PAUL’S EPISTLES

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“( ‘if Paul were here today’ he would probably use SKYPE and E mail and not lose any letters or speculate on who wrote them )”

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1141&start=10

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And yet basically the whole Christian faith is built upon speculation.

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Fisherman doesn’t seem to mind it one bit,to be busily speculating that whats been recorded within the bible, is true

He don’t seem to mind it one-bit

Most likely doesn’t even occur to Fisherman that he happen to be doing exactly the same thing that he then also then goes ahead and try’s to warn’s other against doing

That’s how utterly stupid this whole senseless situation is.People have been burned at the stake.Have been put to death having been accused and convicted of heresy.Whole family lives have been laid to waste through shunning and excommunication in separation.Jesus suffering on the cross pales in comparison if it were to be compared to the amount of collateral suffering that so-many have continually been forced to need to endure thereafter due to Jesus and this Christian faith that rest so heavily on huge speculation

I hazard to guess, that if Jesus were here on earth today, that in fact he might want to nail all the Christian lips to the cross

Any kind of God that would want to stand by and do nothing, while so many were being forced to continually suffer in the name of faith belief.Isn’t worth worshiping any more than what someone like Kim Jung-Un would be

 

This God would need to be no less than a evil monster

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 Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:41 pm 

“In the absence of any evidence otherwise it is also reasonable to conclude”

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1141

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Theist (worldwide) are well known to be prone to lie.To tell fibs.To be inclined to make false promises.There word more often than not, isn’t even worth the value of the cost of the paper that its been written on This is a most common trait among folks of faith

I shall never again be stupid enough to dare to trust the word of any believer. I have learned this lesson the hard way

So knowing this .Then why ? should i have any good reason, to dare to think that the word of theist of old-times might have been likely to have been any more honest than what evidence suggest theist are known to be like today

Generally these people are most untrustworthy

So

“In the absence of any evidence otherwise it is also reasonable to conclude”

That theist of old-time were just as likely to also be liars too

This is the most safest bet. Meanwhile so many will still continue to suffer due to these theist whom help to promote lies

They all die thinking that they have been so jolly wonderful. Both the Christian and likewise even the Islamic car bomber as well too

If God is love. Then why is there such a need for this nasty situation that stems from belief in this God

If God is love.There should be little need for religion

God is built upon nastiness of the most highest degree .

God is envisaged to be like some Kim Jung-Un figure.Someone who would be likely to be unhappy,unless he can be continually bathed and smothered in worship and loads of toe-suckery .

God (much like Kim Jung-Un)also  dont mind how many humans will need to suffer badly,just so that he can still get his daily fix of self-worship

God is the ultimate idol

If God can live with the knowledge of knowing how this has been allowed to occur in his name .

Then why? would anyone even wish to worship a being such as this

Due to fear.

The fearful thoughts that can drive a gutless feeble minded person to want to try and do anything possible, so as to save their own skin

 

The amount of suffering that has constantly occurred in Gods-name . There is no greater evil than this

 

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Bible is one of the wisest books around

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Actually, the Bible is one of the wisest books around if you make effort and aren’t literal.

How is e teaching of Jesus spurious? What is so bad about loving one another, visiting prisoners, caring for the sick, turning the other cheek etc?

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1130&start=10

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The bible sure contains some wise philosophy. However the bible also contains a number of lies .And some philosophy that perhaps could be considered pretty bad philosophy too

Is it? a wise thing, to bother to try to uphold blatant lies, and dubious philosophy.While? also suggesting it to have been inspired by God (thinking about where this could lead)

Bullshitting about talking snakes,donkeys and burning bushes and so on.Suggesting someone might have cast out demons, into a herd of pigs and so on.Suggesting people had been able to have raised other people from the dead.Making suggestion that without-doubt, God existed and that one evidence of this was that prayers would be answered,even though science has been able to have proved these kind of claims to obviously be complete bullshit (if it were not complete bullshit,then maybe by now theist might have been put in-charge of the job of curing peoples health issues) .

The bible contains some great philosophy. But its hard to think the bible is so-wise when considering the amount of bullshit also contained within it

It seems (to me) specially unwise to tell such blatant lies. Specially in a book that folks are also intent on suggesting was inspired by God

How stupid ? was that

Its hard to think of anything more unwise than that. Consider the amount of harm that it has also helped cause, harm that still continue causing harm to some people even still these days too

The questioner seem to be under the impression that before Jesus arrived , people might not have loved one another . Seem to be under the impression that before Jesus arrived on the scene, there was nobody who ever even bothered to care about anyone in jail, nobody who cared about anyone who was sick, nobody who had ever decided to just turn the other cheek

I dont believe this .The fact is that empathy has been one human-trait that has long been one driving force within human evolution. Empathy trait helps to make the human race fittest for survival

This is reality

Theist try thinking of human evolution as being like a “every man/women for themselves” type of situation . Theist have been indoctrinated to believe that without Jesus ,then human wouldn’t have any other reason to care about other people

This is because theists have been misinformed . The information they were fed with, sometimes from their birth, has been inaccurate information

 

Sadly the Questioner has let his own bias Christian-view get the better of him

Jesus was a pretty decent fellow.Somewhat specially so too considering the general situations existing back in those ancient times.No doubt about that

However it seems to me that Jesus was still human.Jesus wasn’t perfect

For instance. Consider this verse here

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Mark 7:24-37King James Version (KJV)

24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid.

25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:

26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.

27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.

28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.

29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.

30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

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Is ? Jesus being racialist and/or sexist . Should ? any-humans be looked-upon as if they are being compared to dogs

If so . Then was ? that wise . Specially when we also consider how racism and sexism has continued with still remaining a bit of a problem even still unto today

Christian apologist talk about making an effort to not take the bible literally

Seem to me that what they may really be saying is more like , “remember to also be prepared to turn a blind eye” to certain things

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The world would be a much better and a far happier place if we could just abandon religion altogether. Human progress will continue to be held back until this happens in my view.

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1130

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I agree. I hazard a guess that Jesus might be likely to also agree. I hazard a guess that Jesus might even be mighty highly unimpressed with the way that people have chosen to idolize his life

Think about the amount of collateral harm that this has helped to cause.Think about how many humans were burned at the stake.How many humans were tortured so as to force them to believe certain faith beliefs

We can only hope (for Jesus sake) that Jesus (being dead)  is also totally unaware of the amount of disgusting hurt and harm that has been allowed to continually amount , in the name of Jesus

Jesus suffered but a few days of his life.Evidently, in only a matter of days he was raised from the dead

This pales in comparison to the “huge amount of collateral suffering”, that faith in Jesus-as-god has helped to continually cause so many people ever since then

jesus-wept

 

So many peoples whole lives have been wasted and lost. Due to the idolization of God

This is totally unwise 

 

 

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Salvation

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Why, and from what, do we need to be saved?

 

in the very early days of Christianity. They needed salvation in a very real way from the control of Rome and from their strict cultural religious systems.

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1130

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These days we now need saving in an extremely real way from unregulated religion.

Go figure !!

There most likely isn’t any kind of eternity.The life we live on earth most likely is also the only chance we ever get to live and enjoy life

That didn’t stop religious folk from wasting our lives as a wager on the idea of an eternity (No way.Just the same as any other gambler, the religious gamblers they also don’t give a damn about who else might be getting really harmed by their gambling addictions.The selfish bastards they just couldn’t “care less”.Busy with feeling all piously wonderful about themselves too,to boot,all the while that they are at-it)

“Why, and from what, do we need to be saved?”

We need saving from God. Need to find salvation from this faith belief

jesus-wept

 

 

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In the beginning

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start out with NOTHING ,absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING

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The only thing that makes any sense to me ,that you can start out with NOTHING ,absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING ,is that there has to be some supernatural force OUTSIDE the created sphere that initiated the whole process…and that’s as close as I can get my head around it

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1120

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No wonder theists remain so lost. Mostly they only ever hear all the stuff they learned, being discussed within the four walls of their churches religious echo-chambers

Scientist dont even say they know for sure that there was “absolutely NOTHING”

Poor Fisherman, he’s still busy helping to spread misinformation.Meanwhile he likes to pretend that he is someone who’s interested in facts

He can often be seen busily suggesting that the exclusive brethren might learn to look at the facts . Learn to get their facts right . Learn to educate their exclusive brethren children with the factual truth. Like in regards to James Taylor jr, and Aberdeen incident , and so on

 

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 (Fisherman : “absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING”)

 

Fisherman keeps banging-on about this idea how there was “absolutely NOTHING” before the big bang. Little doubt that Fisherman is busily spreading this kind of misinformation among children he know’s too

Fisherman might do well to try and get the facts . Does he? really think scientists can even have some way to see back past the big bang

Perhaps theists like Fisherman might do well to think a little more about this.

If scientist cannot see back past the big bang.If in fact scientists can only see back as far as the first few moments after the big bang Then how? the hell could they even know, for sure, so as to be able to say there was nothing, “absolutely NOTHING” before the bang

They cannot. Its impossible (as yet anyway) . Use of a little common sense should soon enough help anyone to be able to figure out why (perhaps unless they are theists,some of whom don’t often seem to bother with using any)

And so therefore scientists whom are interested in fact’s, also wont ever say that they know this for sure

This is just misinformation . Information that theist have taken out of context  (sometime so as to serve their own agenda)

Scientist do have a few ideas (theory’s) in mind.

For one instance, Stephen Hawking  has had this to say:

Since events before the Big Bang have no observational consequences, one may as well cut them out of the theory, and say that time began at the Big Bang. Events before the Big Bang, are simply not defined, because there’s no way one could measure what happened at them.

and then later on in his essay he says this

It seems that Quantum theory, on the other hand, can predict how the universe will begin. Quantum theory introduces a new idea, that of imaginary time. Imaginary time may sound like science fiction, and it has been brought into Doctor Who. But nevertheless, it is a genuine scientific concept. One can picture it in the following way. One can think of ordinary, real, time as a horizontal line. On the left, one has the past, and on the right, the future. But there’s another kind of time in the vertical direction. This is called imaginary time, because it is not the kind of time we normally experience. But in a sense, it is just as real, as what we call real time.

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

 

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So here we see even Stephen Hawking say before the big bang cannot be observed. Therefore it follow,that scientists also cannot know for sure if in fact there was absolutely nothing

To say they did, is due to theists ignorance at best.And almost borders-on willful deceitfulness too (because this information is available.If only theists would care to take enough time to go looking for it)

Theist whom propagate this idea (specially among children) are therefore helping to spread misinformation.

They are very much like exclusive brethren whom choose to stay ignorant of the facts about James Taylor jr and Aberdeen too (as enough of this kind of factual information is also readily available as well,however most exclusive brethren dont care to go looking for it)

disgrace unto Christianity

Its far too soon, (as yet anyways), for us to be able to say we know for sure, how this universe (we live in) might have came about . In future ,we might be able to figure some more things out about that

Here is another idea (theory) that some scientists are now considering as well too

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(Phys.org) —The universe may have existed forever, according to a new model that applies quantum correction terms to complement Einstein’s theory of general relativity. The model may also account for dark matter and dark energy, resolving multiple problems at once.

Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2015-02-big-quantum-equation-universe.html#jCp

 

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Seems to me , Fisherman seem to actively display this strange phenomena of having “absolutely NOTHING and end up with SOMETHING”

As it seem he have “absolutely no idea” of what the scientists actually said. However Fisherman can still seem to come up with “something out of this nothing” (some weird idea’s of his own, that still seem to remain eternally-cemented within his head)

 

If he make demand that exclusive brethren should care to consider the facts.

Then maybe? he might do-well to also care to consider taking his own advice as well too

 

Fisherman had also had this to say too, at the end of that same comment he made on wikipeebia

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The heavens declare the glory of God’ as the ancients concluded on seeing the night sky in the desert on cold clear night ,probably sitting around a fire of dried camel dung

http://wikipeebia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1120

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Sure . And the ancients evidently had also concluded too, that burning-bushes, snakes and donkeys can talk .

This is how easily-led the minds of these ancient folk were

Just because ancient folk might have believed something .Back in times long ago,times when depth of peoples ignorance was obviously far-easier for certain people to be-able to exploit.Times so long ago, when people were still trying to even figure out if in fact God’s were the force behind all kind of phenomena they experienced and tried to figure-out, like earthquake,tsunami,lightning-bolts and tornado and so on

Is not necessarily good enough reason that we also should still continue to do today as well too

 

 

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Is that In The Bible

Is That in the Bible?

Exploring the Judeo-Christian Scriptures

 

https://isthatinthebible.wordpress.com/

 

Clicking-on either of the two above links, will lead you off to an excellent website run by Paul Davidson (professional Japanese-English translator living and working in Japan),and biblical studies are a personal interest of his

Some of this website information is just “so interesting” to read.Its extremely “thought provoking” if you know what i mean.And so i read through his website, and read what he and others there have to say there in comments that follow, then i also start to see exactly how he (Paul Davidson) can say how he see’s it as being personally interesting unto himself too

I realize how deciphering the bible (and most likely all other holy type books too) need to be done as if someone is trying to become like a “forensic detective” of some kind

That can obviously be an interesting job.You need to think intuitively

No sense in relying on other people scholarly work.So “education” wont necessarily be of any great use.There might be no school book available that you can read so as to learn the answers. For indeed all the scholars of the past, might all have still missed something

This is why education don’t necessarily = enlightenment too . Some people can even become highly educated folk, and yet still lack an ability to be able to think intuitively

Education, is not necessarily equal to intelligence

They may have “learned” how to pass exams all their exams. No sweat. No worries.The answers they needed, were all readily available to read-up.They learned to pass exams. Learned how to be able, to remember what other people had already found-out for them

However. The things that have not yet been found out.That will indeed require intelligence. Requires use of a persons own intuition

You cannot buy it. You first need to want-it. Perhaps you have to “kind of” choose to exercise your own mind, by becoming less of a follower, and a general “try to please other folk all the time” toe-sucker type person.And in that sense, perhaps you may even need to be prepared to put yourself on the line.As sometimes there may be people whom wont like what you decide to think, do or say

But yet if any of your ideas are any good.Then there is a high chance that you should also be likely to able to argue for valid reason why it’s good too

Go check Paul Davidson website out.I dare you to.I dare you to allow yourself to exercise your own mind a little as well. Allow yourself to be pushed to try to think more like a detective might do

What the problem ? … You too scared ? … To used to living your life-like a flock of sheep also tend to do . Too used to finding yourself a easy quiet place that feel safe somewhere within the middle of the flock. And you just don’t bother to look or think for yourself too much, you just trying and listen for the sound of the other sheep’s hooves as they hit the ground if your-flock ever decide it feel time to just up and run.

In effect you also still laying yourself on the line anyway. Cause by what you are doing, you are trusting that hopefully the other sheep might be all still staying aware and looking and thinking

For you ! (so you wont need to bother)

But yet, if they also decided to just take the easy road too. And they are also busy nodding-off in a state of complacency like a bunch of bloody great muppet’s. Then you might actually also be deep up shit creek instead too

Just when you were hoping like hell that you were safe and sound. But you have gambled.You gambled that the-other folk would have already done all of your own home-work , for you

sheep

Too bad for you then. Because

Our society are full of a little too many people acting too much like sheep http://truedemocracyparty.net/2013/07/rise-of-the-american-sheeple-10-signs-youre-a-sheeple/

How the hell else? do some things be able to get so stupidly bad sometimes.Manage to get so far out of hand.Even in cult situation, such as this “text-book” particular instance here http://www.discourses.org.uk/History/TheAberdeenIncident.pdf

If enough people? would have all been doing enough of their own home work for themselves

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But too many humans don’t care to bother.They feel it just takes-up far to much of their-own energy to need to do so

They feel lazy. They rather rely on hoping someone else had did it all for them too

Society has become so much like sheep. We even feel a need to also wear same-clothing that we feel looks kind of familiar .Familiar to our flock.Some cult dick-whackers are some of the worst at looking really really kinda sheep-like

Anyway over on Paul Davidson’s website, the latest biblical interest they are looking into (biblical detective work) is

The Story of Ezer and Elead (and What It Means for the Exodus)

 

“the tale of two cattle-rustling brothers from Ephraim”

 

Go there and read along. Even try exercising your own mind yourself, and then if you feel like you can manage to muster enough guts to do so. Try making a comment or two yourself too . To see how you measure up (and if you find-out you feel can’t. Maybe its best that you at least would start asking yourself some question in regards to why that might be that way.)

 

Time for you exclusive brethren to find-out if your own Exclusive brethren ideas can still hold-water within the big-tent . Find out if your ideas are based on good ground, or just based on loads of cult rubbish and “wool blind sheep” shit

You think you have enough guts ? . Guts enough? to read through at least a few website post’s that Paul Davidson wrote

Bet most of you wont bother. For you are like sheep.You live like sheep.Act like sheep.You even feel afraid too unless you remain always running-alongside of some other-sheep of your flock blindly

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Do they feel remorse?

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They are about as remorseful, as what a dog is also like. A dog that decide to just shit in the pavement in the street, right there in front of everyone else, after you just cared-enough to do you best and kindly take it for a walk

Religion seem too often a little bit akin to someone having a lobotomy ,without need of any form of actual surgery

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The picture above.Could easily be taken as looking rather similar to  memories of what i also remember of some theists standing and busily praying in church.

Both images (the one above and the ones still etched into my memory)seem to  have much the same vacant type look

How can someone? really be expected to still be able to feel honest remorse.If they have been rendered brain-dead via their “out of control” faith

Back in the year 2010, i had first talked to a first cousin on mine, on the phone.I spoke to this cousin (whom remains within the exclusive brethren still.You know the group of “Christian believers” whom in more recent years have now been trying to pose as Plymouth brethren ,so as to try and escape from some of their bad exclusive brethren legacy)

I told him of the sexual abuse that i had experienced.I gave him the name of the abuser involved.Mentioned the name of the local priest with whom i had first reported the sexual abuse to.

Then when he then replied to me by email.He said that he had approached someone in the locality where our brethren meeting was,so as to have them look into it.So as to see how this case of sexual abuse was handled .

He then wrote to say that he was  sympathetic with the trauma i had experienced in my life . (trauma that in my mind, not only should include my own experience of more than one aspect of sexual abuse, but also the trauma of enforced excommunication of members of my own family,as well as enforced excommunication of some of our cousins as well too.Along with the experience of seeing a brother of mine looking so thin ,that he were in fact close to death.So close in fact, that it was also this brother’s own doctor who in the end was forced to ask the brethren to please accept our brother back into fellowship to be reunited with his wife and children,to save him from dying of starvation and heartbreak.And so much more other situations of trauma, that it’s just far too much for me to even care to think of again so as tell you readers about everything right now)

He suggested that he himself had experienced being unwell in his own mind too.Suggesting to me that Satan takes advantage of this.Telling me that what had got him through this

“was my simple link with Jesus as Saviour, and I am sure He can help you.”

He went on to say

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I am not talking about “coming back”, but a real experience with Christ that gives a peace and settlement beyond what we would have thought possible.

I would like to talk to you about this and also will get back to you about what you raised as soon as possible.

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As if ? im going to be so likely to still be able to even trust any member of the exclusive brethren so-quickly again (including members of my own flesh and blood) , after having also already personally experience the utter disgraceful evil sham that the so called “brethren review” obviously was (no need to rely only on my account, as there are also so many other ex eb too, whom can also help verify to this fact)

From then on. Emails (back and forth) continued between the two of us for awhile.

 

So (by email) i  basically told him that i just wasn’t too keen to drop my guard once again and freely put trust in any exclusive brethren .Mentioning that i hoped he wouldn’t take this as if it were meant as a personal insult . It was more to do with being once hurt badly, then twice-shy

Pointing out how i was now naturally feeling pretty damn wary of contact with any brethren members

I relayed to this cousin how traumatic it had all been for me, to be forced to experience the freely flowing tears of my own mother, when we were shut-up (stopped from attending church and also from ability of having any contact with any members of the brethren. ) and were being visited by two priest whom were involved in priestly visits that were supposedly designed to get us right with God (but to-me had in effect felt much like i were personally experiencing the same type of Gestapo-like visits like what many Jews were forced to need to try to be living with)

In the end i decided i would need to leave.To save my mother from tears that i somehow felt guilty of causing (due to anger i felt,because i had not received any form of professional counselling in regards to the sexual abuse). There we were (me and mum) at a time when it was during the mid term school holiday break. Both of us shut-up and separated from having contact with brethren fellowship, and along with also not being supposed to be having contact with so called worldly folk either (non members of exclusive brethren) I’m 15 and a half years of age. I leave home and the brethren, by riding off on my push bike.Making contact with a excommunicated sister of mine whom i had been forced to not be able to see or have any contact with for around about 10 years

And yet i still don’t get to get any professional form of counseling. Because sex abuse is not really something that is ever that easy for anyone to discuss. (at first the brethren threaten to involve the police, so as to try and just have me returned to my mother.

Although they didn’t bother.Perhaps because they were just far too afraid? that i might then suddenly decide to blow the whistle 

Brethren blame? this trauma experienced, on Satan

I pointed all this out to this cousin, and also pointed out that in the exclusive brethren review , i had been forced to experience my brother (whom i loved) deciding to try and commit suicide, by swallowing a whole bottle of sleeping pills (the very same brother who i had previously seen near to death by starvation due to heartbreak and loneliness).He tried to commit suicide, because (unknown to me at the time) during the brethren review a brother in law of our had demanded that he would need to cease contact with me for awhile while they would try and manipulate me into agreeing to come back into exclusive brethren fellowship

I emailed my detailed account of these traumatic feelings to this exclusive brethren first cousin of mine at the date 27.1.2010 . However i still hadn’t had even had any reply back from him at all by 8. 2. 2010 . When i emailed him again, to just try and remind him that trauma isn’t something that goes away.Specially when trauma has been building over years.Reminding him that i chose to contact him , being that he was also one of the brethren whom had first chosen to make contact with me during the review, after 30 years of excommunication , suggesting that he too was also honestly interested in wanting to try and help make-amends for the bad way that we had been mistreated

Evidently brethren idea of honest remorse doesn’t go so far as to see any good reason to care to keep in touch and take action

On 11/02/2010 my cousin finally care to at least reply telling me that the problem is that the person whom he had contacted (to get to look into the case of sexual abuse) had evidently had to go away somewhere suddenly (why there was only one person whom could help ,who knows?, when in fact there were some others whom were also well aware.Even if they might have not all known the full exact details.This also included the abuser)

My cousin writes a few words trying to suggest to care (but  i cannot help but be thinking he is very likely also just bullshitting too)

I email him again on the 16.2.2010.Basically expressing my feelings that brethren idea of time is giving me the idea that brethren don’t consider time to be of any real essence in life 

I expressed feeling that i had been busily wishing that our father (who had died of cancer at a time when i was still aged under two year old) had of been able to be allowed to use a condom.As it might then have also helped to save us all from some heartbreak and sadness. I told him to try to read-up on some good information about effect of sexual abuse and P.T.S.D etc

I expressed how the sad situation had also had some detrimental effect on my own children’s right to be able to fully experience real happiness as well too. Pointing out that my children had no choice in the matter of who their grandparents were to be.That was down to luck of the draw

I pointed out that exclusive brethren and the act of constantly delaying matters,was seeming to be two things that all too often had seemed to go hand in hand together

I then emailed this cousin once again on 23/02/2010 . Asking him had he learned anything more,or did he even now know anything about how? long the delay was likely going to be. Told him that i had just gotten in touch with a group that is called victim support

On 26/02/2010 i then finally do hear something back from this cousin. He says

I have heard back from Auckland.  Enquiries have been made but the facts are obscure because of the passage of time and also ….. …… has died.

The stress you say that you are under is concerning.  If you think it would help to go to the Police it is your right to do so.  If counseling would help then you should get that.  I would definitely look at helping by paying for counseling – it is important for family to help each other out.

I hope this helps.  I would also consider any ideas you may have as to how I could assist you further. (priest’s name been removed by me)

So then on 27/02/2010 i again reply .Basically pointing out that it seems like brethren are intent on constantly bullshitting to me, to just claim that the  “facts are obscure”

I point out that our mum is still alive.I point out that my brother in law,whom himself had indeed personally verbally discussed  having pretty much full knowledge himself of the sex abuse, to-me during the brethren review.And even to the extent of discussing full-knowledge of exactly where-about one instance of sex abuse had actually taken place

I also pointed out that my brother (the one ive mentioned whom had tried committing suicide within the review) knew at least some details . Seeing that it was he whom had personally answered a phone call (that were made to his own house during the review) from the exact same priest whom had now died, which was a phone made to me purposely to offer me an apology. (these details can still be double checked,as phone records can most likely still always be found to help confirm it) My brother and his wife too, along with my brother in law and my sister as well were all sitting at the same table when the phone call from the priest was handed on to me

Beside all this. The abuser is still alive as well too.There is plenty of brethren and even ex brethren still alive too, whom should at least still be able to attest to the fact that the abuser was indeed put under assembly discipline and was himself shut-up right-away after the time i had first disclosed information of the sexual abuse, to our local priest (the one whom has now died).Not being accepted back into fellowship for awhile, until after they had first “served-time” under exclusive brethren method of in-house discipline

Besides this. I did in fact also happen to quickly mention a few slight details of my experience of sex abuse , to one ex exclusive brethren first cousin of mine.Even if it only occurred somewhat reluctantly If need be. i’m still pretty sure this cousins memory can also soon enough be added in as accumulative evidence 

So.Why have i not? (thus far) gone-ahead and chosen to just report this situation to the police

I might not be a believer anymore.I do now lack any ability to see good reason to believe in any God.

But that fact still dont also mean that im lacking in empathy . I happen to understand that in reality we are all victims of a form of deeply ingrained religious nastiness

Atheist don’t bother to pray.For indeed they see that there is in fact very little sense in doing so.However atheists still try to hold on any slim-hope they “hope” they can.Hoping that against all odds,there may still be by some “slim chance” that people might come to their senses.Some day

This is.We still long to be able to see our own flesh and blood differently.To not need to continue to admit that our own flesh and blood, could ever really have been so heartless 

If you still don’t like to believe me.See more information here in regard to who is more likely to feel compassion http://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/religionandgenerosity/

While my exclusive brethren first cousin whom i had emailed back and forth with, in regard to sex abuse, might lack in empathy. So much so, that the thoughtless ignorant brain-dead moron might also have been inclined to be able to think i’d ever be so-likely to feel happy to just have allowed that the police might just suddenly have arrived on my elderly mothers door step . With accusations of sex abuse.And then set-about pressing her for information

 

Its long overdue time the brethren were to wake up from their slumber.

Do they feel remorse?

Seems pretty unlikely

The brain dead throng have remained so foolishly constantly pissed out of their wee Brethren brains on the wine of Brethren-ism, for so bloody long now.

That it almost seems to me, like many of them might just as well have also actually had a lobotomy, through surgery.

They had the best chance they ever had had ,to finally put thing right, within the exclusive brethren review

But what? did they rather choose to do instead

They far rather to still follow along behind the unbroken line of folly and foolishness

http://www.plymouthbrethrenchristianchurch.org/pbcc-response_to_good_weekend_article_18-06-16/

Anytime brethren decide to start the ball rolling, and like to try suing me.The way they like throwing their weight around against some other folk

Might? be the best thing that could ever happen to me.As all i really need now, is to have something to really help motivate me

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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God Comes First Until It Comes To money

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Millionaire dairy farm family try to have son sectioned after he asks for share of family farm

A millionaire dairy farming couple is trying to prove their son is mentally unwell after he left their church and raised concerns about the family business.

Erin Bay says he has been cast out by his parents Stuart and Beth Bay after he left the Open Brethren church to become a Catholic.

He says his parents approached an Auckland psychiatrist without his knowledge on October 26, claiming their son was spiralling out of control.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/87041382/Millionaire-dairy-farm-family-try-to-have-son-sectioned-after-he-asks-for-share-of-family-farm

end quote  (my bold  “Open Brethren”)

 

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So much for genuine love and kindness . Religion and money seem? to matter far more

Generally our government’s still issue religious groups with charity status.The general idea being that region is “supposed to be” of “public” benefit

We wonder.Why? is it of any real public benefit,for our governments to still be helping to support greed and nastiness over genuine love and kindness

These religious groups are supposed to be a good example and thus to also “help” lead the way as if they are our societies moonbeams of moral guidance

Pffffttttt !

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Yeah right . And pigs can fly too

 

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Sanction Individuals Who Carry Out Or Order Religious Restrictions

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The new version will strengthen the existing law in several ways:

• It directs the president to sanction individuals who carry out or order religious restrictions.

• It instructs the U.S. ambassador-at-large for international religious freedom to report directly to the U.S. secretary of state.

• It requires all foreign service officers to be trained in the “strategic value of international religious freedom.”

Corbin said the new language in the IRFA could influence how U.S. courts regard atheists at home. All Americans are protected by the First Amendment, she said, but “there has always been controversy about the degree to which they (atheists) should be protected. This law makes clear they are to be protected to the same extent” as religious believers.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4732535-155/new-law-makes-history-extends-protections

end quote (my bold)

Finally right of atheist might soon begin to also protected.Like freedom of religious belief . Namely the freedom to also have the right to decide to not-believe in God

And such changes, will also in effect, end up being of benefit to a number of theist folks lives as well too.Because these changes are a step forward toward  honesty of freedom of religion,for all sorts of folk

Thus a new age of honesty is dawning.Soon enough. No longer will children be born unto aspects of religious tyranny which traditionally have chosen to use forceful coercion to intimidate harass pressure children choice of belief .Intimidation harassment and pressure too-often also being laced with oppressive-threats . Children forced to live lives and confirm-belief under threat of being excommunicated and even worse totally disowned as if they were already dead

This is the foundation of deceit that we were all forced to need to try living under . The most utterly disgusting form of deceitfulness,that were constantly dressed-up and fed unto the brainwashed brain-dead mind of many church goer

How could ? theist have even allowed themselves to constantly live with this most disgusting form of lie for so many generations

What ? is there that might help to explain this shameful phenomena

Well .A study from Berkeley university California made this suggestion

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Highly religious people are less motivated by compassion than are non-believers

 

http://news.berkeley.edu/2012/04/30/religionandgenerosity/

end quote

Theist tend to lack compassion . (in general)

And i can honestly say this suggestion definitely compare with the majority of my own experience of theist too.And also even compare with certain situations that i experience constantly occurring within the peeb net site as well. Peeb net was more or less just another formation of another cult of faith, a place where anyone whom didn’t agree to just bow-down to the big-wig, then you might get forced-out and excommunicated (even crazier that ex cult members that had ventured there, seemed still unaware of this situation)

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Theist seem to have become so well accustomed to faithfully believing that this kind of “tyranny is in fact freedom” . That few of them will then ever begin to be able to see through it

Quote :

In three experiments, social scientists found that compassion consistently drove less religious people to be more generous.

end quote (my bold)

Perhaps these study ? , might also helped to explain why it is that even the hierarchy of the Church of England had decided to warn their own bishop not to apologize too fully to sex abuse victims from within their own group

For they are a type of theist too. Thus they will lack compassion (because ? they are too-often far too caught up within scripture and religious-pomposity)

To make this fact seem even more obvious .It was also, quote :

American Humanist Association lobbied both Democrats and Republicans for inclusive language in HR 1150 that would recognize the rights of humanists, atheists and other nonreligious individuals, in addition to defending theistic religious minorities.

https://americanhumanist.org/featured/international-religious-freedom-bill-heads-president-includes-language-protect-humanists-nontheists/

end quote (my bold)

It was mainly humanist groups whom have lobbied hard for this change

 Not theist

Theist in general just don’t seem to have enough compassion to care to do so

Their lives are too-often been spent chained up unto religion and thus continually crawled right up the ass of Jesus.Huge hordes of toe-suckers their minds thus flooded and constantly overwhelmed and fully occupied by a constant form of idolization (gaze constantly fixed on ideas how to go about saving their own butt forever.Little wonder they can turn a blind eye to harm happening around about them). (Quite likely to the great shame of Jesus himself too. If Jesus were in fact still able to remain conscious of this.As a humanist i am inclined to hope that he isn’t able to remain conscious of the shame of this inhumanity that has been more or less upheld by theists)

As a humanist atheist. Im more than happy to spend the rest of my life being someone who is actively shunned and disliked by a number of these theist, if in fact it may also help change the future for other folk whom will be born after im long dead and gone

My biggest regret being this

If only there were more people, previously, whom cared and dared to also tread this path, long before i were to be born

 

At some stage. Someone need to be prepared to forgo their own happiness, in hope that doing so, it might also then help to secure far more happiness for so many more other folk

I do not expect, that any changes likely to be happening from now on, will ever serve to help to mend/fix sadness experienced within my own life. Its just far too late for that

 

 

 

 

 

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Stated Clearly

I think stated clearly is a pretty interesting youtube channel .The videos on display there, are produced in such a way that even lay-man (non professional folk) can tend to understand easier . Stated clearly channel tries to help overcome misinformation that exist in regard to aspects of science

Take a look at these two video below for instance

 

 

And there is more videos from this same channel here within these two links i have added below (some of which are even been produced in a few different languages as well too)

https://www.youtube.com/user/sciencestatedclearly

https://www.youtube.com/user/sciencestatedclearly/videos

But anyway, what about this question

Just say.If theist (in general) were to ever find out that they have been really wrong.And have been led to believe stuff, that has in-effect already severely hurt so many people, over a number generations past How? the hell will they ever be able to apologize enough.

Will? they also react kind of much like the exclusive brethren also tend to do. And perhaps just say, oh well, never-mind because that’s just a stroke of bad-luck for some folk 

Will everything (once again) just be white washed over and soon-enough simply be forgotten.Like what has pretty much already happened more than once or twice already . Such as like with the way that loads of people were once upon a time, in the past, accused of witch craft and/or sorcery, and were thus convicted and were burned at the stake or killed in some other kind of manner

Maybe its an ongoing? tradition

 

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