally unwell New Zealand Brethren member man who had been in contact with “opposers” – people who have left the Brethren – should be dealt with.

Bruce Hales, Sydney-based global leader of the Exclusive Brethren, pictured with his wife Jennifer.

The “opposers” in question are understood to be members of the man’s own family who have already left the Brethren.

Hales said “having links” with them was “rotten poison”, and that the poison had got into the young man, who is from New Zealand.

Despite having been told that the man was “in what would appear to be torment at times,” Hales told the meeting it would be better for him to kill himself.

“He might as well get a shot of – what’s the best thing to kill you quickly? … What’s the stuff? Cyanide? No, not cyanide,” Hales says.

“Arsenic. How do you get arsenic into you? … He’d be better to take arsenic, or go and get some rat poison or something, take a bottle of it.”

Hales then appears to contradict himself: “Now I’m not advocating him doing that but … that would be better, to finish yourself off that way [rather] than having to do with the opponents of the truth.”

Hales tells them to “send the bastard back [to New Zealand]”.



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Pretty much, text book  narcissism

Isn’t it ?

Poor guy.

Wealthy in money


Terrible poor in heart

Far to small a person to ever allow himself to apologize 

No conscience

Poor Brethren. They possibly don’t even realize the direct link that their  “cold heartedattitudes have with personality disorder narcissism 

Do they?

Poor things

These video would be great video, to share/show among the public, within our acts of peaceful protest

Chances are that Brethren business clientele, and the firemen who are being served by rapid relief team too , probable wont have even stopped to think about it

They wont be aware of this narcissism link ?

Wont be aware

This guy uses science to help reprogram , ex cult member who’ll leave cults with narcissist personality in-tow

Obviously its a fairly well studied phenomena






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The way we think about charity is dead wrong

The way we think about charity is dead wrong

I agree. Way wrong. Why are we still allowing it to generally end up in the hands of the religious organization?

Interesting point discussed at around the 10.35 min mark.It discusses the false nature of “acts of charity” as it to often still stands. In regards to puritan beliefs. The way that the religious were intending to become wealthy. But when becoming wealthy had then felt guilt. So to offset the feeling of THEIR CAPITALIST guilt. They had come up with the idea of creating charity system that would also have need to remain unprofitable. So that this gesture could ultimately then serve to resolve the religious capitalist “feelings” of guilt

In affect, guilt offset through a cunning act

Not that religion would bother to feel any guilt about cunning-act?

By maintaining that charity would necessarily have need to remain within unprofitable boundary. This would then help to deal to competition . Mainly the charity would mostly end up being run by religious , who’s feeling of guilt could become reason for their motivation

A cunning plan

Not really based on feeling of “simple” kindness. Or empathy and compassion

More like a cunningly planned “get-out-of-hell free” card


However today, by now we now should know better. We should know that it doesn’t require guilt , “for human” to want to get involved in acts of charity

Many do charity. Many more of us, EX EB’S would have been more involved in charity too, if only our families hadnt been ripped to pieces. Been driven half insane through sadness and despair due to Brethren actions

We can be sure of that

And beside, religion can act in a negative way to human ability to act charitable . Correct?

Notice how few “other-believer” (IE:non eb believer) are caring enough to bother questioning the Brethren acts of dividing families and ruining whole generation of lives. WHOLE GENERATION have been ruined. While believer, who were unaffected themselves, had stood by and done absolutely nothing to help remedy the situation

See how many millions of believers will willingly live with the lie of religious liberty,as it stands? (so called “liberty”  what allows for people to become entrapped within cults and high control religious groups)

Bullshit liberty

Religion is certainly not the moon beam of essence of charitable-acts

Or even any moon-beam of whats-moral

Is it?

If anything religion is acting against freely charitable action. Even so far as the forces of BIGOTRY of what the faith beliefs have been helping to infiltrate our societies with as well too

Time for big changes to happen. Time that our government would also wise up. Specially now today,with the FAST approach of environmental destruction,and pollution and depletion of world resources

Bloom of homelessness

Charity should not be allowed to be mainly allocated to religion any longer. These religion are long overdue for decent competition. Humanitarian orientated competition

Overdue time that the playing field would need to be made more level

Time that well meaning humanitarian ,and atheist ,would also be provided with a way ,to enter into charity acts, without any need to go “using guilt” against Church congregation. Like the way what religion does

Proper “empathy and compassion” based acts of charity

For a change (decent charitable act, free from requirement/expectation to worship some idol-God-image)

This action, would then help to force religions, to have need to become honestly charitable

No longer could they afford to pick and choose , who they be prepared to help?. They’ll then have less option left open, to be able to decide to deny charity to ex member of their religious cults either

The day of reckoning, for religious charitable frauds, is fast approaching

Only a matter of time

Meanwhile us ex member can continue play a part. For instance we can take all kind of action, so as to help make sure that firemen are informed . Informed about the way that Brethren are picking and choosing who they act charitable towards

There are plenty of youtube video, and other media available now, which amount to masses of collected evidence, of what could even be taken out to stand as close as possible alongside rapid relief team canteens . That could then be used so as to directly help educate the firemen of exactly what type of cunning religious people, they are being fed-food by

I most certainly do intend to start doing so myself too, as soon as i feel i’m quite ready to do so, and able to get everything needed together. Van decked out with media to run a decent number youtube video loops to publicly-display the harmful experiences what were forced upon ex eb’s lives. Plenty of hand-out information pamphlets, and so on

Bruce Hales should grow so bigger balls. Admit to his failure of leading Brethren up the garden path,k due to his greed, within the farce so called Brethren review. In affect, hurting the people far more, of who he’d been pretending to want to say sorry to.

He might then at least prove to Brethren ,that he’s in fact willing to honestly admit to his own imperfection 

In stead of STILL remaining way to gutless 

Brethren business may stand to be the ones to lose out most of all?. Once we start traveling the country,with a road show van equipped to display evidence of harm caused by Brethren to so many ex member, and parking it out alongside as close as is legally possible to their businesses

So as to HELP bring our own “hikoi protest” VERY VERY PUBLIC

this should at least serve to make it harder for Firemen to swallow the food for so-called “rapid relief team” (one which isn’t been rapid at relief of families of what they are quietly well-known to have ruined. Plenty of “doctors records” compiled throughout the years, to even help support this claim too)

If i were a-Brethren, i wouldn’t bother to become complacent? . I certainly wouldn’t bother to be thinking that the truth had “failed” to surface

No way

If i were a-Brethren,i feel id be considering that perhaps there are certain  ex eb’s who have been patiently holding back, so far, due to their empathy and compassion


Be also wondering if perhaps this is now beginning to wear a bit thin

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The Problem With Our Society

The Problem With Our Society – Gabor Mate (Toxic Culture)

Listen through the video above, and then apply it , to thinking about what kind of health HAZARD affect it would have on Brethren and ex Brethren’s QUALITY of health

Below is a few comments of ex eb experiences. For reference

Note: these one quoted below, are merely like the tip of the iceberg (so to speak)

In other words

There are miles more very similar stories, too, than so far remain untold, of similar experiences, what happened to plenty of others as well

My own ex eb sister and brother in law being one of these story. Having given birth to a child of what was born with a rare disease know as maple syrup urine disease

See some info on this disease here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_syrup_urine_disease

Note: this disease is genetically driven. It first require both parent would both need to inherit certain genetic  (or otherwise this disease wont happen to babies what are born)

When the child was born to my sister and brother in law, not long after they left the eb and were withdrawn from and had therefore been then promptly treated as if they’d already both died .

Some local eb ,quite likely some member of Brethren hierarchy had then implied that this was Gods “way” of punishing them (IE: the parents)

When this child died later on when aged 4 1/2. After the childs heart gave up,through falling sick often. And perhaps partly due to hospital staff being slow to listen to the child’s parent pleas, for prompt action, to admit to hospital

This sister and brother in law, were to have not even one grandparent , available, there to help support them, not even at the graveside either?

Only for reason because of how all their grandparent had remained within confines of the Brethren cult

Brethren are sick people. Due to hierarchy’s Greed, sadly most ALL BRETHREN CONGREGATION have become void of true compassion or empathy

Considering how true CHARITY  will generally be expected to be seen to start among family

They pretend to be charitable. Sure they do. So as to fool the citizen ,through love bombing . IE” so called “Rapid relief team”

Yet they’ll show no rapid relief ,to loads of ex cult member, whom their CULT, has HARMED  tremendously?

Their kind of “so called charity” is more of an act

Public (PR) relation gimmick 

See the link (who they are not more likely)

Who We Are

Compassion ?

They are merely putting on the Ritz

Compassion and empathy both are usually expected to need start at home, among family. Specially-so, to family whom have been harmed?

The greedy non eb citizen may quite possibly accept it (IE: the ritz-charade), being that Brethren are also offering “business options”, of what other people “without charity connection” status may have less hope to ever offer them?.

Or perhaps those whom are easily fooled into believing Brethren’s claim to “being compassionate” charitable people


  • Miriam Field-Davidson I was so brainwashed, I thought God would hurt one of my children if I left. That was the god I learned in the pbs. A vindictive, angry despot who I better love …or else
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    • Sandie Inkson Miriam Field-Davidson me2 my daughter died @ just 13yrs and the brethren said it ‘was Gods judgement on me 4 selling my birthright 😦
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    • Jilly Moxham Sandie Inkson about the cruelest thing someone can say to someone who’s heartache and loss of their child is at its rawest. Compassion and empathy in the EB Hierachy impossible. That is the sort of comment that never fails to enrage me.
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    • Miriam Field-Davidson Oh Sandie Inkson, I am so sorry for the crassness and cruelty of those people. How horrible. How dare any of them spout verses about love, they are the antithesis of love.
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    • Jenni Mcdougall Sandie Inkson I’m sorry for your pain
      I too was told if I left the brethren that I would have a life of sorry and handicapped children if I married outside the cult
      I had a son Ben with Cystic Fibrosis and a son Kyle with leukemia
      Ben died at 18
      It’s a horrendously emotional trauma that never leaves you
      My heart to yours
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    • Sandie Inkson Jilly Moxham I agree and then they came and demanded her body while she was stil alive ….. its outraGeoUs!!!
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    • Jilly Moxham Beyond belief cousin. Warm hugs♡♡
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    • Sandie Inkson Jilly Moxham Yes I had to get security LoLz
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    • Deb Ghinn Hugs Sandie. Every time I hear what they did, my heart goes out to you all over again. These were ‘our’ people, and it utterly makes me cringe. (Sandie & I come from the same NZ ‘locality’ as the peebs call it.) 💞
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    • Sandie Inkson Jenni Mcdougall thankyou Jenni …. jacqui died of a tumour on the brain stem @ 13yrs I feel and hear your pain #Hugs
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    • Jenni Mcdougall Sandie Inkson thank you
      It’s not the natural order of things to bury your children
      Grief is overwhelming and without family and friends becomes even more unbearable
      The unchristian attitude of the brethren in laying blame and preaching fear is emotional abuse
      If any one else did this it would be unacceptable
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    • Miriam Field-Davidson My precious little niece died from the same thing just before her fifth birthday. She is still loved and missed so much.
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What the hell are our governments thinking when they allowed these groups free rein, as like what they do, that would then act EXTREMELY HARMFUL to human health and safety?

What happen to our Governments RESPONSIBILITY for human RIGHT of health and safety ?

Ex cult member, from all different cults, worldwide, should be acting in solidarity in holding all the governments accountable, for their irresponsible ways

One way to help make our government learn from their irresponsible act, in allowing this harm to occur to human health and safety

Is to take action in suing the Governments

That’s what should be happening

Let the government allow harmful cults and high control groups. Fair enough. Their choice. Let them act stupidly in handing out charity status to them to

But then lets act to hold our government responsible for their irresponsible act. Hold the governments TOTALLY responsible for their disregard for human right to decent health and safety

Sue the government for so much money, that they’ll learn to think twice , about allowing this to happen?

This is the answer

Doing this, will help to sort out problems with many harmful groups worldwide 

You might say, it would be kind of like (the saying)killing a fair number of birds, by use of only the one stone

Governments are the ones, who have BEEN WILLING to put capitalism before health and safety of human

Haven’t they?

Even their GREED, came before compassion and empathy too. In this sense, both culkt vmember and politician are simlar. Their compassion and empathy, is been far too easily overcome by Government Greed for wealth of its citizen “in money terms rather than in terms of the citizen HUMAN RIGHT to decent health and happiness


Little wonder then, society today, STILL lack  to see quite enough compassion and empathy, abounding, as yet too?

People who are supposed to be ACTING LIKE the leading light of grace and harmony and kindness and empathy and compassion, within our societies


Right at this moment

For their ability to cause extreme harm unto certain people whom were UNLUCKY  enough ,to need to be born within this evil religious-based source of SOCIAL destruction

At present, sometimes they (our government politician) wont even CARE to cover people for brain trauma injury, through ACC (many times caused by the same destructive group,who’ll still receive charity status)

They refuse to cover brain trauma injury

But yet they will CONTINUE to support harmful cults,of what cause brain injury, such as C-PTSD ,  by issuing these harmful groups with charity status


This is like the most ultimate insult to ALL those citizen dealing with brain injury


This need to change. We need to march on our governments door steps of Parliament building, come next election time, if need be

Ex cult member, of ALL different groups, could combine-together to create their own large  hīkoi


March on parliament building doorsteps

Lets then see , Jacinda Kate Laurell Ardern and Hon Winston Raymond Peters, try to explain their bullshit claptrap crap about the idea of New Zealander ALL being like “one people”

As if, as if we are?

As if all New Zealander are struggling against harmful ongoing affect of brain injury, caused by cults, of what Government then refuse to cover, through ACC

As if?

What a lie

A lie told to our world, as if it were TRUTH

Shame on them


Ex cult member MAY SOON need to take a card out of the Maori activism way of MAKING SURE of getting themselves heard ?

Organize combined effort  hīkoi ,of ex member of all  different high-control groups, of whom have been affected through HEALTH AND SAFETY 

NO  politician should ever deserve to retain their positions in GOVERNMENT. Should they dare turn a blind eye, “to badhealth and safety policy


We now already have, BACKING of more than enough scientific evidence to prove the harm. To prove how unsafe this situation is

Why are we not suing governments big time already?

Best thing that ex member of all the different cult/high control groups could do for themselves

Would be to organize together, AS ONE , and then take COMBINED ACTION  against government irresponsible disregard of their citizen health and safety 

Never mind trying to talk SENSE  to cult congregation

Don’t waste our breathe ?

Lets sink the whole “cult-fleet“, IN ONE single BLOW, by taking combined highly organized action against our governments

Tha’ts how we could QUICKLY fix things for all people

Its them GOVERNMENT that need to be held ultimately responsible for all this harm what has been allowed to unfold, through badly thought out Government policy, of which were irresponsible, considering the total disregard of citizen right to proper decent health and safety


It happen this way because the government

They have put capitalism GREED first, before consideration of the citizen right to have decent health and safety


Governments should pay huge compensation

Same way what businesses would also be held to account for such irresponsible act

Where was decent Government health and safety policy . When ALL these CITIZEN ,who died through suicide , had needed it? https://web.archive.org/web/20131204204302/http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=14&sid=0da5bf29853dae314c62617a0e52aa6d


Shame of the government


You let down your citizen human right

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Ex eb’s will even duck and dive around responsibility too.Pious Christian are the very most worst at doing it as well.

All of our own suffering might have been avoided but for these non eb, pious foolish people ,who’ll not care to take the action, of whats been LONG needed for many generations past already now

If i were them. And truly believed in existence of a God. I really wouldn’t want to be one them, that’s for real

Certainly wouldn’t want to be

I wont say too much more. You cant talk sense to senseless foolish people?

But i’ll say this

Imagine if human, were to pretend, that for human to truly have freedom/liberty of life

Then this would necessarily require of us, that we would leave things “up to human groups” of what might evolve, to be able to make their own decision, about how they’ll live and what they’ll decide to do

Imagine the complete uncontrollable chaos of like what some of our lives might be existing like now?. Why would rape of a wife be considered as wrong?. Violence toward women and children?. Or why would drunk driving be wrong? . And so on

We could use the same usual TRITE POMPOUS claim ,of  like what cunning MANIPULATIVE theist have constantly too often used, for many generation already now

We could propose the question below

Who among us should have the right to judge then?

Which is the same crap clap-trap bullshit “slippery slopesophistry


Debi Crocker Ilona Hughes Lyons I think there needs to be some legislative standard set. After all, a pub can’t claim to be a retail shop and open early so why should any church be allowed to claim it is christian if in fact, it is not?



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Valid question being put forward by Debi Crocker

Same old shit though, isn’t it, with they way what everyone turn a blind eye to these important question. Promptly pretending as if they hadn’t even seen sign of it being put-forward for discussion

Usual tactic

Far easier for so called “simple Christian” pious bunch, to use the cults and high control groups as scapegoats for their own disregard of their own responsibility

Isn’t it?

At the end of the day, if a-God exist, then this God will also know exactly who these so called “pious simple christian” people all are. The ones who have CONSTANTLY ducked and dived around this question concerning very root problem,with regard to TRUTH  of OUR right of religious liberty

Meaning that due to this evil cunning “use of” sophistry, this then led on to the very “making” of  MANY EXTREMELY harmful cults and high control religious group,worldwide, including the group as like what the high control Brethren groups are become like now

The onus will still rest on them CUNNING MANIPULATIVE  THEIST folk. Pompous ones claiming to be pious Christian blah blah blah, wont stand for much reward in a-Gods eye?

In thinking themselves “the humble ones”, they likely managed to have fooled themselves, big time?

When government need “to hear” their support, so as to help bring forth change. It is the pious believers who’ll ALL then ” scurry-awayand hide and will have remained most silent of all people

So therefore they even remain ultimately most responsible of all too, for suicides and extreme suffering ALL OF what has in this way been allowed to go unchecked

Whats more, they’ll very likely also remain responsible too, for not BOTHERING  to help to kick the butts of so many other so called humbled pious foolish congregation Christian folk, into action

Never mind, the constant ass licking style sermon, like constantly relayed in their churches each week. Designed to brown nose God

They should be cautioning the congregations?


About getting their act together. To BEGIN to repair their FOOLISH lack of concern

I’m glad not to be a member among these groups. I feel blessed. My conscience feels at ease

Wonderful feeling. To know how ive been released from this HUGE responsibly

My only responsibility now is to try my best to help warn these people

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Embrace loneliness

Certain environmental circumstances of life pushed me to learn how to embrace loneliness. It was rough going. Im not interested in sugar coating it. But then many things that are worthwhile in the long term. Will also require people to learn resilience along the way as well

I relate to many things said within this video. Even the need for our authenticity. This is been tough to hold on to. Because, with being of a fairly strongly empathetic personality, then you’ll try, for some time, to find a way to please everyone?

Interesting, for me, to note how the lady in the video talk about “the universe inviting you”. That idea spoken about there, is about, the idea that, the present “state of our environment”, would be placing certain “tough to handle” things in front of our own paths we tread in our life, as a way what to also help guide and direct us to what to help do something, so as to try to remedy this situation,of what we will have learned though our own experience, already, is acting to make life tough going for some people. Most likely way more people, than just only ourselves. Which in turn, can, sometimes help to grow our feeling of empathy

Upon knowing this ourselves, in very clear way, we then can have gained an insight, ourselves, of what other people might not have any way themselves ,to ever learn anything about for themselves. Due to their own pathway, in life, being so different (perhaps easier?) than what our own pathway, has been

Here again, this is the phenomena, what people can sometimes be heard to describe as being like “the school of hard knocks”

People that can hang-in there long enough, and struggle on through the rocky road, then they may some day have a chance to gain practical qualification , of the type what in the main part, cannot ever be taught to people who are the so called “luckier ones” in life, who instead may only get the usual “university type” education degree, and so forth

As people who’d been through the school of hard knocks.Though it might need to be a huge long struggle. Once we finally come out the other side of this struggle. We will then start to see all kind of “wonderful options” of what then finally begin to suddenly open up for ourselves

We may find it so much easier, ourselves, to clearly SENSE and understand things to do with the likes of “social sciences”. And suchlike

Someone who’d easily understand exactly what it is im describing here (in my own very unconventional way) would be Gabor Maté


My ongoing struggle, right now at this present moment in time, is to find a way how, to not offend the learned “conventionally taught educated”type peoples feelings too badly, all of who’d been through the standard university style way of learning. For some of these people can have very fragile ego?. Just saying

Its not my intention to make enemy. I’m an inclusive person at heart. I love everyone, (Even people who’d turned bad,due to experiences of environment aspect of their life pathway). I still do value their-own traditional style knowledge . How to still make this clear,while retaining my own authenticity as well at the same time, is what i’m working on presently right now.

This is the stage what i’m personally at right now. And again, for the most part, i’m needing to revert back to making use of my own knowledge, all of what were ONLY learned via school of hard knocks. So, its still fraught with certain pit falls and danger .

What doesn’t kill us. Can stand to continue to help make us, even more resilient, and stronger, and hopefully perhaps slightly wiser?

I can joke and laugh about it. But only because this has ALSO often needed to be my own-way of survival mechanism too. I’ve learned to laugh even when i’d been rather wishing like i wasn’t living anymore. But being an empathetic inclined person personality, naturally so due to certain rough life experiences, never could i think to take my own life. No way. Never. Being that i also known (through my own experience as well, of my siblings past effort, to try doing so to themselves) how this would only then in affect, go on to cause “hurt and pain unto other people” too, who know-me and who like me. I have good people in my life, even if not my own flesh and blood relation, who’d learn about it through the grape vine, and then perhaps be “beating themselves” up about it, in worrying about whether they perhaps “should have” been doing stuff to help. I certainly don’t want this, as i’m actually totally thankful enough already, to all these amazing caring kind wonderful people, of OUR WORLD

Whakawhetai to you people

Sadly the school of hard knocks can take up to 40+ , to finally get close to your final day of graduation , haaa hee hee . Perhaps you never quite finish learning either?. And chances are, you’ll certainly not even ever receive any fancy piece of paper, in which to “proudly” display up there on your wall either , hee heeeee

Shit happens

No biggy as truth is, i couldn’t care less about this small detail. I still wouldn’t have my life run any other way, now i know, about, all what ive learned?. Although , perhaps it might have been nice, sometimes, to have family who’d support and to work alongside me?. But then, maybe then i’d get to miss out on ability of learning all the many vital finer detail, of struggling and frustration and so many important unconventional-detail and so on

So all in all

I’m very thankful for everything now (even Brethren for being the assholes like what they are, too?. Yes i think so)

Whakawhetai to you universe


Whakawhetai to you too mother earth

Whakawhetai to Brethren assholes too

PS: special thanks too, to Bruce Hales Almighty review Wrecker. Cheers m8. Hope you can be feeling real-wonderful, today now, about yourself now too?

“Nice one Brucie”, i can now see how you did extremely well by me, taking-up your own valuable time, to be so kind and caring, in your own bumbling messy way to think to teach me about EXACTLY who you are?.Wow truly wonderful thing. Im feeling so grateful now. And to think how, i might otherwise never ever have been able to learn these things, without you caring to be so carefully thoughtful, and through with your own expert way in teaching-me these finer details, of our life’s lessons. To you too Brucie Hales, Whakawhetai to you e’ho

Interestingly to note, that in your own messy unconventional bumbling way,Brucie, you are actually in fact, an active force for good,in your own right?. Wow wow.Who would have even guessed this might be so?

Without closer retrospection

You teach us what is extremely bad to happen to people lives. Teach us all about whats highly detrimental to peoples mental health and well being and so on.So our whole world can then gain knowledge, ourselves, as to why certain aspect of our environment, should have VALID reason to have need to change

You are a little bit like the master teacher?. Sort of act little bit similar to like the Brethren equivalent of a “Jackie Chan  drunken style “martial artists way?

Lucky for you too huh Brucie?, Brethren folk all very very very experienced “whisky drinker”, all very very very experienced, bumbling-fighter too . All show lot “of spirit” as well , very very extremely drunken bumbling “style of spirit”

Even some Brethren children,  also learn Brethren whiskey drink, “drunken style”, fight plan too?. Complete with swearing highly masterful fight-plan of calling people “cunt” and so forth, and any other outright abuse of people who’d dare to counter?. Brethren can most surely expect to become “all very Zen-like” with their drunken style, master fight plan?

Truly amazing to watch

Absolutely anything beats fear of needing to  humble oneself enough publicly and admit to wrongdoing, or perhaps begin to honestly act so to in some way compensate people who been mistreated bad ?

Very very masterful plan



Ka pai

Its always been my real pleasure sparring with you

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On a Brethren Sunday morning … coming down

Perhaps something might sound something kind of slightly familiar to some ?

Hic ! hee hee haa haa, hic heeeee haa “you bum you” haaaaa  ahhhhhhhh oooowww hee hee haaaaaa hic hic aahhaaa yaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hee hee haaaaaaaaaaa “stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp ” haaa heee haaaaaa

Yyyouw never ad it like dis hic ahhhh hee hee haaaa “son of a bitch”  haaaaaa “bastards” haaaaa “stomp stomp stomp stomp stomp ” hic weeeeeheeee haaa hic haa heee hee haaaaaa

Ahhhh taught tee taww tee puddy cat , heee haaa hee he tewww plurry pissed at tee time tuu even know? haaaa hee hee hic haaa

Yyyouw there George ?  hic hic haaa yyyouw aaalways asleep at meetings aall the time George?  haaa hee hee ahaaaa … Yyyouw tuuu plurry pissed all the time on de whisky tu ahh yee George? aaahaaa hee hic haaaaa hee heee



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Still absolutely No Authenticity Then?


Peter M Clarke

Seems there is a concerted effort to entice ex EB to ‘come back’. Now I think mending fences is welcome under any pretext, but the EB seem to actualy think they have something to offer …friend of mind ran into an old acquaintance he hadn’t talked to for nearly 50 years, but this time,rather than scuttling out of the way and pretending he hadn’t seen him,this time the EB came up, glad handed him and professed great delight in seeing him and told him ‘they missed him’..made the pitch to ‘come back’ to the assembly…freind asks, well that’s nice,what have you got to offer? ‘Big meeting-Lots of people’ ( maybe 150,when the interchange swells numbers) ‘Good business opportunities’ (freind says ‘got more business than I can handle now ,but it would have been nice a few years ago when I was struggling to raise a family ) ‘you can make a lot of money’ (thanks , got enough already ) friend says, ‘hey,thanks for the offer anyway, great to meet you again,why don’t we get together and have a beer at my place? Bring the wife and kids for a barbeque and we‘ll catch up’

‘oh,sorry-can’t do that…( little embarrassed laugh) ‘you know the rules’…

Friend says ‘yah,I do,why would I want to come back to that?you‘ve got nothing I need or want – got a good church we go to and we’re happy there,they preach the gospel and have good bible studies,my kids go on mission trips … nice seeing you though’ and the offer to drop over for a beer is good anytime

and that pretty well sums it up,the ‘lord may have turned another corner‘ but EB have nothing we need or want…business connections? ,join the local Chamber of Commerce,’ they don’t pretend to be a church ,no strings attached and you don’t have to ‘give a gift’….have a nice day!

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Same old same old, “putting on an act” , and pretending to be genuine

Act of love bombing, with hope to fool people

The old compassion not REALLY in action “TRICKhttps://www.rapidreliefteam.org/who-we-are/

But is used, instead, as a tool for purpose to suck folk in so as to fool people  (which also explains why so called said “rapid Relief”, had only began after the charity commission “began questioning” how worthy Brethren actually were of charity status?).

See some info here https://www.theguardian.com/voluntary-sector-network/community-action-blog/2013/jan/03/christian-brethren-legal-appeal-charity-commission-status

Considering the long list of detrimental harm, what they’d continually caused, unto so many. Including all those, who’d not been able to cope with it anymore


Because charity will usually supposed to beginat home” among family and loved ones, correct?

It obviously isn’t TRUE love, OR COMPASSION ,when you despise people ENOUGH , (not in your religious-club), that you wont even AGREE to simply share a meal together with them. But instead … go so far as to “proudly” (in un-humble puffed-up horridly self-righteous attitude) turn down their freely forthcoming charitable offer , to share a meal together

Proverbs 3:7, KJV ,Isaiah 5:21, KJV , 1 Corinthians 3:18-19, 21, 1 Corinthians 4:6-7, KJV , 1 Corinthians 8:1b-2, KJV , 1 Timothy 1:6-7, KJV , 1 Timothy 6:3-5, KJV , Hebrews 5:12-14, KJV , Proverbs 16:18, KJV , Luke 14:11, KJV

So there you go

See so that’s also how we will be able to gauge the authenticity of claim of being-charitable people ?

Evidently God like the humble lowly, The friendly kind people who’ll happily offer to share a meal, even

That’s mighty attractive too ?

I find it easy, even as an atheist, to see how i still share some common ground with those people . I love them, this world need far more of them. Help to make OUR  world become a far better place. For indeed they still remain as a force for good in OUR world

We are being provide evidence (from a-God perhaps, who knows?) to help us gauge truth of matters


If in fact Brethren were HONESTLY CHARITABLE  people. At heart. Then they also wouldn’t mind one bit, to publicly admit to their acts in causing a whole lot of people a whole load of extreme harm


They would NATURALLY also gladly accept outsider freely forthcoming , compassionate humble charitable offer … to share 


As that’s what humble kind thoughtful people will happily do.

Bruce Hales Almighty Boo Boo , inwardly, will already know how he had in fact allowed his own GREED  for financial gain . To ruin ALL the Brethren’s review experience. For all the many eb and ex ebs who we ALL sucked-in and fooled into believing Brethren’s intention were pure and motivated by true remorse for all the immense amount of harm of what they already HAVE  caused to so many. For all the lives of what they helped to ruin

They went and “broke so many of us ex eb’s hearts (including my own heart), ONCE OVER AGAIN, within the time of that bullshit trumped up charade of a review, of what they put-on,to fool us ?

They broke our hearts

But only

Because, we still actually DO have a pure heart

That’s why (and we wont need to be apologizing, to anyone, for having a pure heart ?)

Surely not

No need to?

However, sadly

Chances are, we will never be able to break the heart of those lost-people, who would seem to have ceased to have A HEART?

Wont happen


Sadly seems they non longer have a heart (definitely not a pure heart anyway)

They lost any ability to have HONEST compassion and empathy,for others, outside of their Christian cult-club

Poor things?

Sad….. Terribly sad

A man can even have all the money in the whole wide world. And yet remain very POOR OF HEART


This is a sad state to be

Where is any written and public acknowledgment to harm caused?

There is none . None what’s worthy of mentioning , so far as yet, anyway

As that would really require Brethren to act be humble?


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Message for Brethren

I feel there’s a message here for Brethren. Even their rapid relief team is part of this message within this here video?

Their “we are persecuted misunderstood Christian” line of attack

It needn’t be this way?

Many ex eb wonder why i havent been to the law about my own detrimental experience among Exclusive Brethren. Reason is, i have understanding of  Brethren with regard of reason why they are who they have become. They chose to be this way. Even although they had the right, to refuse, to accept the road they have taken.

Yet generally speaking, it were a mistake made through falling victim to misguided teaching

I have empathy and compassion in this regard

Whats more, they still have an option open to them all, to begin today to change their road, at any moment. But only they themselves can choose this

Its certainly not an easy road to choose. I know this through experience. Its even harder road too, when you are someone walking the road alone in life. Someone who wont have one flesh and blood brother who’ll be there to care to help cover you, like if perhaps for some reason you may become unavailable to keep an important meeting that’s been preset to happen at a certain given time and place. You’ll have no body to care for you, to back you up, to stand by you and let other people know that you are in fact honest and trustworthy person. You’ll have absolutely nobody to help you. Whats worst of all, there may even be other well meaning ex ebs , who’ll set about with back stabbing you too, behind the scene

But shit happens. Nobody ever promised you that your life would be like a bed of sweet smelling roses. Did they?

But this is life. This is life without sugar coating the situation

Through empathy, and through experience of my own failure. I’m able to better understand Brethren’s ways as well

Together we might have all been able to do so much more to HELP  make our world a better place. This is what saddens me. However, i wont let this stop me from continuing on. I have little regrets, because even although the road ive trodden alone has been fraught with many pitfalls. Overall , its still been rewarding. I’ve learned so much about the so called “worldly” people. So many wonderful things. So many heart changing things. And the pay off is this, even at this very moment right now, should i ever need it, there are homes all around New Zealand where all i’d need to do is to arrive on the peoples door step, and i’d be promptly welcomed in, like as if i’m just another one of the whanau (extended family)

Human share same genes.We are one people in this regard.

Color of skin is merely skin deep

I never could have been able to have learned these things, ever, if in fact i’d chosen to remain among Brethren. It wouldn’t be possible. As i would of remain a bigot. A complete bigot, who’ll believe that “goodness” can only ever exist among Brethren

So,therefore there is been a huge silver lining to these struggle.And thinking back about these struggles now, i now realize how i actually wouldn’t want to change a thing

Call me and optimist. Call me a dreamer. Call me any name you’d like. I don’t mind. The thing is, i’ll expect that i might have been called worse names already. Because, there are people, who’ll spy our weaknesses. They’ll soon see how little “back up” we are forced to live with. They’ll take advantage  of our own inability to get close to people, all the things of what we were cursed with since we were born within Brethren

Even so. I now see why i wouldn’t want to change a thing. Because i can see how this has benefited myself, to help teach me, the way in which so many other human may also struggle themselves too, with these very same things as well

Therefore i now consider myself to be very lucky

Brethren can have all the same options available too?. The same options ALWAYS remain open for every human being on earth

Compassion and empathy has served me very well throughout my life. It allowed me to understand others better. In return, all in all generally speaking ,the same value were then shown to me reciprocally

I would urge Brethren to reconsider accepting this truly most wonderful gift of life. Brethren have a great chance STILL awaiting them, to be able to become a huge driving force for HELPERS of good, within our world today

The blood of all who have committed suicide, cries out in hope that the Brethren would CHOOSE  to do this now. So that the blood of our loved ones, who have passed away, then needed have been shed for nothing 

All these people who’s historic experience of suffering, is compiled and retained , see here below


There is still an option open,to finally help make amends?

Bruce Hales Almighty Boo Boo, the Brethren review destroyer.


Would only have need to humble himself so little. To simply accept that he is ALSO HUMAN, just like what everyone single one of us also are

Oh that it might begin to happen today

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Brethren Narcissism


Ilona Hughes Lyons
20 hrs
Seriously?? You brethren are a bunch of asshole pricks. Sit and watch our house til we leave for Jerrys truck in the morning then sit and watch us say goodbye then start in on how much grace you’ve shown us?? And how you need to keep the Lords Assembly pure? What about all those in there that are ACTIVELY doing drugs, abusing their wives and kids, committing adultery, alcoholics, there’s lots who DONT EVEN BELIEVE!! what about all the adults who provide alcohol to minors? Oh but we are the UNPURE ones because we chose to go to a different Church. Ok 👌🏻 oh and they don’t want to talk to us if our pastor is there 🤣🤣🤣🤣 says a lot. 🙄. Did you not have the balls to come to our house? Or call us on the phone? Slime Balls. I hope the communities around here know the damage you cause among loving families.

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Pffffffffttttttttt !!

Bout only thing pure about Brethren folk, is the pure bullshit they tend to speak. about so called “ambush’ with  James Taylor Jr’s dirty minded antics 

See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Taylor_Jr._(Exclusive_Brethren)#The_Aberdeen_incident

Oh well . Poor things simply don’t know much better

Do they?

All good though. Let them put the unsocial attitude on display. Try to get a video of the situation next time. Hand it in to police?

Or even better the TV new media outlets

Don’t let it worry you though. Hell you folk are the WONDERFUL staunch strong resilient  gutsy lucky ones anyway. The people with enough GUTS to leave?

Congratulations from us ex ebs in New Zealand … kia kaha !

We all think you’s are real-choice people .

Salt of the earth type

Don’t forget , the Brethren youth don’t have anything so-much better to spend their time doing anyway?. Childish things can sometimes help keep broad narrow minded people well occupied.

Or what?

Its about the best experience of “so called great fun” that they might even think to come up with doing?

That’s how horridly sad things are

Even when they’ve become adults

They STILL know no better. It amount to gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one’s idealized self image and attributes

See info  here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Their “peer” ole Bruce Hales Almighty Boo Boo (who’d been and totally blown the Brethren review for EVERYONE INVOLVED due to being remaining overcome by his own Greed) , has helped to pave the way for the Brethren Youth to have this ongoing need to remain socially backward

Poor things ?

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Children of PTSD

Its little different than PTSD, caused through war. Basically its religious war. War being fought over truth of liberty. Truth of religious liberty

The believers, including the pious ones, these people are the one who allow truth of liberty to have need to come down to luck of the draw

They’ll then prattle on about the meme ,that “there but for the Grace of God go i”

When the truth is that a-God had absolutely nothing at all to do with it?

It was all due to lies upheld about truth of liberty. Truth of religious liberty

Lies are the FOUNDATION of this suffering. So called “real” Christian are the silent majority , who are happy to live with these lies

Meanwhile they pretend to be pious simple believer.Who wouldn’t have harmed a fly?. Who will be heard to prattle on, with the common usual meme “there but for the grace of God, go i”

As if a-God may have had anything at all to do with the situation, himself?

As if

As if a-God had of ever been the one to decide

“hey lets pretend that religious liberty can truthfully also be able to equal acts of religious tyranny. Just so as to really stretch the truth

As if?

In affect they pass-on the responsibility

If an afterlife exist. I suspect that the last person any of us human should ever want to be, would be to be one of the human counted among this pious majority

The enablers of immense amounts of severe harm and suffering

The bible mention a man named Jesus who had himself acted against tyranny. Even to the extent that the end result would cause himself to suffer

But “real” pious Christian majority today?

Yeah nah, those folk will be happy to sit-back, to be prepared to say little and do absolutely nothing themselves against the tyranny. To be the one who’s quick to point fingers at the wayward cults and so on

And who’ll allow it to remain that immense amount of pain and suffering would therefore still need to continue perpetually

To help make themselves seem wonderfully spiritual and all, they’ll then pronounce the usual meme

“There but for the grace of God go i “

Imagine how Jesus might feel?

He’s basically being compared to a vast majority of heartless cowards. People who seem to lack a conscience? (being that they’ll happily allow tyranny to pass-off for true liberty). Must surely be void of a decent sense compassion and empathy

This whole cult problem could be sorted-out within a matter of weeks/ months?

In no time at all

If only the vast Christian majority were to finally step up themselves, and act 

And therefore truthfully attempt to follow in Jesus footsteps?

This vast majority,still continue to act today as the enabler of immense amount of harm

Meanwhile they stand aside and “point finger ” at others so as to lay all blame, only on those offender alone

Is this really like what they think Jesus might have done?

But hey, believers are been acting in cahoots with government

Haven’t they?

All been colluding or conspiring together secretly, so as to keep the sheeple people stupid

Managing a mindless flock of sheep that can be used to extract extreme wealth . So that certain cunning powers that be will then have ways to become rich and powerful

Lets face it

Our governments all already have more than enough evidence of harm being done

So therefore

So therefore its OBVIOUSLY not due to lack of evidence, that they refuse to act


Think about it. Wake up and take note. There is plenty of evidence

Evidence is not lacking

But governments craving for wealth still trumps human health and well being

Human health and well being, and human right to enjoy their life, with family

Is certainly not yet become our government main priority

Is it

Our lives remain expendable 

Of no real great significance to powers that STILL prefer to retain control of extreme amount of power and wealth

Anyone wish to argue how i’m wrong?

This scheme works like clockwork too, so long as the masses can remain meek and restively stupid. Preferably lacking intuition. Hopefully also to fearful to dare to enter into discussion with non believer

So hey, why not begin indoctrinating the children, with the God-phobia’s , at a time while they are still young age?

Perfect plan

Such a cunning plan in fact that even the “real Christian” are not keen to hurry up and take any action themselves against it?


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Christian Nationalism is a Bad Idea

I challenge believers to listen right through this video, and to fully consider all the points discussed, carefully, while trying to put bias aside to question truth.

Can they do it?. Or will it be feel impossible . Feel to uncomfortable

The thought that “belief in God, can be a way to preserve” tyranny , is an interesting thought to seriously think about?.

Like, consider the simply sentence “there but for the grace of God go i” . Which is a common quote whats often used by believers, which suggest that a-God might be is involved in kind of micro managing what happens within our lives. And so as such, can therefore be seen as “creating the differences” of what will occur within different families lives. Perhaps might explain why it would be that while some families will leave a cult with their whole families still completely intact, meanwhile there are other families that wont do

As apposed to us seeing it as “just being about luck of the draw” scenario

Now, if there in fact happens to be no-God  after all. Then fact is, that although on the surface this “there but for the grace of god” meme, might tend to sound benign and un-harmful

However, perhaps in a subtle way its  in fact terribly harmful.

Why so?.

Well simply because, it is these very kind of claim of what will also serve to preserve the religious tyranny. Why so?. Well because these subtle quote will serve to also continue to help convince human,that a-God might in fact actually be involved in micro managing of our lives.

When perhaps there’s nothing that could be any further from the truth


I bet that the believer that are “using” these meme, often, probably wont even stop to consider the thought at all, that very likely the captive that have remained within the cults, will also be thinking likewise as well too . As they’ll also be busily using the very same meme while still inside the cults as well themselves too. So as to help convince themselves, that it be only “by Grace of God” ,too, that they will have “remained within” the cults

It act like a double edged sword

And this is exactly how this religious tyranny is being preserved

So called “simple real pious Christian” , are inclined to see themselves and their faith, as being benign and totally un-harmful. They wont be slightly aware that perhaps their faith is ALSO STILL helping to preserve the harm

Will they?

Good chance that perhaps that important consideration, possibly wont have even cross their mind

Believer inside of cults and outside of cults. Wont even bother to give it a second thought

While believer would continue to use these meme. Then it will also remain less likely , that government would ever step in and choose to intervene

Believer should think about that. Consider the implication

Watch through this whole video. Challenge yourselves . As you watch through. Perhaps even stop the video from time to time. So as to spend a few moments to stop and fully ponder over whats being said, before moving on

Cult members very likely wont dare to allow themselves. They’ll usually prefer to remain ignorant. So much so, that they’ll even lose their conscience,along with any ability for compassion and empathy too. Cult member are world renown for this level of ignorance

But then what about non cult members. Can they actually allow themselves to feel challenged ?

Or are the two still fairly similar like peas of a pod

Below is the video what was being critique

As an atheist, i have no qualm about watching through any video’s made by believers. In fact i go out of my way to do so. Feel quite happy to continue to listen to different points of view

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New Details Emerge As Trump Fights To Quash Whistleblower Report

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Religion and narcissism

I feel fairly sure that there may be a strong link between religion and narcissism. For one thing, one aspect/trait of narcissism is disregard of others

Perhaps this will help explain why religious “liberty” , is not truly about liberty. Specially when there are so many cults what are able/allowed to exist. And when its obvious , that many times children are STILL allowed to be bullied into believing in a-God

Seem that religious people, specially the Christian within Christendom, are able to live with a huge disregard for feelings of other people

So long own lives are feeling ok by them, they couldnt really care less about how much any others are hurting

Whats more, to help appease any concience of what might otherwise begin to cause them to feel uneasy, they’ll make sure to focus their mind on any so called acts of charity work what they may be involved

Meanwhile, any act of true-charity, of what might otherwise care to take action, to help do something to finally see that religious liberty might finally be upheld for real

Is totally missing . Or at best , near to non existent

And being that religion make up such a large part of our societies population. Little wonder then, perhaps, that  Asperger/narcissism would also seem to be blooming?

Jesus was moonbeam for freedom. For regard of the fellow mans feeling

Meanwhile Christendom is Christian . I personally cant see so much of a link with attitude of Jesus, other than through pretense of being followers

Poor Jesus if he were to return to earth today. Imagine the shame. The disgust and depth of distaste that he’d have need to face. To feel like he’s expected to need to accept a-connection ,to religious Christian. Who may follow the word, sometimes to a T, and yet will quite happily dismiss the works  

I feel totally at ease to not include myself among Christian. I see it as a complete blessing that my pathway led me right away from Christian connection

If i were Christian , i’d  certainly be looking into the narcissist Christian connection.  Check out the narcissist traits and comparing them to modern Christian attitude . I hazard to guess that perhaps many Christian will at first make an attempt, and then chicken out

Catholicism and sex abuse attempt to cover up ?

Total disregard “of feelings of others”


This is one definite trait of narcissism

Even the craving for eternal life. Is also often been happening with

Total disregard of other people feelings

Even to the extent that they used to feel happy to burn people at the stake?

Once again. Absolutely void of any concern for other peoples feelings 

Narcissism if rife within religion

So called act of charity, with feeding and housing the poor etc?

Helps to mask it (the narcissism)

Serves to bury the believers conscience 

Just the same way like what is now also happening with Brethren rapid relief team too

Jesus wouldn’t even want to return to earth. Why would he. Imagine the embarrassment?

Christian have become so unloving , so wrapped up in their own craving for gaining eternal life for themselves

They happily disregard the feeling of all the other people

Who are allowed to suffer due to widespread religious tyranny (which is passed-off under the pretense of religious liberty)

We may have a broken world. But ,mostly it broken due to religious people. Specially due to high population of Christian, who seem to have such disregard for feelings of others


Its turned in plague proportion?



No conscience

No empathy

No compassion

For other peoples feelings

The prevailing attitude among believer is to often been,well i’m feeling quite ok myself , so then why the hell would-i care about anyone-else’s “feelings”, who isn’t been feeling ok?

Even Exclusive Brethren themselves are a product of this very same narcissist outlook on life, too

Christian charity acts of feeding and clothing the poor =


And serve to bury the Christians  conscience

Allows them to disregard the harm ,caused to so many others feelings, by religious tyranny , all of what still exist under the disguise of religious liberty

Jesus died for nothing?

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I’ve Never Met A Strong Person With An Easy Past

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If There Is No God, Murder Isn’t Wrong

Moral of killing people came down to opinion, even within the bible. Unless God didn’t exist ,“until after” the second testament?

To get around this complication, theist use cunning and simply propose that it was due to a different dispensation

At the end of the day murder was about opinion. Early believers OPINION were that it would be ok to stone their children to death, for daring to talk back to their parents

Was this always wrong opinion ?

Yes certainly was

Stoning children to death. Has never ever managed to teach any dead-children,any lesson . Because dead children will never ever be able learn lessons. As they are dead. Dead beings will never learn anything anymore, after the time they are dead

Saying human cannot produce objective type moral,without input from a-God. Is similar to saying that human cannot ever produce objective type road-code, or building safety-code, within input from a-God

Is nonsense to say


Moral-code, is developed just like what building-code or road safety-code also are

We are still able to take a “somewhat objective view” of our road-code, or building-code or moral-code as well, of what we develop.

We dont simply accept any choice. No. We can learn, knowledge, through trial and error. Through applying scientific study.And so on

This help to provide us with an element of objectivity

With moral-code, we can use social science, so as to help us gain a somewhat more objective conclusion  as well too

Likewise too, even with regard of stoning children to death. Via social science, we could soon conclude (IE: somewhat objectively) that

  1. Dead children wont even learn any lesson
  2. Parents of dead children who died through being stoned to death, very likely also may then continue to suffer from affect of PTSD. Meaning parents are ALSO being punished and continue to suffer, from mistakes made by their children. Proving the act to even be unjust


And so on

Theist are subconsciously setting out to overlook alternative option. The start off, from proposing that a-God must be required. Then proceed to put together “onlythe kind of proposal of what will require addition of a-God

Missing out (overlooking due to suppressed intuition) all-alternative that wont require addition of a-God

This act, sets the theist up to look silly (IE:silly science)

Moral relativism OBVIOUSLY exists.Reason being that moral relativism even best explains the reason for “moral-change” of what we do observe had happened between times of first and second testament, within the bible

Moral relativism = best most simply straight forward, common sense, explanation


And yet, believers are very keen to overlook this. Keen to add a-God into the mix

The situation is more easily explained, through considering “moral relativism” as a common-sense explanation, and without need of “addition of a-God” (IE: unnecessarily adding extra layer of complication) into the mix of things (Occam’s razor)

Why do believers need to insist on adding extra layer of complication?


Even Exclusive Brethren are guilty of

Insisting on adding extra layer of complication?

“Rather than accept” that James Taylor Jr  was a drunk and immoral person

Brethren will

insist on adding in”extra layer” of complication?


They insist on coming up with a “extra overly complicated” bullshit story, of it only being about “a ambush”

Never mind all the drunken foolishness. Multitude of rude crude disgusting mannerism on display




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The problem with Jordan Peterson

Jorden Peterson cant understand why “sociopath attitude” is irrational.

I feel that perhaps the problem is more with Jorden Peterson understanding of what “survival of the fittest” may involve in a evolutionary sense of survival of living beings

Survival of the fittest doesnt necessarily only evolve living beings that survive through “only taking care” of their own interest alone

If that was so, then perhaps the herds of buffalo would be living that “sociopath attitude” way themselves. Like say when coming under attack from predators, if it was dog eat dog “every buffalo for themselves” sociopath attitude style of survival, then buffalo wouldnt have need to bother  to “group together” , so as to make stand-together against predators attack

Would they?


The buffalo wouldn’t have been able to survive, unless they had adopted “social” style of survival.


Social style of existence, may perhaps have evolve from evolution of mirror neuron

Its not irrational

It can be a bonus for certain beings ability to survive. To have evolved mirror neuron. From evolution of mirror neuron, then “social style” living can perhaps then begin to evolve from it, as well too

Perhaps the problem is with  Jorden Peterson inability to picture the whole scheme of things. We would hope, that surely Jorden doesn’t think/propose ,that perhaps the buffalo might had read some holy book?

They didn’t read holy books. And yet their species do not survive “as sociopath style”

They could only survive via adopting social ways of survival

Perhaps Dostoyevsky’s book , possibly didn’t address the whole scheme of humanities ability to survive. Doesn’t bother to touch on the possibility that humanity (similar to buffalo) might have become extinct, themselves ,unless the human had evolved “to survive“socially  (IE: completely opposite way to sociopath style)

Human social way of living, has very little to do with supernatural so-called “transcendent” hype.

There is no need (Occam’s razor) to add the idea of “transcendence”

When it can “already be explained” without any  need of adding it in

It come down to humanities will to survive . We human, have been able to survive, in somewhat similar way to what herds of buffalo, also do

Even if there will be one or two buffalo born with the more sociopath  style mindset. It is counterproductive to survival of buffalo . As it would soon begin to place their species on a pathway set toward their species extinction

Which is “counterproductive” to these beings survival

Survival of fittest , doesn’t only include “dog eat dog”

It doesn’t (and yet, too often theists are inclined to completely overlook this thought/possibility)

Social style of survival, can also amount to being “survival of the fittest way” of a being survival,as a group

I feel, that perhaps what is hindering Jorden Peterson, from understanding this, could be that he is starting from a-point of

  1. Wanting to prove that transcendence must exist
  2.  so Jorden then proceed to also define way in which it must need to

So therefore this view , will naturally tend to totally overlook other possibility

He overlooks ways in which transcendence would not need to apply

Perhaps because his subconscious attitude is ALREADY really not even one bit interested in even considering them?

This seem to be bad approach. An approach pretty much predestined to come to incorrect conclusion

Seem to me that theism might even help to stunt intuition. Meditation can help to quieten the mind. etc

Little wonder then, that cult members wont think to escape cults. Even although their own-personality are been evolving to become narcissistic in nature . Been beginning to busily suppress personality of compassion and empathy


This will require that intuition will also need to be supressed as well too

I propose, that perhaps theism is been one main drive in promotion of narrow-mindedness 

Narrow mindedness is become rife within our world. Narrow mindedness is at the base of environmental destruction. Pollution . Overpopulation . Depletion of world resources . Mistakes that led to wars. Silly narrow minded mistake that ultimately had dumps situated close to water ways, which are now being compromised due to floods and rising water levels. And so on

I propose that theism might have been one of the main drivers, within our societies, in dumbing down human beings minds. In helping to suppress human ability to exercise their intuition

They even suppressed human ability to use their own intuition,so far as to burn human at the stake ,upon being accused of heresy




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How moral are Christian?

This is a question i think about. Are Christian moral minded people?

I notice, how often it will be ex eb Christian, who’ll be the ones quickly wanting to turn a blind eye to the Brethren rapid relief team hypocrisy

They’ll, forget about the Brethren past doing of ruining families. Covering up sex abuses. Allowing their own family to commit suicide, due to narcissist hard heartedness  

Forget about that

See how they are providing firemen meals, who fight fires

Make me stop and wonder, how prevalent is this attitude been, within Christendom

I wonder how many Christian, had noticed how the Catholic church, had been conspiring to cover up sex abuses. For years. Refusing to admit to it. Even prolonging justice, until after some of the victim had already died

I wonder how many Christian within Christendom, might saying, forget about the sex abuses, look at how much charity work what the Catholic church is involved in

How many would?

I beginning to figure chances are there would have been plenty

Little wonder then too,that the evil of cults, still exists

Christian are not moral minded. Thing is, they will even happily live with the lie of religious “liberty

I suspect that “perhaps narcissismis rife within Christendom

Narcissism = no conscience = no compassion or empathy

Chances are, if Jesus were attending to the money changers (Matthew 21:12-17)

Christian would say, never mind that the money changers are ripping people off. Never mind that. “Look at the way” they are still seen to be helping to promote religion 

Fuck all conscience . Never mind those small detail

Just so long as things can still be made to “look good”

Even after they burned folk at the stake. Chances are, Christian within Christendom, would have only focused instead on the homeless being homed. The hungry being fed

Because its always all about the cunning-art of looking fine and dandy

They keep on burying the bad bits . Out of sight out of mind

Machine moves on. No justice required. They willingly wager justice on idea of an eternity

And yet nobody can prove an eternity even exist

You wont see them wager justice (for theft or murderer or abortion) on idea of an eternity. No way. They’ll then demand prompt justice need to be served right now (maybe demand death penalty.Christian can even be just as quick, to sometimes suddenly want to do away with, their own former idea of waiting “for God to judge”)

How truly moral minded are Christian within Christendom?

Seems that their idea of morality can often act rather like a chameleon

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Struggle Made Me Stronger

Our struggles can make us stronger. And wiser. Wiser due to opening our own eyes, to reality within our world. Helping us to see reason for why, the idea of us “not” taking responsibility , to act ourselves, is not ever an option. Not one worthwhile anyway.Certainly not any long term answer

The idea of us doing absolutely nothing, to help fix social problem.Is not an option

Because, humanity is interconnected. Always remains way more interconnected than what we imagine There is no way of us ever escaping that fact

Even traditional religion cannot serve to help us escape this reality.

Its been a blessing ,to have struggled, and through this way, to have learned

Everyone of us can choose a role ourselves, so to help act to try to begin to do something. No matter how big or small, our own role may be. So as to begin to work “together” on, a remedy

Chances are that perhaps its never to late

The struggle in itself ,is not ever a blessing

Its not

But the knowledge of what we gain through struggling in our own life ourselves, is a true blessing. And even although sometimes we will have failed to be able to see as being one

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